Healing the fragmented self in the IFS therapeutic model

anart said:
I could certainly be completely misunderstanding you, but, if so - then it is because you cannot explain what you mean in a way that others easily understand.

Well, that's entirely possible. Heck, I got turned down by ehow.com to do paid article writing on do-it-yourself computer repair because the 'average person wouldn't be able to understand'; although, I've been building, repairing, upgrading and decontaminating them (for pay) since the mid 90's.

In person, I seem to be able to explain something quite well, because I can read body language well enough to tell what I can skim over and what needs expanding on.

Regarding my posts above, perhaps what I wrote would make more sense seen as approaching the Work from the point of view of your own personal neuro-linguistic (or psycho-linguistic) structures?

In such a case, a person will know where the heart and subjectivity is soon enough when he/she sees, up close and personal, what's been done to the mind. How it twists and distorts almost everything to fit it's own rote-learned, more comfortable point of view.

parallel had a nice way of demonstrating the idea of a high level abstract understanding of IFS though he doesn't realize that this is what I'm talking about, because he sees my explanation as a "compression theory":

parallel said:
IFS seems to be reciprocal across the brain divide.

Which would be very well said, if the statement is determined to be true. Then if someone questioned him about the meaning of it, he could expand on it well enough to demonstrate how the process works (assuming he can do a better job of expressing himself than I do), since he would already have experienced it 'up close and intimately.'

So there's a very real possibility that a person can do something well enough, understand what he's doing, but just need to keep it to himself, or avoid trying to write about it, I guess.
 
In some contexts, abstracting meaning CAN be very "heart-full." For example, if you write a long paragraph about an incident in a relationship that describes everything that happened... "I came into the house, Molly met me at the door, it was raining outside and I was wet, she had just mopped the floor, she looked at me with disgust ...." and so on could be reduced to: "I was wet and cold and you hurt me." And then to: "I hurt."

You can do it from both points of view, too. From Molly's point of view: "I was tired and alone and you disrespected me and my work; I hurt." to: "I hurt."

So, in both cases, even if you have used the intellect as the way to get there, you have ended up with emotion.

Mouravieff talks about certain "ways" that are open to different types of men. What works for one, does not necessarily work for another. Some people are dominated by the emotional center and its energy runs their thinking. Some people are dominated by their intellect and the emotional center is sleeping. The method of balancing for each is different.

Can anyone find that passage in Gnosis about the methods?
 
I will quote from the "To A Louse On seeing one on a Lady's bonnet at Church" message:

Laura said:
[...]

At this point, Mouravieff talks about two ways to develop discernment.

-The negative method, or method of exclusion, is recommended to man 3, that is, the intellectual type;

-The positive method, or method of integration, is recommended to man 2, the emotional type.
One question that might be asked is: how can you tell the difference between someone who has the center of gravity in the intellect, or one who has the center of gravity in the emotional? I think that the key is above, that for the person with the intellect as center of gravity, a "critical analysis" is the general method of dealing with life, and there is very little "imaginative" ideation about things, even very anomalous things. It is very hard for such a person to "believe" anything at all. Even if they create theories about things, they always seem to be still somewhat "open" to the next bit of data.

The individual with the emotional center dominant may seem to do a lot of "critical analysis," but they do it with a "terminus a quo" - or a starting point of belief. They are not quite able to divest themselves of a starting belief to which they cling no matter what. This can create special problems.]

Looking at the first way, the way reccommended to a person who is more "intellectual," and has pretty much a sleeping emotional center, Mouravieff mentions that the individual with the anaesthetized emotional center will NOT see the light except at the peak of his efforts. He describes the problem in this way:

In principle, man 3 is endowed with a tendency not to believe. He is of a rather sceptical nature: he often and easily progresses to a critical analysis of the facts and problems that face him. The centre of gravity of his mental life is in intellectual activity.

The negative method takes these characteristics into account.

In observing the movements of the inner life, it undertakes a critical analysis of the most scrupulous and impartial type possible. It observes the comings and goings of the little 'I's or groups of little 'I's and, recognizing them as being Non-I's, makes an effort not to be identified with them.

Little by little, he thus discards that which does not indicate a real and permanent tendency in the currents of his mental life. When such constatations are repeated in a controlled way, over and over again, the observer will perceive that certain elements are permanent, and consequently cannot be subjected to the principle of exclusion with true objectivity: he will then find himself not far from the threshold of the real 'I'.

We can see that such a method asks neither for an ideal nor for faith. It nevertheless has its danger: it requires total impartiality in the observations and conclusions to be drawn from it.
This is where the input of a sincere group is INVALUABLE and even CRUCIAL. Because of the problem of "sleeping emotional centers" having their energy usurped by the intellect, it is almost impossible to be impartial without the mirror of the group.

If such impartiality is not observed from the start, the man risks falling deeper into Illusion.

His situation will then be worse than it was before.

As a result of these exercises, a certain modification is produced in the structure of his Personality, so that the ties between the centres, of which we have spoken in chapter VII, atrophy and eventually fall. If, at that moment, the magnetic centre is not strong enough to establish its authority directly over the centres, the man will become amoral, and dangerous to himself, as well as to others.
Now, let's look at the second way, the way of the individual whose center of gravity emotional. Mouravieff notes at the beginning that the person who follows this method will be encouraged by sparks from the consciousness of the real' I' which will accompany him all along the path.

The second method is positive. It can only apply to man 2, the centre of gravity of whose mental life is found in the heart. This man may have an ideal and try to reach it. For this he will attempt to reassemble those elements of his Personality where the seeds of his ideal are scattered. This method is the reverse of the preceding since it tends not to the exclusion of unstable elements but to a synthesis, an affirmation. If such a man is called hot, it is because he has given free rein to his positive emotions: exactly the opposite of the cold method of critical analysis and exclusion.
Those of you familiar with alchemical terminology might note that this could very well be the "wet way vs the dry way." The "wet way" would be the cold method of critical analysis, the "digestion" and "putrefaction" and the "dry way" would be the method of reassembling via heat and calcination. The dry way is said to be "faster," but less certain and Mouravieff notes this also:

This is not without danger, but the danger is of a different nature. It comes from an initial error in the choice of an ideal, or rather from the attitude when the choice is made. The fact that this ideal has been approved by the master changes nothing. It is a question of lack of sincerity towards oneself. The profound divergence between admitted and unadmitted aims can cause an interior rupture which, when strongly emphasized, can go so far that it provokes division in the Personality.
In other words, the terminus a quo amounts to lying to the self and what we have already discussed above: the Integral lie. This is the problem of someone trying to work alone, through pride or lack of self-esteem, or having so much self-importance that they cannot open up and share the mental processes they are going through for feedback. Again the work of a group is CRUCIAL. That's one of the reasons that the work of QFG requires the giving up of all "sacred cows." And we have set the example by giving up any "belief" that the C's are anything other than an interesting phenomenon that must be researched and analyzed before anything is considered even possible, much less probable.

A rapid analysis of these two methods of work reveals the role of impartiality - that form of objectivity of which man is capable - and later of sincerity.

Not to make conscious use of these two qualities, especially towards ourselves, is the source of many errors in our lives which we will not know how to mend later on.

There is within us a dominant aptitude either for impartial judgement or for sincerity.
Here Mouravieff has suggested that impartiality might belong to the intellectual type, and sincerity toward the goal - even if unaware of lying to the self - belongs to the emotional type. You can be sincere as all get out and still go down in flames. Old saying comes in here: The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

This aptitude corresponds to our type, and determines in principle what method we should choose to follow.

We must not forget, however, that our natures are mixtures as much from the fact of our birth as from our education and upbringing. This means that, while applying the method which best suits our dominant aptitude, we must not lose sight of the other method; both have their roles to play in our efforts towards evolution, but in different proportions for different people.
Exactly so. It is not so simple, and in some cases, cold critical analysis is important, and in other cases, keeping the devotion to the goal in mind is most important.

But in either case, objectivity is the key.

The activity of QFS, the working group, is pretty much as described above, with a kick. This process is familiar to its members and quite a number of them have been "in the crucible." As many more have felt the heat and run screaming in terror...

But now, let's go back to something from the beginning of this post.

The problem of achieving objectivity - which is CRUCIAL - is that the energy of the negative emotions are utilized to protect the self against TRUTH. Note Mouravieff's comment about "negative emotions, for which the keyboard is very large, ranging from melancholy to hate."

Those whose center of gravity is the emotional center, and that emotional center is very poorly developed, are generally seeking only love and acceptance. Unfortunately, they identify emotionally with their mechanical programs so deeply that it is almost impossible to tease them apart. They can even be quite intellectual. The key to this kind of intellectualism is that it is always obscure and convoluted and very poorly communicated. The word "density" is very low. Lots of words, little meaning. All of the words that such a person speaks are designed to hide the real self and can even serve to hide the self from the self since this is the kind of dialogue that goes on in their head. It exemplifies the varied "keyboard" of emotional "buttons."

A person whose emotional center is so buried and twisted is living in terror as I noted above in the discussion of the "right man." Remember that such a person MUST be right at all costs because, deep inside, they are struggling with horror at their own helplessness. Their rightness is a dam that holds back their worst fears: that they are lost and alone and that there really is no god because how could there be a god who loves them if they have to suffer so much? Their inability to feel truly loved and accepted deep within is, in effect, like being stranded in a nightmare from which they cannot wake up.

This helplessness, this fear of being alone, is very possibly based on fear of failure. Such a person is terrified of not being "good enough" to love.

As a consequence, such an individual may work very hard to succeed at something - or several things - as compensation. They work very hard to know a lot about a number of things, generally material things so that they can give evidence of their competence in a material way to the outside world.

When you listen to such a person talk, they nearly always come across as knowing lots of things and will incessantly talk AT another person, divulging all of the things they know about any given subject, their experiences, and so on and so forth. There's that "word density" problem again. Lots of talk, little substance.

Such an individual finds it almost impossible to admit that they are ever mistaken about anything, and even if of a very gentle disposition, can give the impression of a repellant self-righteousness. They are hypersensitive to any kind of criticism at all, and quite often, interpret simple interest in their activities as "critical."

What then happens is that such a person - feeling that they must compensate for some criticism with "rightness," will utilize the emotional energy to create conditions where they can prove that they are not only good enough, but better than others. The "dreaming" energy of the emotional center combined with a clever intellect, can produce all kinds of strange experiences that border on literal schizophrenia.

This is one of the reasons that QFG does not have much tolerance for imaginative weirdness and "seeing things" that are not objective. There is no doubt that such things happen, but when they do, they are almost invariably tricks and traps into STS illusions. The evidence that this is so is that they are not "objectively" available to all viewers. And so, when something operates on your subjective perception, it is very possibly real AND a trap. "Seeing the unseen" has nothing to do with seeing lizards or ghosts or any such subjective psychic phenomena.

A saying I heard years ago: "Neurotics build castles in the air; psychotics live in them." Added later: "4 D STS collects the rent."

Remember this: A and B influences can also be viewed as "creative" or "entropic," and certainly there can be "A" influences that may appear to be very "spiritual" or "esoteric". Remember what Mouravieff tells us about those who make the mistake of believing such delusions, quoted above, but worth repeating:

"This second figure, with black magnetic centres, represents the situation where man deludes himself and, believing he is absorbing 'B' influences and making the necessary selection all the while, he in fact absorbs 'A' influences, those of the black arrows that are in some way parallel to the white arrows of the 'B' influences. This will put him into contact with people who possess magnetic centres of the same nature: who are themselves duped or who dupe others, and who have no direct or indirect link with the esoteric Centre. "
Our only defense is purity of the magnetic center achieved via objectivity.

And so, we come back now to Robbie Burns who described a simple country girl all decked out in her fancy bonnet, her mechanical programs, seething with lice.

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An' foolish notion
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us
An' ev'n Devotion.

The gift of being able to see ourselves as others see us would save us from many errors and foolish thoughts and ridiculous behavior , and we would most certainly cease being devoted to those things that shore up and support our illusions about ourselves.
 
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Thanks, Psyche!!!!!!

Yes, now, as I was saying... it appears that Bud follows the way of Man number 3 where the center of gravity is the intellect. His way of working is entirely appropriate to his needs. Anart, and myself, in fact, are "man number two" and tend to work differently. It took me awhile to understand the difference which actually only came to me at the time I was doing the analysis quoted above. I had a pretty big "aha!" moment. What I found fascinating was the fact that I THOUGHT that I was always working with the intellect and was missing the factor of the very active emotional center having its energy usurped by the intellect and that a LOT of my thinking was thusly skewed by emotional energy.
 
Thanks much everyone for this clarification. I also "think" I fall into the man number 2 category but would then wonder if that was the case as I often live in my head. This explanation makes a lot of sense.
 
Laura said:
Thanks, Psyche!!!!!!

Yes, now, as I was saying... it appears that Bud follows the way of Man number 3 where the center of gravity is the intellect. His way of working is entirely appropriate to his needs. Anart, and myself, in fact, are "man number two" and tend to work differently. It took me awhile to understand the difference which actually only came to me at the time I was doing the analysis quoted above. I had a pretty big "aha!" moment. What I found fascinating was the fact that I THOUGHT that I was always working with the intellect and was missing the factor of the very active emotional center having its energy usurped by the intellect and that a LOT of my thinking was thusly skewed by emotional energy.

I think that is a very relevant observation and goes a long way toward explaining my own interpretation of Bud's writing, especially when he describes his own mental processes! It is an 'aha' moment and will, hopefully, help me see more clearly.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: You guys are the most wonderful human beings on the planet! :)

If this man 3 thing is true, then I thank you for the analysis and the recognition. FWIW, it is definitely not true that my heart, side and stomach (enteric system?) doesn't feel the pain from some of the responses I receive occasionally. It's just that I understand that I'm not being understood (which is my job to learn how to overcome). And I make the effort to keep the feelings out of the writing.

Again, if what is being said is true, and if feedback from a group is still crucial, then a reciprocal feedback might be valuable as well. IOW, from what I guess would be a man 3 point of view, some posts from some people come across as cut from the same cloth - template responses, if you will, modified by user preference. And the user doesn't realize they seem to have the same built-in self-assurance that "there is not likely to be any other explanation than what I am offering for you to consider." Having said that, though, many times it turns out to be true, even if it doesn't feel so much like a genuine connect, or conscious interaction.

What I like most about this way I work is that any time I uncover false ideas and beliefs it has a sometimes profound effect on the way I see the world. It tends to release some emotion bound up in these cognitive structures, as well. Maybe somewhat comparable to a tiny atom bomb, or some such. This helps me to see even more areas that aren't integrated.

I sometimes wish I could communicate the joy of the sense of freedom that is possible when one frees oneself from certain illusory understandings, but that's already been communicated quite well in the Wave and other writings, for which I am very grateful.
 
Bud said:
And I make the effort to keep the feelings out of the writing.
Perhaps this may be part of the issue? Maybe you are confusing an emotional response/post with a response that contains emotional quality if that makes sense. Another issue may be that in attempting to explain what is already difficult to convey, some of the terms you use may add further complications. So perhaps leaning more to the idea of keeping it as simple as possible may be helpful? :)
 
truth seeker said:
Bud said:
And I make the effort to keep the feelings out of the writing.
Perhaps this may be part of the issue? Maybe you are confusing an emotional response/post with a response that contains emotional quality if that makes sense. Another issue may be that in attempting to explain what is already difficult to convey, some of the terms you use may add further complications. So perhaps leaning more to the idea of keeping it as simple as possible may be helpful? :)

That feels like it would be worth implementing. Thanks! :)
 
Bud said:
If this man 3 thing is true, then I thank you for the analysis and the recognition. FWIW, it is definitely not true that my heart, side and stomach (enteric system?) doesn't feel the pain from some of the responses I receive occasionally. It's just that I understand that I'm not being understood (which is my job to learn how to overcome). And I make the effort to keep the feelings out of the writing.

Hi Bud,

This is from your post of over two years ago:

Bud said:
Yeah, you caught me here. It seems that as I grew up, I developed the habit of trying to model my knowledge/understanding of something before I actually tried to put it in practice because I was often afraid that when put on the spot, I would inevitably say or do the wrong thing and either embarrass or humiliate myself.
You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks!

And this is what Ana wrote to you yesterday:

Ana said:
Same here, as I see it, the degree of hability to comunicate is proportional to the understanding so that giving (comunicating) equals being (understanding). Bud i think you find yourself trying to convey things wich you do not understand yourself, with no practical understanding, and it ends sounding as metaphysical word salad wich is rooted in subjectivity:

Is it possible that your intellectualization (buffering) may be preventing you from actually feeling the arising emotions (like emotions of embarrassment and humiliation that are rooted in fear and shame) and then integrating them and what you learned or understood, because perhaps you continue to shield them from the self by intellectualized compartmentalization?

Maybe it would be indeed a good idea if you would try to reply without holding off any emotion, just as an experiment :)
 
obyvatel said:
By my current understanding, these hurt parts of the selves really hinder us from forming a more objective picture of reality - they tend to drag us back to the past and makes us relate to the present through the filters of past events. As the adult observer self gets stronger it can sometimes catch these wounded child selves (or their protectors) from taking control of the psyche and override them. But is this enough for true integration of the self? The last step in the IFS process which talks about protectors being freed up from their burdens and taking up useful roles in the psyche seems more like integration. For example, the same part which intellectualized any emotion so that pain would not be felt, after being released of its burdens could be used for abstract philosophical thinking. In Work terms it wound mean the right use of the centers - intellectual center energy being used for activity which is natural to it.

Obyvatel, if "true integration of the self" depends on interconnecting new neural pathways and electromagnetic field interactions, we must allow time and understanding for the transformation to take place. I have struggled to change unbecoming behaviors and eventually discovered that simply acknowledging the behavior without judgement, presistently over a period of months appeared to transformed the unbecoming behavior into a functioning aspect of self. It takes several months or even years to bring the thinking center, the feeling center, and the motor-instinctive center to presence simultaneously at each and every event.

I gained much practical insight into working with others by reading the Internal Family System (IFS) website, inspite of the name which evoked images of the detritus of Freudian Id, Ego, and Superego blended with John von Neumann's systems theory. I had to acknowledge a couple of firemen before I could read the material with presence and an open mind. The good doctor has a real heart when working with the wounded. :)
 
Keit said:
Hi Bud,

This is from your post of over two years ago:

Bud said:
Yeah, you caught me here. It seems that as I grew up, I developed the habit of trying to model my knowledge/understanding of something before I actually tried to put it in practice because I was often afraid that when put on the spot, I would inevitably say or do the wrong thing and either embarrass or humiliate myself.
You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks!

Hi Keit. The idea of [general "rules" and "procedures" that one can easily follow when the issue of asking and giving comes up] was born out of the frustration of not being able to easily predict what was expected from me back in my youth, yet wanting some kind of principle to follow so as to feel integrity.

Like many others, my natural childhood and youth spontaneity was wrecked by narcissistic expectations and behavioral roles, so my ability to act on what I knew to be true was also a 'no-no' due to the very predictable punishments and mistreatments.

Imagine what it would be like to be 12 years old, playing chase outside the house with your little brother. At the same time you're chasing him, your saying something that he doesn't believe. So you run around the back of the house where your father and two adult family visitors are relaxing in lawn chairs. You run up to your dad and say: "Hey dad, "X" doesn't believe me, but isn't it true that you can tell a person what to do, and you can punish him for not doing it, but you can't MAKE a person do anything. (This was just a realization of who is really in control of my body).

Now imagine that, for your answer, you find yourself lying on your back, on the ground, knees up, hands protecting face, as you try to withstand multiple attempts to slap your face off. Knowing what I know about him, he felt his authority challenged and was embarrased in front of his company and reacted to reestablish his view of himself being in control.

This kind of thing didn't happen all the time, but it can turn you into a coward with respect to self-expression. The 'rules' and 'procedures' were, indeed, an attempt to deal rationally with the world and with people by preempting physical attack for being right, but being seen as 'very wrong'. But that was then.


Keit said:
And this is what Ana wrote to you yesterday:

Ana said:
Same here, as I see it, the degree of hability to comunicate is proportional to the understanding so that giving (comunicating) equals being (understanding). Bud i think you find yourself trying to convey things wich you do not understand yourself, with no practical understanding, and it ends sounding as metaphysical word salad wich is rooted in subjectivity:

Is it possible that your intellectualization (buffering) may be preventing you from actually feeling the arising emotions (like emotions of embarrassment and humiliation that are rooted in fear and shame) and then integrating them and what you learned or understood, because perhaps you continue to shield them from the self by intellectualized compartmentalization?

Maybe it would be indeed a good idea if you would try to reply without holding off any emotion, just as an experiment :)

I would say that, for the most part, I no longer buffer or consciously attempt to buffer anything. Many times, I feel more than I can effectively communicate without distorting what I want to say. At times in my life, I felt like I would be perceived as over-emotional and not be taken seriously. I wanted people to "cognite with me". I wanted someone to stand beside me, figuratively speaking, looking at the same thing I see in order to share the view, not to look AT me judgmentally, distracted with an 'emotional display' that might just be a bit uncomfortable for them, seeing as how they were "addicts in their own skin" and didn't take kindly to "unpredictable variables" in their immediate vicinity causing withdrawal symptoms.

I see the connections between the 'intellectualization' and the emotions, because the two interweave. If they did not, I suspect things like Cognitive Therapy and Cognitive Schemas would be invalid. Of course, it would be detrimental to separate the intellect from the emotions, or to NOT see them working together, except for purposes of talking about them.

Having said that, it is possible that buffering could happen, but when I am aware of this, there is no reason why I should hide from the emotion. Being a grown man with the desire to fully mature all my understanding, there is no reason for me to avoid integrating them after I have analyzed the thought structures and see where (if anywhere) they come from and how they are ontologically justified, or what they mean in terms of how I understand the nature of being, itself.

It just takes a bit of time and during that time, I saw no reason to express them towards others, because, until I figured it out, others might be right. It seems I would rather acknowledge someone's correctness, than to have to backtrack and apologize for my errors.
 
Bud said:
Many times, I feel more than I can effectively communicate without distorting what I want to say.
At times in my life, I felt like I would be perceived as over-emotional and not be taken seriously.I wanted people to "cognite with me". I wanted someone to stand beside me, figuratively speaking, looking at the same thing I see in order to share the view, not to look AT me judgmentally, distracted with an 'emotional display' that might just be a bit uncomfortable for them, seeing as how they were "addicts in their own skin" and didn't take kindly to "unpredictable variables" in their immediate vicinity causing withdrawal symptoms.

And it is sad because when we are not free to express how we feel, when others near us are not ready to emotionally support us and even more our emotions makes them unconfortable because they themselves have disowned their own, it makes us hide ours, so as to be able to minimally survive and be accepted by them.

Later, it is difficult and painful to create a bridge between ourselves and others so as to effectively comunicate and express our emotional world, mainly because we become afraid of the speed and spontaneity of our emotional life wich makes us feel insecure and lacking control, at least this has been and is my experience. :)
 
Ana said:
Bud said:
Many times, I feel more than I can effectively communicate without distorting what I want to say.
At times in my life, I felt like I would be perceived as over-emotional and not be taken seriously.I wanted people to "cognite with me". I wanted someone to stand beside me, figuratively speaking, looking at the same thing I see in order to share the view, not to look AT me judgmentally, distracted with an 'emotional display' that might just be a bit uncomfortable for them, seeing as how they were "addicts in their own skin" and didn't take kindly to "unpredictable variables" in their immediate vicinity causing withdrawal symptoms.

And it is sad because when we are not free to express how we feel, when others near us are not ready to emotionally support us and even more our emotions makes them unconfortable because they themselves have disowned their own, it makes us hide ours, so as to be able to minimally survive and be accepted by them.

I'm with you, Ana! :thup:


Ana said:
Later, it is difficult and painful to create a bridge between ourselves and others so as to effectively comunicate and express our emotional world, mainly because we become afraid of the speed and spontaneity of our emotional life wich makes us feel insecure and lacking control, at least this has been and is my experience. :)

Yep! Being labeled 'ADD', what helped me a lot was when I started investigating the issue (of 'ADD') on my own, below the surface of the 'accepted views', to find out exactly what people were thinking, on both sides of the 'aisle', so-to-speak.

What I had been trying to do in my life, in my ignorance of the dynamics that were operating, was to fit into the 'community' or groups that I belonged to while growing up. But being unable to stabilize for very long with the norms of the group stress levels, it was very difficult to be accepted as a 'member' who was 'normalized', or micro-synchronized to their ritualized behaviors and views.
 
Hi Bud --

Bud said:
The idea of [general "rules" and "procedures" that one can easily follow when the issue of asking and giving comes up] was born out of the frustration of not being able to easily predict what was expected from me back in my youth, yet wanting some kind of principle to follow so as to feel integrity.

This kind of thing didn't happen all the time, but it can turn you into a coward with respect to self-expression. The 'rules' and 'procedures' were, indeed, an attempt to deal rationally with the world and with people by preempting physical attack for being right, but being seen as 'very wrong'. But that was then.

Thanks for sharing that story, because I think it's germane to the discussion. I bolded the above because I think that it can be tempting to disregard things like this from our childhood because we somehow feel like we 'should have gotten over' what happened 'back then', and not recognize the way that patterns set in our childhood still affect us now. When you say 'this kind of thing didn't happen all the time' -- well, it's good that it didn't happen constantly, but if it happened even occasionally, it was still every bit as impacting to you as a child/adolescent. From the point of view of a twelve-year-old, your father's reaction would have been both frightening and confusing, and no wonder you needed to develop some defenses and 'rules' to figure out how to try to prevent that situation from occurring again (even though it was not your fault, but children often internalize responsibility about things like this, no matter how misplaced it may be). When parental behavior is unpredictable, children will go through all sorts of contortions to compensate, because they need predictability in the ways that really matter.

Bud said:
I would say that, for the most part, I no longer buffer or consciously attempt to buffer anything. Many times, I feel more than I can effectively communicate without distorting what I want to say. At times in my life, I felt like I would be perceived as over-emotional and not be taken seriously.

Having said that, it is possible that buffering could happen, but when I am aware of this, there is no reason why I should hide from the emotion. Being a grown man with the desire to fully mature all my understanding, there is no reason for me to avoid integrating them after I have analyzed the thought structures and see where (if anywhere) they come from and how they are ontologically justified, or what they mean in terms of how I understand the nature of being, itself.

This is something that I feel -- and I could be off -- that it would still be worth taking a look at. FWIW, I feel that your posts, in general, are often both helpful and interesting. However, there is a way that you write that seems to dilute the content -- "buffering" is really an appropriate word if used literally here -- so that the main thrust gets buried to various degrees behind the phrasing. It gives me the impression of a tug-of-war of sorts going on as you write, in that there is something that you really want to say, but you are afraid to do so directly, so an extra degree of 'cushion' gets added as you write. Although you say that 'there is no reason why you should hide from the emotion' as 'a grown man', I'm not sure that it isn't still true that you worry that you won't be taken seriously if you show emotion (due to the fear of being perceived as over-emotional) and write more directly. Frankly, being a 'grown man' hasn't prevented me from having to examine my own emotions and buffers and how to deal with them appropriately! As a matter of fact, if you learned to hide from them as a coping mechanism when you were younger, it may be all that more difficult (and important) to learn to do it as an adult. Being able to identify the buffers isn't easy, but being networked can go a long way if you decide it's something that you really want to work on (and again, I could be off about any of the above).
 

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