Gurdjieff's demystifiers

[peterklok]

As i was searching for sites on Gurdjieff in order to form myself a plan for my project i came over some things that throw a more obscure light on Gurdjieff's ideas. These people seem either misunderstood or disappointed in the teaching and the groups that formed in America ( Alex Horn group mostly) and advertise a policy against sects, spiritual groups or schools that spread Gurdjieffian ideas among followers. What are your opinions on this subject?

_http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/06/
_http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?6,27083,65429

A light cannot be more obscure. Light is the opposite of obscure.
The Alex Horn groups and the Fellowship of Friends are not authentic Gurdjieff groups. They are cults.

The authentic Gurdjieff Work must be found in groups of a directe lineage from Gurdjieff himself. This means The Gurdjieff Foundation in the US and the Gurdjieff Society in Europe.

Proper research would have shown you this. The Encyclopedia Britanica, for example, links to the Society.

Here is the main link http://www.iagf.org/

Here are many more http://www.gurdjieff.org/foundation.htm

There is no point in wising off about the Work if you are not in it, and this means in the authentic groups.

I hope this can help you.

 

[Laura]

A light cannot be more obscure. Light is the opposite of obscure.

Perhaps you are not aware that this is an international forum and many members are not native English speakers and thus may sometimes not get the words exactly right.

The Alex Horn groups and the Fellowship of Friends are not authentic Gurdjieff groups. They are cults.

We get accused of being a cult a lot, and we do incorporate a lot of Gurdjieffian ideas in our own work though we've dramatically expanded it to include much of modern cognitive science (and all guided by a channeled source, no less!)

The authentic Gurdjieff Work must be found in groups of a directe lineage from Gurdjieff himself. This means The Gurdjieff Foundation in the US and the Gurdjieff Society in Europe.

Proper research would have shown you this. The Encyclopedia Britanica, for example, links to the Society.

Here is the main link http://www.iagf.org/

Here are many more http://www.gurdjieff.org/foundation.htm

There is no point in wising off about the Work if you are not in it, and this means in the authentic groups.

I hope this can help you.

Pretty sure of yourself, I think and not very externally considerate. And "authentic Gurdjieff groups" is kind of an oxymoron since Gurdjieff is dead and he already described what would happen after...

 

[anart]

Proper research would have shown you this. The Encyclopedia Britanica, for example, links to the Society.

Here is the main link http://www.iagf.org/

Here are many more http://www.gurdjieff.org/foundation.htm

There is no point in wising off about the Work if you are not in it, and this means in the authentic groups.

I hope this can help you.

Peterklok, please read this thread - in its entirety - Imitation Fourth Way Groups Started by Gurdjieff Rejects

You might want to deeply reconsider what you define as 'authentic Gurdjieff groups' - there aren't any at this point in time. Anyone who actually understands Gurdjieff's work would understand that - it could be no other way.

 

[Iron]

Curious thing that these "authentic" Gurdjieffian followers are very judgemental and eager to correct everyone from their "misconceptions" to the point of apparently entering other foruns to do so.

 

[Laura]

Curious thing that these "authentic" Gurdjieffian followers are very judgemental and eager to correct everyone from their "misconceptions" to the point of apparently entering other foruns to do so.

Well, maybe they just feel like they aren't getting "fed" properly and are spreading their wings and discovering that the Fourth Way is a living thing and once Gurdjieff died, it reappeared elsewhere...

 

[psychic_spy]

As i was searching for sites on Gurdjieff in order to form myself a plan for my project i came over some things that throw a more obscure light on Gurdjieff's ideas. These people seem either misunderstood or disappointed in the teaching and the groups that formed in America ( Alex Horn group mostly) and advertise a policy against sects, spiritual groups or schools that spread Gurdjieffian ideas among followers. What are your opinions on this subject?

_http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/06/
_http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?6,27083,65429

A light cannot be more obscure. Light is the opposite of obscure.

There is no point in wising off about the Work if you are not in it, and this means in the authentic groups.

Then how would you perceive moonlight as opposed to sunlight ? I guess i was using a proper meaning to what i was intenting to express although i'm not a native speaker. Thank you for the links..

And about wising off or wising up about the Work i just tought to bring this matter into public view because i had my own doubts about it and i'm still concerned about what can be an ''authentic'' Gurdjieffian Group. For the time being i incline to believe this forum is because here is the place were i heard for the first time about the Work and it seemed reasonable so far.
And taking into account that i intend to write my own work on Gurdjieff i have to do some reasearch and gather data ( for and against ) so that i can be able make discriminations. Now it occured to me , noticing the replays to my posts that i may have been superficial in my understanding of the Work or the way i put things .. Maybe i'm too young ( 24) and careless :P