Having double vision

[dugdeep]

So you've been eating nothing but butter and bone broth? No complete protein at all? I think this might explain why you're not feeling so good in general! Foxx, you need to be eating some kind of complete protein at every meal, unless this ketogenic diet is more miraculous than anyone suspects. Broth is an incomplete protein and butter has next to no protein at all. Remember that most people here are having 25g or so of protein per meal in the form of meat, eggs or fish. You should really be doing the same. Eating nothing but broth and butter is essentially fasting.

 

[Foxx]

So you've been eating nothing but butter and bone broth? No complete protein at all? I think this might explain why you're not feeling so good in general! Foxx, you need to be eating some kind of complete protein at every meal, unless this ketogenic diet is more miraculous than anyone suspects. Broth is an incomplete protein and butter has next to no protein at all. Remember that most people here are having 25g or so of protein per meal in the form of meat, eggs or fish. You should really be doing the same. Eating nothing but broth and butter is essentially fasting.

No, I've been eating enough protein (usually ground beef or protein from off the bones) with the broth.

 

[dugdeep]

So you've been eating nothing but butter and bone broth? No complete protein at all? I think this might explain why you're not feeling so good in general! Foxx, you need to be eating some kind of complete protein at every meal, unless this ketogenic diet is more miraculous than anyone suspects. Broth is an incomplete protein and butter has next to no protein at all. Remember that most people here are having 25g or so of protein per meal in the form of meat, eggs or fish. You should really be doing the same. Eating nothing but broth and butter is essentially fasting.

No, I've been eating enough protein (usually ground beef or protein from off the bones) with the broth.

Ah, OK. Sorry for the miunderstanding.

 

[anothermagyar]

[quote author=Foxx]As an update, I just got back from a doctors appointment and he didn't seem to know what the cause was. One thing I forgot to mention here but did mention in the doctor's office was that on September 15th or 16th I got hit really hard on the right side of my head with a log (went camping and while breaking firewood smacked myself upside the head), a little above my ear. It still hurts a little bit if I open my jaw a lot, but the swelling went down sometime ago. My symptoms probably started on the 5th or 6th of this month--is there much of a possibility that I incurred some type of damage that didn't show up until then? The doctor thought that it's possible that there was some internal bleeding from the injury and I have an MRI scheduled for tomorrow (he also asked if I had ever had surgery before...). Beyond that he didn't seem to have any idea what the cause could be.[/quote]

That's it! this explains why you have unequal pupils, dunno but looks like you've got a concussion.
You should rest and try not to do hard work for a while, get enough sleep. and your body heals itself.

So sorry to hear that Foxx and get well soon,
I guess the vision problem came from the hit in the had, not the lobster.
Just a thought.
Take care and avoid logs for a while!!!

 

[liffy]

My uncle had a concussion two years ago, and has had blurry and at times double vision, somewhat similar to what you describe.

He's going to some form of treatment which basically focuses on reestablishing the abilities of the brain and eyes to focus etc.

I don't know the name of the treatment but apparently it's a fairly new thing; maybe something to look into?

 

[Z...]

About 4-5 days ago I felt a little strange and my vision became a little harder to focus. The double vision seems to be from a misalignment with my eyes (rather than one or each eye seeing double) and is generally worse at farther distances and if I've had my eyes open for longer. I've had astigmatism for a very long time, but not worn glasses. I also have visual spins sometimes when trying to look far to the side--it feels like my eyes can't find the focus spot but keep searching, but I don't really feel like I have motion sickness.

I'm currently not sure if the strangeness (feels like some additional fatigue and a bit of difficulty balancing, but not excessive--I feel a little like I'm drunk, with way-off vision, but without drinking any alcohol in the last two years or so) is from the double vision or accompanying it. I was hoping that the problem would correct itself, but it hasn't. There's a correlation between eating some lobster (allegedly sourced from Maine) and the onset of the vision problems (so I'm wondering if it wasn't sourced from Maine--or even was--and I've been poisoned by something in the ocean), but I'm not sure if there's a causation effect (the lobster also didn't seem to agree with my digestion and I almost threw up a couple of nights ago after eating some). I was thinking that it could also be eye strain from the computer, but I've been using a computer for ever and have never had this happen at all and haven't really been using it more than average recently. My digestion seems to be also even more sensitive in the past few days and I skipped eating last night (had reflux at night despite not having eaten since breakfast--which interestingly stopped after sneezing a couple of times--then felt nauseous in bed which eventually passed) and this morning and wasn't really hungry. I ate today around 3:45PM (canned herring and butter) and feel mostly ok--I had a bit of reflux and took an HCL and magnesium citrate--but with my vision possibly the worst it's been yet.

Lobster does have a high copper content, but I don't think the effects of copper toxicity match up with my symptoms very well. Right now, it's persisted for long enough that I don't think it will go away on its own, which currently is leaving me with the question of whether to go see a doctor or go to an acupuncturist. Does anyone have any ideas based on this description what might be going on? I basically avoid doctors like the plague, but recognize that they're helpful at times (and some more than others, of course), but since I'm really not sure what could be causing this I'm not sure if it's worth going to one because I would rather not have a prescription--I want the problem fixed rather than having the symptoms masked. And, while I have insurance and can go to a place that will take my insurance (a family practice is the one I'm looking at now to save money and rule out basic things without the cost of a specialist), I obviously don't want to spend a bunch of money on a doctor or tests that end up not solving the problem. These are my concerns and why I haven't gone to a doctor already. A friend of mine mentioned her father once pulling a muscle in his eye and having symptoms similar to mine, which required wearing an eye patch for 6 months (maybe I'll be a pirate for half a year?), but I don't recall doing anything that I think would have caused that. I also haven't had any headaches (maybe a bit of pain from trying to live with double vision) or pain around my eyes.

I'm also on KD, have been weight lifting, and have been eating mostly bone broth lately, except the recent lobster excursion.

Thanks for any help! I'm planning on calling someone tomorrow morning--either an acupuncturist I was seeing about a month ago or a local doctor (or both, also depending on where I can get an appointment sooner), unless anyone has any better suggestions.

Hi Foxx,
Was the lobster alive when you prepared it. If it was frozen, was it cooked?
Apparently lobster if not boiled alive can cause some weird symptoms. I remember reading about it in school but I was unable to find some more data on the net now.


FWIW I havent eaten any lobster in a while and I am experiencing the same symptoms for some time now. I dont exactly suffer from double vision but I do have occasional glitches in my vision field and finding it sometimes difficult to focus. I also feel slight weakness in my limbs as well as just slight feeling off balance, not exactly dizziness but sort of like almost dizziness.
My main issue is the fatigue which is worse on certain days and better on other. I thought this was all because of low BP and I started drinking water with Himalayan salt which seems to help a bit but not completely.
Funny thing about it is if there is nothing to be done I will wallow in this state and start imagining all sorts of worst diseases but if something needs to be done, with super effort I will push myself and once I get going its ok, although everything seems to be gargantuan effort.
I also noticed that I am hypersensitive to sounds, not all the time but if I am immersed in my thoughts if there is sudden loud sound like car or something I feel it viscerally in my brain. This never use to happen to me before.
I did go to kineziologist who told me that I am about 100th person complaining about the same symptoms in last few months, and after working on me she was unable to find any serious issues.
Yesterday I went to acupuncturist and spent 1h with needles in my belly and legs connected to some sort of low current, cannot say I feel any difference. In fact I felt worse this morning.
There are days when after initial pushing I can do a lot in the gym but then there are days when I could fall asleep right there on the gym machines and I just give up. My sleep is mostly good, as soon as I am in the bed I fall asleep. Although perhaps I should maybe go earlier to bed as I sleep on average 6-7h. Sometimes if I can I have little siesta in the afternoon.

I've been postponing going on full ketogenic diet because of this but I have been on very low carb. I am only supplementing omega 3 ( 2000mg of DHA&EPA, Vitamin C, Zink, Selenium and vit E as well as magnesium occasionally)

I am planning to go for detailed blood screening ASAP.

If psyche is reading this perhaps she could recommend certain tests apart from the usual blood panel. I have an idea what to test for but perhaps she can think of something that can be tested in connection withe these symptoms. In the lowest moments I start thinking that this is the beginning of some nasty neurological disorder :(

 

[Z...]

In your case I think its very good thing that you are doing MRI especially after that whack on your head. Hopefully its not a blood clot.

 

[hiker]

I was thinking that it could also be eye strain from the computer, but I've been using a computer for ever and have never had this happen at all and haven't really been using it more than average recently.

The concussion and the other things you mentioned are probably contributing to the double vision, but I thought I’d mention the possibility of the accommodation strain of the eyes influencing the situation as well.

Copious amounts of close work can eventually pile up and cause the ciliary muscle to ”spasm”, with blurred vision, myopia, astigmatism, etc. as a result. Systemic symptoms can be a consequence too.

I stumbled across the subject some time ago, and posted about it here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25228.msg295582.html#msg295582

Hope you’ll start feeling better soon :)

 

[Lilou]

Which side of your head did you hit with the log, Foxx? Left or right?

I did a bit more research and did find that it is not impossible for symptoms to be delayed following a head injury, even weeks or months! It's called Post-Concussion Syndrome. Even though it has a name, there is not much in the way of treatment, except rest and time. Although, if it were me, I'd probably apply 50%DMSO to the area of my head that took the hit. (I love that stuff! and it tends to be my drug of choice.) It is not clear why some people have delayed symptoms after a head injury.

Hopefully you are starting to feel better. How long before you get your MRI results back? H.E. is right, it is good you had it done, as the symptoms could be from the hit. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Foxx]

No, I've been eating enough protein (usually ground beef or protein from off the bones) with the broth.

Sorry for my delayed update everyone. After I wrote this I realized that I was too dizzy and nauseous to be able to continue to use the computer and haven't picked it back up until now.

As a quick update, the hospitals (long story) didn't find anything on an MRI or CT scan and became convinced that I had a nutrient deficiency because my visual symptoms didn't have a clear neurological cause. They did some blood work and said my Folate levels were low (they seemed to describe it at one point as being a little low and then as being very low at a later point) and have given me Folic Acid and Thiamin, plus a multi-vitamin to take. I'm not convinced this is the issue at all, but they didn't know and I told them I eat a paleo diet (obviously way over their heads), so since that automatically makes me weird it must be fault

The other major problem I developed and still have is reduced sensation (low to moderate numbness, but not complete numbness) that's occurring from my ankles up my legs and the front of my torso. My vision, however, has significantly improved (though still far from 100%) and I'm not dizzy or nauseous anymore. I got some acupuncture from a different and, I think, much more skilled acupuncturist than the one I mentioned going to not too long ago and so that may be helping some (a lot?) as well. Though he's also a former neurologist from Russia and was convinced that it was neurological.

I'm really not exactly sure what the problem is, but I'll try the vitamins, beef and butter, probably some DMSO on my head, continue to rest, and possibly get some more acupuncture. I've got a follow up appointment with a neurologist in about a week.

Thanks again everyone for your insights and support! I'll update again when I have a clearer picture.

Which side of your head did you hit with the log, Foxx? Left or right?

I did a bit more research and did find that it is not impossible for symptoms to be delayed following a head injury, even weeks or months! It's called Post-Concussion Syndrome. Even though it has a name, there is not much in the way of treatment, except rest and time. Although, if it were me, I'd probably apply 50%DMSO to the area of my head that took the hit. (I love that stuff! and it tends to be my drug of choice.) It is not clear why some people have delayed symptoms after a head injury.

The hit was on the right side of my head, above my ear. Thanks for looking into it more! I'll very likely try the DMSO today or tomorrow.

 

[shellycheval]

H.E.

I did go to kineziologist who told me that I am about 100th person complaining about the same symptoms in last few months, and after working on me she was unable to find any serious issues.

This strikes me as an interesting "coincidence"?. Considering how far away you and the other 99+- experiencing the same symptoms, are from Foxx, I wonder if it isn't literally something in the air? Blown in from space? Beamed out from some technology? Just a thought--or 2 or 3.
shellycheval

 

[Z...]

Do try and supplement B-complex, especially B12 - best in sub-lingual drops form.
I started taking it a week ago and it has made significant difference.

 

[Guardian]

I might be way off base here, but your symptoms combined with the seafood made me think of ciguatera poisoning. I don't know much about it, but it comes from seafood and several of my friends got it back in the late 90's. They had symptoms very similar to yours, especially the vision and digestive issues.

You might want to ask your doctor to test for it?

 

[Guardian]

Do try and supplement B-complex, especially B12 - best in sub-lingual drops form.

I'd be careful with the B vitamins, maybe just take a little at first? I know some folks do great with it, but it makes me dizzy and gives me hot flashes worse than menopause.

 

[Lilou]

I might be way off base here, but your symptoms combined with the seafood made me think of ciguatera poisoning. I don't know much about it, but it comes from seafood and several of my friends got it back in the late 90's. They had symptoms very similar to yours, especially the vision and digestive issues.

You might want to ask your doctor to test for it?

Good grief! Yet another reason not to eat seafood. I have never heard of ciguatera poisoning, but from what I've read, the symptoms come on pretty quickly after ingesting the offending seafood. With the tingling in the feet, amongst other symptoms, probably a good idea to check for it. Treatment seems to be for symptoms, there's no magic bullet.

I think B complex is a good idea too. Hopefully you can get to the bottom of this soon. Glad to hear your MRI was normal.