Gratitude and advice

emmanuel

Jedi Master
First of all I want to thank Laura and everybody for ...just everything. All the unselfish hard work witch You share with everybody, sharp, intelligent and clear mind, warm welcoming and encouraging thoughts, bravery and courage in this insane, heartless world ruled by psychopaths. I simply can't find enough words to really express all my gratitude for everything that You do.

My life is changing every day more and more when I read and think about all the enormous knowledge that You provide.

I don't wan't to be in first plane writing about myself but in this circumstances I really need Your advice and support. I am aware that everybody especially on this forum have a hard time in Your life and that my current problems are nothing more than that, current problems.

I find myself in very strange position. In October my "girlfriend" and me are going to Australia to live and work. I sell everything and I own now only my backpack, a little money, my shamanic drum and flute and my notebook. New beginning...

I have a lot of "new beginnings" in my life, but now is a little bit different, because I am not alone. And here ( so it seems ) lies my "problems". Because I spend more and more time with this forum and I read a lot of the material from Laura, C,'s, Gurdjieff, etc, I think about them and reflect a lot and I care about what is going on in this matrix , my girlfriend start to behave very strange. Nothing seems to please her any more. She don't wont to speak with me about what is happening in the world ( topic which we previously touched often - especially new age movements and mind manipulation because she was before very involved in "angel channeling" but she realized that is all nonsense and disinformation- she is "very sensitive" ). She said, that I don't love her any more, that I don't give her enough time and attention ( witch BTW is not true, because I still watch with here here's favorite serbian comedy series witch I enjoy to watch to, we go to the beach together, we laugh together, we make the meals together although is my diet very different than here's - she still eat a lot of gluten food, dairys which make me think that this also can be one of the factors that she is so fierce and sometimes "cold" - like different person which in my understanding now probably is. I speak with here about that but she don't wont to hear and investigate nothing about Paleo diet ) and today she want to manipulate me. She was going to the beach in Croatia ( we live at the moment closed to the croatian border ) and I also say that I would like to go. But because we don't have internet in the house I often go to the nearest pub to connect myself to wireless internet. That she use like an excuse, that maybe I really don't wont go and that I go just because of here ( this of course is not true, but just here interpretation, because I spend a lot of the time on this forum ). Than I said that I want to go not because of her wishes but because I want to go to the beach that we can spend some time together, now that we just waiting the papers to be aranged for Australia - we pay one trusted agency. And then she reveled that she wanna be alone, without me on the beach. I say that is no problem, but why she didn't say so in first place. She became suddenly very, very angry and she said, that we are no longer a couple for a long time and that we both know that, because she stayed with me just because she feel that she must contribute for my former money ( when we meet she was in big debts and I help her because that come very natural for me. We began to live together and I never ask what was her former life about. I was take her with everything she was and i never ask her anything - Ja, big mistake, I am aware now, but before I didn't questioning almost nothing. i take everything for granted without much thinking. With the help of this forum I began to question things and try to think with my own head ).

Now, we must continue to stick together because of the visa that we wait is on her, so I can then work full time job ( I have better earning because of my profession so we been advised to do so ).

I must also say, that I see this her behavior before, but I always find the apologies and explanations for myself, because I know her mother ( very disturbing person, a lot of psychopathic characteristics can be seen in her behavior ) and so I know all the sad story in my girlfriends life. The mother beat her often, she says to her that she was different than other children and that she is nothing and nobody and that there will be nothing good from her in life. She was also abused by mother relatives but the mother denise it. I know also my girlfriend character, a little bit impulsive but also tender, gentle ( or I want only to see her in her best way, I really am not sure now any more ) So we somehow always make it trough all the difficulties and storms in life. We have a business, we invest a lot of our energy, effort and money in the project but eventually all goes down and we find ourselves in debt. But we survive. We survive because we support each other, we love each other and we always talk a lot and laugh a lot together.

Phue...I must admit that is hard to me to express all this mixed feelings and thoughts in the words on this forum. Because of lack of the words I probably continuous repeat myself. Thank You for Your patience. :-[

To make the thing short ( I am all sweat ), I be very happy is someone give me some advice if I see the things clearly or i am missing something in this picture. Could that be, that i am on the wrong track or is really something going on because of different thinking and energy in me ( i can't find better word ) that she perceive and the controlling system in the matrix want to routed me and misleading me, that i don't inform myself more via this forum?
 
Emmanuel said:
To make the thing short ( I am all sweat ), I be very happy is someone give me some advice if I see the things clearly or i am missing something in this picture. Could that be, that i am on the wrong track or is really something going on because of different thinking and energy in me ( i can't find better word ) that she perceive and the controlling system in the matrix want to routed me and misleading me, that i don't inform myself more via this forum?

It seems she senses you are "growing" from all your forum activities, and she resents that and is trying to make you choose between the Forum and her. She doesn't want to face what's going on in the world, and doesn't want you to either, so she's complaining you don't spend enough time with her to get you away from the forum.

I'm sorry, but she sounds very childish and self-centered. Her acting out sounds very much like somebody who realizes their food source is about to be removed, or greatly lessened. Are you sure she really wants to go to Austraila? Maybe she realizes that you are moving in a different direction and life in Australia won't be all about you catering to her, so she's provoking you to try and either break up, or get you to go back to (sleep) the way you were before.
 
I have a lot of "new beginnings" in my life, but now is a little bit different, because I am not alone. And here ( so it seems ) lies my "problems". Because I spend more and more time with this forum and I read a lot of the material from Laura, C,'s, Gurdjieff, etc, I think about them and reflect a lot and I care about what is going on in this matrix , my girlfriend start to behave very strange. Nothing seems to please her any more. She don't wont to speak with me about what is happening in the world ( topic which we previously touched often - especially new age movements and mind manipulation because she was before very involved in "angel channeling" but she realized that is all nonsense and disinformation- she is "very sensitive" ). She said, that I don't love her any more, that I don't give her enough time and attention

Hi Emmanuel, it sounds like she is no longer at the same place as you on the learning curve and she is not interested in disguarding her illusions. It sounds like you are still very close with her at this time, but it's important to keep in mind that you cannot force her to wake up if she's not ready. As you further embark on your path of truth, it's possible that she may just become more resentful of your progress. All things to keep in mind to help you make the best decision in regard to your move.
 
It seems to me like she needs a lot of reassurance from you, or confirmation of your love/attention - and possibly seeks more attention through manipulation as you suggested.

As you say here :

And then she reveled that she wanna be alone, without me on the beach. I say that is no problem, but why she didn't say so in first place. She became suddenly very, very angry and she said, that we are no longer a couple for a long time

You are probably right where you think she is feeling your attention is divided. Regardless of whether you are paying her enough attention - her perception will not be as clear as yours as you learn and grow.

I think that a possible way to deal with these situations with an unsupportive partner is to be patient and supportive yourself, but not to your own detriment. Stand up for yourself, and try to understand that you are not at fault for the way in which she has chosen to see the world.


I hope your big move goes well, and that you enjoy the time you spend in Australia!


Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention, that it's possible your girlfriend seeks extra reassurance and attention due to the abuse she suffered in her childhood that you described. Feeling as though your mother didn't love you is certainly a traumatising experience.
 
Emmanuel said:
First of all I want to thank Laura and everybody for ...just everything. All the unselfish hard work witch You share with everybody, sharp, intelligent and clear mind, warm welcoming and encouraging thoughts, bravery and courage in this insane, heartless world ruled by psychopaths. I simply can't find enough words to really express all my gratitude for everything that You do.

My life is changing every day more and more when I read and think about all the enormous knowledge that You provide.

I don't wan't to be in first plane writing about myself but in this circumstances I really need Your advice and support. I am aware that everybody especially on this forum have a hard time in Your life and that my current problems are nothing more than that, current problems.
Thank You for Your patience.
I am simply curious, why did you capitalize all of those pronouns?
 
While it is important to consider that she is reacting to your growing awareness of the world around you and your efforts to further your personal development, it is also important to consider the feedback she is providing as potentially valid. Although she has suffered traumas in her childhood, she may be capable of detecting even the most subtle of changes in you. Is there a chance that you spend less quality time with her (watching television is not quality time, by the way, since there is little interaction)?

Since she is sensitive and damaged from her earlier life, any reduction in attention from you could be seen as rejection from you. This rejection was cause hurt and anger, which she seemed to have demonstrated. If this is the case, you are not only dealing with the original problem of not paying sufficient attention to her emotional needs, but you now have to deal with her pain and anger. It is important to realize that when someone is feeling wounded, their perceptions are more skewed than normal. So you may need to spend a lot of time listening to her expressing all of her fears, hurt and anger before you can have a more rational discussion.

There is also a possibility that she is trying to end the relationship out of fear of rejection, due to her fears that you would eventually leave her. In this case, she is trying to save herself from the pain by initiating the breakup before you do.

Have you been practicing external considering and strategic enclosure? If not, you may have instead overwhelmed her beyond her ability to synthesize and accept information, creating a lot of unnecessary fear and anguish in her. It might be a good idea to review both of those concepts.

Just some food for thought,

Gonzo
 
Jason (ocean59) said:
Emmanuel said:
First of all I want to thank Laura and everybody for ...just everything. All the unselfish hard work witch You share with everybody, sharp, intelligent and clear mind, warm welcoming and encouraging thoughts, bravery and courage in this insane, heartless world ruled by psychopaths. I simply can't find enough words to really express all my gratitude for everything that You do.

My life is changing every day more and more when I read and think about all the enormous knowledge that You provide.

I don't wan't to be in first plane writing about myself but in this circumstances I really need Your advice and support. I am aware that everybody especially on this forum have a hard time in Your life and that my current problems are nothing more than that, current problems.
Thank You for Your patience.
I am simply curious, why did you capitalize all of those pronouns?
Jason (ocean59), this is the way, how I show respect, because I feel very limited in finding right words and so it's difficult to me to express myself in english language, especially in writing. It's simply just that.
 
Mrs. Peel said:
Emmanuel said:
To make the thing short ( I am all sweat ), I be very happy is someone give me some advice if I see the things clearly or i am missing something in this picture. Could that be, that i am on the wrong track or is really something going on because of different thinking and energy in me ( i can't find better word ) that she perceive and the controlling system in the matrix want to routed me and misleading me, that i don't inform myself more via this forum?

It seems she senses you are "growing" from all your forum activities, and she resents that and is trying to make you choose between the Forum and her. She doesn't want to face what's going on in the world, and doesn't want you to either, so she's complaining you don't spend enough time with her to get you away from the forum.

I'm sorry, but she sounds very childish and self-centered. Her acting out sounds very much like somebody who realizes their food source is about to be removed, or greatly lessened. Are you sure she really wants to go to Austraila? Maybe she realizes that you are moving in a different direction and life in Australia won't be all about you catering to her, so she's provoking you to try and either break up, or get you to go back to (sleep) the way you were before.

Ja, I find her also to be more and more childish-stubborn and self-center how You mention it and that make me very sad. I also agree that she maybe realize that their food source is diminish, but what I am sure about is that she definitely wanna go to Australia because she somehow wants to escape from her relatives and have a fresh start without theirs influences. She speak often about Australia and how she want just the "simple life". What make me sad is the realization that she in this moment don't care what is happening on this planet and she think only in terms of work for money (survival ) and then enjoying life with this money.

I am not in the position any more to forget and ignore what is the reality in this third density. This knowledge and awareness is always with me and becomes stronger every day. I can enjoy the moment in life also, but I can't ignore any more the knowing that in this world is nothing is what is seems.

Thank You Mrs. Peel for Your explanation. Helped me a lot.

Mod edit: fixed quotes
 
mnmulchi said:
I have a lot of "new beginnings" in my life, but now is a little bit different, because I am not alone. And here ( so it seems ) lies my "problems". Because I spend more and more time with this forum and I read a lot of the material from Laura, C,'s, Gurdjieff, etc, I think about them and reflect a lot and I care about what is going on in this matrix , my girlfriend start to behave very strange. Nothing seems to please her any more. She don't wont to speak with me about what is happening in the world ( topic which we previously touched often - especially new age movements and mind manipulation because she was before very involved in "angel channeling" but she realized that is all nonsense and disinformation- she is "very sensitive" ). She said, that I don't love her any more, that I don't give her enough time and attention

Hi Emmanuel, it sounds like she is no longer at the same place as you on the learning curve and she is not interested in disguarding her illusions. It sounds like you are still very close with her at this time, but it's important to keep in mind that you cannot force her to wake up if she's not ready. As you further embark on your path of truth, it's possible that she may just become more resentful of your progress. All things to keep in mind to help you make the best decision in regard to your move.

Thank You for great advice mnmulchi. Especially the words "...you cannot force her to wake up if she's not ready." This is, oh, so true.
 
Soluna said:
It seems to me like she needs a lot of reassurance from you, or confirmation of your love/attention - and possibly seeks more attention through manipulation as you suggested.

As you say here :

And then she reveled that she wanna be alone, without me on the beach. I say that is no problem, but why she didn't say so in first place. She became suddenly very, very angry and she said, that we are no longer a couple for a long time

You are probably right where you think she is feeling your attention is divided. Regardless of whether you are paying her enough attention - her perception will not be as clear as yours as you learn and grow.

I think that a possible way to deal with these situations with an unsupportive partner is to be patient and supportive yourself, but not to your own detriment. Stand up for yourself, and try to understand that you are not at fault for the way in which she has chosen to see the world.


I hope your big move goes well, and that you enjoy the time you spend in Australia!




Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention, that it's possible your girlfriend seeks extra reassurance and attention due to the abuse she suffered in her childhood that you described. Feeling as though your mother didn't love you is certainly a traumatising experience.

Thank You for the best wishes and advices Soluna. I also think that her traumatic experiences in childhood influenced her behavior now. And I don't forget Your words about being patient and supportive to myself, but not to my detriment. Sometimes is hard for me to find the subtle line between her, her needs and me. Like You said, I need a lot of patience and understanding about my ( machine ) behavior to draw the line that is beneficial for both of us.
 
Gonzo said:
While it is important to consider that she is reacting to your growing awareness of the world around you and your efforts to further your personal development, it is also important to consider the feedback she is providing as potentially valid. Although she has suffered traumas in her childhood, she may be capable of detecting even the most subtle of changes in you. Is there a chance that you spend less quality time with her (watching television is not quality time, by the way, since there is little interaction)?

Since she is sensitive and damaged from her earlier life, any reduction in attention from you could be seen as rejection from you. This rejection was cause hurt and anger, which she seemed to have demonstrated. If this is the case, you are not only dealing with the original problem of not paying sufficient attention to her emotional needs, but you now have to deal with her pain and anger. It is important to realize that when someone is feeling wounded, their perceptions are more skewed than normal. So you may need to spend a lot of time listening to her expressing all of her fears, hurt and anger before you can have a more rational discussion.

There is also a possibility that she is trying to end the relationship out of fear of rejection, due to her fears that you would eventually leave her. In this case, she is trying to save herself from the pain by initiating the breakup before you do.

Have you been practicing external considering and strategic enclosure? If not, you may have instead overwhelmed her beyond her ability to synthesize and accept information, creating a lot of unnecessary fear and anguish in her. It might be a good idea to review both of those concepts.

Just some food for thought,

Gonzo

Gonzo, like always You make me re-think again and again about my interaction with the world in this case my girlfriend. I read Your post several times and I try to observe and see all angels possible.
I find the current situation now when I thought about Your words much more delicate and profound like before.
I give a lot of thoughts about my quality time spend with her and I realize now that I need some improvement and more effort given from my side for the healthy relationship.

I also think about Your consideration about practicing external considering and strategic enclosure, but I don't understand that well. Can You maybe provide some material to study this topic ?
 
The Cassiopedia (http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Main_Page) has an entry on external considering that might help: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/External_and_Internal_Considering

Strategic enclosure is here: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Strategic_enclosure

Also, you can search the forum for discussions on external and internal considering, as well as strategic enclosure. They are difficult but essential concepts to grasp and I still stuggle with them but the changes I have made have saved me and those around me from considerable difficulty and discomfort, not to mention how these practices have helped me identify certain related programs that were running.

Gonzo
 
Gonzo said:
The Cassiopedia (http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Main_Page) has an entry on external considering that might help: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/External_and_Internal_Considering

Strategic enclosure is here: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Strategic_enclosure

Also, you can search the forum for discussions on external and internal considering, as well as strategic enclosure. They are difficult but essential concepts to grasp and I still stuggle with them but the changes I have made have saved me and those around me from considerable difficulty and discomfort, not to mention how these practices have helped me identify certain related programs that were running.

Gonzo

Thank You, Gonzo. It helped me a lot.
 
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