Help to understand blood test results...

Psyche said:
I would do that, yes. If you are on a low carb/keto diet, then it looks like iron overload is really having an effect in your liver.

Other things to keep in mind are viral infections, prescription drugs and so forth. But yeah, looks like decanting iron is the way to go.

If you are not a candidate for blood donation, perhaps you can look into an integral/alternative medicine option for decantings? In any clinic where they use IV orthomolecular nutrients, they should be able to decant. Or perhaps through the Iron Disorders Institute, they will guide you through the appropriate parties.

Have you tried liver support supplementation such as alpha lipoic acid, milk thistle and the like? I would take some, it will help you stabilize your metabolism while you decant and chelate iron.

Thanks Psyche. I'm more on a paleo diet and slowly transitioning to keto diet and I'm probably getting too much protein, so I'm going to look to reduce my protein mainly by consuming more bone broth. I will be researching alternatives to my medical provider. The Iron Disorders Institute has on their website:
Find a Doctor

Patients often ask us to recommend a physician. Although Iron Disorders Institute maintains a list of health care providers by specialty we no longer make these available on our website. We encourage you to check with the local treatment centers and ask for the name of physicians who are writing orders for your particular iron disorder. Special collection coordinators, hospital outpatient services, and transfusion services are places where iron reduction or iron replenishment therapies are performed. These centers have different policies for writing orders and can better guide you on finding a local expert.

There is such a center in my area and I have been planning on contacting them in the near future to try to track down a suitable physician, etc in my area.

I started last week taking a liver support supplement that includes milk thistle. I'm also taking ALA.
 
Finally I have the results of the other test I have done, here are the results numbers :

Hemoglobin 9.9 - They classified as anemia-
HDL CHOLESTEROL 87
LDL CHOLESTEROL 120
TOTAL CHOLESTEROL 224
TRIGLYCERIDE 87
URIC ACID 3.10
HEMOGLOBIN CONCENTRATION AVERAGE CORPUSCULAR 29
AVERAGE VOLUME CORPUSCULAR 76
AVERAGE OF HEMOGLOBIN CORPUSCULAR 22
FERRITIN 4.36
Serum iron 28.0
BINDING CAPACITY 447
6.2 SATURATION INDEX

I was reading in the HH thread that the anemia could be deficiency of B6-B12 and B1. Should I take it in pills? :huh:
 
zim said:
I was reading in the HH thread that the anemia could be deficiency of B6-B12 and B1. Should I take it in pills? :huh:

9.9!

Wow, that's low. So, yeah, you would need to take B vitamins (B12, B6 and B3 supplements).

ADDED:

Reference: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,20265.msg413012.html#msg413012
 
zim said:
Finally I have the results of the other test I have done, here are the results numbers :

This is actually a low iron anemia, but what is important here is to establish the cause as opposed to taking iron. I think some medical detective work is in order. It matches some of the symptoms you have reported.

Once the cause is pinned down, you will know better how to take care of your health with the diet or which supplements or treatments will be best. IMO, B vitamins are good anyway. :flowers:
 
Thanks Psyche for your response, in order to follow your advice and to do an medical detective work, I'm posting the next steps:

1- test for possible causes for the loss of iron
a- loss of blood in menstruation
b- parasites
c- loss of blood through the system digestive

2- Increase through the diet intake of iron, more liver for example, more bone broth? :huh: or should I take other food?

In my case the menstruation is horribly abundant so I could say that can be the cause of the loss but I´m going to make another test to discard options b and c.

What I'm worry now is that the next menstruation will be soon, if I lost by the menstruation, I will lose more the next time, so the hemoglobin will go down more .... :cry: :(
 
zim said:
Thanks Psyche for your response, in order to follow your advice and to do an medical detective work, I'm posting the next steps:

1- test for possible causes for the loss of iron
a- loss of blood in menstruation
b- parasites
c- loss of blood through the system digestive

2- Increase through the diet intake of iron, more liver for example, more bone broth? :huh: or should I take other food?

In my case the menstruation is horribly abundant so I could say that can be the cause of the loss but I´m going to make another test to discard options b and c.

What I'm worry now is that the next menstruation will be soon, if I lost by the menstruation, I will lose more the next time, so the hemoglobin will go down more .... :cry: :(

Good quality liver sounds like the food that will nourish you :flowers: Bone broth too. This might sound odd considering all the recent iron research... If you are losing so much blood, perhaps taking some iron for a short period of time will help you stabilize your levels while you take care of that particular problem. You are low, and if you are losing hair and going through much physical or any other stress, having a low iron anemia is not going to help one bit. Depending on your lifestyle, that could be problematical to say the least. It is like Nora Gedgaudas says in Primal Body, Primal Mind: with anemia, it is practically impossible to stabilize brain chemistry.

You can try taking some iron and if you don't tolerate it... then stabilizing your menstrual blood loss is a priority. Hope you can get some progesterone cream over there :)
 
Psyche said:
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From all the panel, the LDL strikes at slightly higher than usual, bringing the total amount of cholesterol a bit higher than usual too. The HDL has a very good number. Generally speaking, the higher the better and yours contribute to increase the total cholesterol amount.

How does your diet look like? How many carbs do usually eat?

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My two cents :)
I think the answer to the higher LDL levels is found here:

Dr Jack Kruse in QUANTUM BIO 10: HORMONE 102; DRAWN TO LIGHT? June 20 said:
… Pregnenolone is made from the conversion of cholesterol, and cholesterol is made from LDL

So anytime the body is stressed or inflamed for any reason, both good and bad, it up-regulates LDL cholesterol production to make more lifesaving hormones.

… Molecular chaos is what we call inflammation. In times of infection or stress, LDL levels are always designed to rise to protect the cell. … It also makes the point of trying to lower LDL cholesterol seem rather odd when you understand how the hormone system is designed to work.
At the time of the blood test (and in fact each week I have deep-tissue body massage) my body was (is) inflamed - edema - nerve endings and toxins coming out, as a consequence of the massage. Hence, the higher levels of LDL found in the blood test.
 
I've had some blood work done - more, if needed, could/would perhaps have to be ordered from some private practice. To begin with, some background:

From the state-subsidized "care centers" (the places here you generally go to for healthcare), where it is relatively cheap, you only get to test things if you have some issue, and what you test is up to the doctor. So, I focused on the persistent on-and-off tiredness (mainly physical, as well as on-and-off brainfog of varying degrees) I've experienced for a long time. Mentioning the diet made (of course) the people I spoke to alarmed, but eventually I was able to reach a doctor instead of having a future time booked with a "standard"/mainstream dietician.

I managed to get ferritin into the tests made - I think it was included simply to humor me - the rest being chosen by the doctor. Ultimately, what alarmed the doctor was the total cholesterol result, and a re-test adding the details was made. Following this, though, the "diagnosis" is fixed, and more testing would probably have to be done elsewhere.

The doctor follows the mainstream ideas rigidly, and thinks, of course, that I'm being put at danger by my "extremely unhealthy" diet, now proclaimed the sure cause of everything that might be wrong with my health. The standard "plate model" of recommended diet, and all her mainstream ideas, are, of course, scientific, and - halfway implicit, halfway explicit in what she says - I'm just a poor person misinformed by the Internet. There is zero openness and really no point in trying to discuss anything with this person.

The results: (extracting what might be related to iron, and also cholesterol, and a few other things mentioned in this thread)

Hb: 141 g/L (ref. 134-170)
MCV: 99 fL (ref. 82-98)
Erythrocytes: 4.1 T/L (ref. 4.3-5.7)
Iron: 6.3 μmol/L (ref. 9.0-34.0 - was considered "low")
Ferritin: 259: μg/L (ref. 34-275 - was considered "good", but the hemochromatosis thread suggests otherwise)

Creatinine: 76 μmol/L (ref. 60-105)
TSH: 2.9 mIE/l (ref. 0.4 to 4.0)
T4, free: 13.5 pmol/L (ref. 11.0-22.0)

Total cholesterol: 12.4 mmol/l (479.5 mg/dl)
HDL-cholesterol: 1.0 mmol/l (38.7 mg/dl)
LDL-cholesterol: 9.6 mmol/l (371.2 mg/dl)
Triglycerides: 3.8 mmol/l (336.6 mg/dl)


For cholesterol, I've used that ratio calculator that Psyche linked to earlier:

Your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is: 12.40 - (preferably under 5.0, ideally under 3.5) AT RISK
Your HDL/LDL ratio is: 0.104 - (preferably over 0.3, ideally over 0.4) AT RISK
Your triglycerides/HDL ratio is: 8.699 - (preferably under 4, ideally under 2) VERY HIGH RISK


I've kept on zero-carb (except a bit of liver now and then) for a long time - with rare exceptions, that's been it for years. The usual meal (not counting bone broth meals - hard to estimate) has been around 50% meat, 50% fat (by volume when cooked), with protein reasonably restricted for quite some time. Having for months added sauerkraut which seems to help my digestion.

A relatively recent change (all these prior to the tests) is supplementing with iodine (Lugol's solution), adding some spices (mentioned in the hemochromatosis thread as useful for getting rid of iron, though almost certainly no substitute for EDTA), and drinking much more black tea. Recently weight has increased from 52kg (bordering on underweight - has for my whole life been the greatest weight I've been able to achieve by any means) to 54kg some days ago and now 55kg, so something in there (the iodine?) seems to have made for a change.

I now experiment a bit, including supplementation, while keeping the diet very-low-carb, to see if something is hit upon. I'll also be trying EDTA - seeing if it makes a difference. I don't know the markers for inflammation, but suspect from the way I feel that there's some of that. Then there's the possibility that getting rid of some iron will make a difference, as well; EDTA seems like something that might help with both, and from what I've read, it can also have a positive impact on cholesterol values as well (i.e. the ratios might improve).


Then there's a personal situation aspect which leads to another change: Over the phone, the doctor insisted on speaking to one of my parents, with whom I live, for the purpose of having someone near me to coax me into changing my ways. The doctor having suggested one of them, I suggested instead the more (unbeknownst to the doctor) dietarily clued-in parent, who was spoken to and "recruited". This parent does not believe in the mainstream dogma, being an alternative health person - and knowing the test results, has now suggested a variety of supplements to try. This parent does however consider my diet too "extreme", and thinks my liver can't handle all the fat I eat. (Whereas the doctor does not consider the liver at all and blames solely the "evil" of animals fats in itself.)

The "recruited" parent related that the doctor spoke of, should I be too obstinate to do so willingly, "forcing me" to change my diet. This being an allusion to forced "treatments" which, as I learned, apparently exist, much like the treatment given to people with severe eating disorders such as anorexia. So, this being the mindset of the doctor, at any rate an appearance of dietary change is needed.

As far as the "recruited" parent is concerned, beyond supplements, some low-carb and otherwise relatively non-evil veggie things, such as certain kinds of sprouts, (intended to supply enzymes among other things), are a good idea to try, along with, for a while, reducing the fat level a bit. And the externally considerate option at this point seems to be to experiment with introducing some very-low-carb and non-evil veggie sources of nutrients, checking which I tolerate fully and keeping only those, which can then be pointed to. Along with supplements, that'll guarantee the support of the "recruited" parent in convincing the doctor that I have "changed my ways".

So forced "treatment" does not seem a likely end to this little adventure - which began with the quest to find out iron status.


So, I'm looking for general suggestions, including if I've missed something.
 
Psalehesost said:
So, I'm looking for general suggestions, including if I've missed something.

Oh boy, what an adventure! Even though other iron load markers are missing, with that ferritin level and the context of your symptoms plus the cholesterol levels, it would be wise to decant ASAP. I hope your cholesterol levels/ratio improve as you get a hold of the iron business. For a very low carb diet, triglycerides look too high.

Have you ever tried B vitamins? Overall, donating blood and the EDTA sound like good priorities. :flowers:
 
Psyche said:
Psalehesost said:
So, I'm looking for general suggestions, including if I've missed something.

Oh boy, what an adventure! Even though other iron load markers are missing, with that ferritin level and the context of your symptoms plus the cholesterol levels, it would be wise to decant ASAP. I hope your cholesterol levels/ratio improve as you get a hold of the iron business. For a very low carb diet, triglycerides look too high.

Have you ever tried B vitamins? Overall, donating blood and the EDTA sound like good priorities. :flowers:

Here, people can donate at most four times a year, spread out fairly evenly. So, having previously applied and then given a blood sample, I may get called to donate once in the next few months. (Have just changed the place I'd go to, to one with times more closely scheduled, so that I may get called sooner.) Beyond that, I would be on my own. So it looks like EDTA, which I'm waiting for to arrive, is the viable option. Thankfully, as Laura noted in the hemochromatosis thread, it seems to be very effective by itself.

B vitamins were suggested, and I now take them. Remains to see if there is a difference, but worth a try.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
I have just had a blood test done. Apart from wanting to have a blood test done since I came across the problem with too much iron in the blood in the transcript, I had to go to the doctor for another reason. The reason being a discoloured patch on my arm, that I first noticed 6 weeks ago. When I went a week ago , the doctor said that she thought it could be shingles for which she prescribed some homeopathic medication, but to be sure she ordered some blood test.

Today I went to the doctor and the results had come back. It was pretty clear that it wasn't shingles, and also since the medication didn't show any signs of improvement. The blood test did test positive for borrelia (12 of the 36 species of borrelia can cause Lyme disease according to wikipedia), though the lab results were not conclusive in that it was a new infection. My doctor was hesitating for a bit as the 6 weeks laps between noticing it and then having the test could be enough to not show up any longer as "new". She ended up with proscribing docycyclin 200mg dosis per day. I said I would think about it and have not filled the prescription out yet as I haven't had antibiotics for the last 35 years and not keen on it. On the other hand, I don't want to be foolhardy either and ignore it.

I have some DMSO, that I have not used yet, but is now really the time to experiment? I read in the DMSO thread that Laura was taking DMSO and docycyclin together for some ailment in 2010. If I decide to take docycyclin, would a combination of docycyclin and DMSO be advisable? :huh:

The blood test showed a number of things that I am not yet able to decipher as it is German abbreviations, but the doctor said everything looked good:

Ferritin 84ug/l range 30-360
Cholesterol 5.7 mmol/l range < 5.0
Vitamin B12 439 pmol/l range 156-672
Magnesium 0.82 mmol/l range 0.7-1.0
Glucose 4.8 mmol/l range 3.5-6.1

Blood test was done on a fasting stomach (16 hours).

As for blood donating, then I donated blood for the first time the day after I read about it on the hematochrosis thread 3 months ago and would be due to donate again, if it wasn't for the borrelia.

I can't find the values for triglycerides or the liver function, but suspect the values could hide under some cryptic abbreviation.

Any suggestions are welcome as I am in two minds as to what route to go.

PS: I have been gluten and dairy free since October 2010 and in and out of ketosis since the last 7 months. The last amalgam filling got removed late last year having had the other ca.14 amalgam fillings removed in 1998 (for some reason the dentist at the time chose to overlook one filling that was hard to get to).
 
Aeneas said:
Today I went to the doctor and the results had come back. It was pretty clear that it wasn't shingles, and also since the medication didn't show any signs of improvement. The blood test did test positive for borrelia (12 of the 36 species of borrelia can cause Lyme disease according to wikipedia), though the lab results were not conclusive in that it was a new infection. My doctor was hesitating for a bit as the 6 weeks laps between noticing it and then having the test could be enough to not show up any longer as "new". She ended up with proscribing docycyclin 200mg dosis per day. I said I would think about it and have not filled the prescription out yet as I haven't had antibiotics for the last 35 years and not keen on it. On the other hand, I don't want to be foolhardy either and ignore it.

You don't think the skin problem might be related with Lyme's disease?

You can search in google for images to see if it rings a bell. You say it is a discolored patch, yet at some point the doc thought it might be shingles. Sounds like the kind of thing that is hard to tell if it is Lyme's or not.

Since it is a problematic bug, in case of doubt, you can take the antibiotic and then do some probiotics and a gut healing program.

How well are you doing on the diet?

Here is more info about the lab test:

_http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1204031510081

Clinical signs of Lyme borreliosis (LB)

The earliest, most common, and in some cases the only manifestation of LB is erythema migrans (a pink or red rash spreading from the site of a tick bite), which appears about 3-30 days after a tick bite. Some patients may also have rather nonspecific 'flu-like symptoms with tiredness, headaches, arthralgia (joint pains) and myalgia (muscle aches). They do not usually have significant respiratory symptoms. Neuroborreliosis (infection of the nervous system) is the commonest complication of LB in the UK. Neuroborreliosis can cause facial palsy (weakness or paralysis of the muscles on one or both sides of the face), viral-like meningitis, pain, weakness or altered sensation of limbs or trunk, or other symptoms. Not all patients with neuroborreliosis have a history of rash, although many will have had a mild fever a few weeks previously which may have passed unnoticed. Lyme arthritis, which usually affects the knee, is rare in patients with UK-acquired infection, but is more common when the disease is acquired in North America or some parts of Europe. Other complications affecting the heart, eye and other organs and tissues are rare. [1-4] A small proportion of patients who have had LB may go on to develop a post-infection syndrome resembling chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia, which has been termed 'post-Lyme syndrome'. [1,4] Similar symptoms can be triggered by a number of other infectious and non-infectious conditions.

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Laboratory investigations

Before diagnostic tests are requested, a patient's risk of exposure to ticks should be properly assessed and the clinical history evaluated for features compatible with LB [4-6]. Tests should not be requested if there is no significant risk of a patient having Lyme borreliosis. It is important that relevant clinical information is provided when samples are submitted for testing.

The most commonly used tests look for antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb), the organism that causes LB. An infected person’s immune system produces antibodies in response to Bb infection, just one of the mechanisms used by the body to fight infection. The antibody response takes several weeks to reach a detectable level, so antibody tests in the first few weeks of infection may be negative. It is rare for patients to have negative antibody tests in longstanding infections. Laboratory diagnosis in this country follows an internationally recommended two-step approach, using commonly available antibody screening tests as a first stage, followed by immuno-blotting (western blotting) of samples that give reactive or equivocal results in the screening tests. [4-10] Sensitive screening tests are used because they can detect low levels of antibodies; but they have the disadvantage of producing occasional false positive results in samples from some patients with other conditions. These include glandular fever, syphilis, other infections, rheumatoid arthritis, other autoimmune conditions and some neurological conditions. [5-10] Samples giving reactive or indeterminate screening test reactions are then tested in a more detailed system, called immunoblot or western blot, to confirm the presence of Bb-specific antibodies. These second-stage tests allow laboratory workers to give a more accurate assessment of the presence of Bb antibodies.

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Interpretation

As with many other infections, antibodies may not be detectable in the first few weeks after infection, because an antibody response takes several weeks to develop, so a negative test at this stage of infection does not exclude a diagnosis of Lyme borreliosis. A second sample taken 2-4 weeks later may be required to show sero-conversion (development of an antibody response). The chances of a positive test in early infection range from about 30% in the first two weeks to about 80% by six weeks, and the positivity rate increases further with duration of active infection. Patients with late-stage LB are very rarely seronegative; there is greater than 99% chance that they will have a positive antibody response. [5,10] If late-stage LB is still suspected in a patient who has negative antibody test results, additional investigations can be performed following consultation between the clinician and laboratory staff. It is important to recognise this gradual development of antibody response in order to appreciate the significance of antibody test results at the different stages of infection. The tests look for the presence or absence of antibodies to Bb, which may or may not relate to presence of active disease. The significance of any result, negative or positive, should be interpreted carefully by clinicians in the overall context of the patient’s clinical findings and tick exposure risk history.

People may have antibodies to Bb without having a current infection. Those whose work (e.g. forestry), or place of residence (adjoining woodland, heathland or scrub), or recreational interests expose them to the risk of frequent tick bites may have antibodies due to a previous infection that may have been unrecognised or even asymptomatic. In some cases the patient's current clinical problem may be unrelated to the previous Bb infection.[1,4,5,7,9,10] The antibody test systems used in the PHE Lyme Borreliosis Unit (LBU) follow the two-stage system currently recommended by European and American authorities, as described above. All the antibody test kits routinely used in the LBU have been fully validated and CE marked and have been selected to ensure that they cover the sub-species found in Europe and the USA. Those available for use in the USA as well as the EU are also US FDA-approved. All kits are used according to manufacturers’ instructions and under quality control procedures accredited for clinical pathology laboratories.

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Other diagnostic tests

Other tests that can be used include detection of Bb DNA using polymerase chain reaction (PCR). This type of molecular test is useful in certain circumstances, especially on joint fluids in suspected Lyme arthritis, and on samples from suspected skin infections. It is less helpful than antibody testing of CSF and is of little value in testing blood samples, as borreliae are rarely present in the bloodstream after the early stage of infection.

Tests that are not recommended for use in diagnosis of Lyme disease

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In general, the oral antibiotics doxycycline, amoxicillin or cefuroxime axetil are recommended for two weeks (range 10-21 days) for erythema migrans and isolated facial palsy, and for four weeks when treating patients with Lyme arthritis. There is increasing evidence that doxycycline is also useful for treating some other forms of neuroborreliosis [14]. The usual adult doses of these antibiotics are: doxycycline 100mg twice daily; amoxicillin 500mg three times daily; cefuroxime axetil 500mg twice daily. Doxycycline use is contraindicated for children aged under twelve years and for pregnant and breastfeeding women. Intravenous treatment, usually with ceftriaxone for two weeks (range 10-28 days), is recommended for some neurological presentations and occasionally for second-line treatment of arthritis and for some other uncommon presentations (see listed guidelines). The usual adult dose of ceftriaxone is 2g daily.

Erythromycin is not recommended for treating any stage of LB, as it has a high failure rate. Newer macrolides such as azithromycin or clarithromycin may be used if first and second-line antibiotics are contraindicated, but patients should be carefully followed up clinically, as treatment failures can occur with these agents.

Longstanding neuroborreliosis may be slow to respond to treatment, as damaged nerve tissue is slow to heal.

Re-treatment may be indicated in occasional cases of neuroborreliosis and arthritis, but there is no evidence that very prolonged or multiple courses of antibiotics are valuable in these presentations or for patients with persistent post-Lyme symptoms [1,2,4,13], and they can cause serious and even fatal adverse effects [15,16]. None of the European or American guidelines listed below recommend very prolonged or multiple courses of antibiotics.

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Co-infections

Other infections can be transmitted by bites from infected ticks. These include anaplasmosis, babesiosis, and Q fever. All are rare tick-transmitted infections in the UK; Q fever is more frequently acquired through other transmission routes. In some parts of Europe ticks can transmit a virus which causes tick-borne encephalitis, (TBE) for which a vaccine is available. If a tick-transmitted co-infection occurs with LB it may give an atypical clinical presentation.
 
As I mentioned in the Hemochromatosis Thread ( http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,20265.msg424850.html#msg424850 ) a few days ago, I finally got my blood test results. Blood was submitted on July 3 and results received July 6, 2013. I had fasted for about 16 hours before giving the blood. Results below (I've highlighted out of range results in red):

Item Result Ref. Ranges

TSH (thyroid stimul. hormone) 2.0 .5-4.1 mIU/ml
T3 (total triiodothyronine) 1.1 .8-1.9 ng/ml
T3 free 2.7 1.4-4.2 pg/ml
T4 (total thyroxine) 8.2 5-13 μg/dl
T4 free 1.2 .85-1.85 ng/dl
thyroglobulin autoantibodies 11.6 <100AU/ml
thyroid peroxidase autoantibodies 6.9 <40 AU/ml
PTH (parathyroid hormone) 21.4 8.8-76.6 pg/ml
Prolactin 4.1 male: .94-11.94 ng/ml
Glucose 4.3 adults: 3.9-6.4 mmol/l
Connecting peptide 0.6 .9-3.5 ng/ml
Insulin 4.4 2-25 ng/ml
HbA1c 5 4.4-6.7%
Iron (Ferrum) 106.4 male: 65-175 mg/dl
TIBC 307.6 250-400 mg/dl
transferrin saturation 311 200-360 mg/dl
ferritin 143 male 20-50 yrs: 34-310 ng/ml
C-Reactive Protein 6 < 12.0 mg/l
Hemoglobin 133 male: 135-175 g/l
Red Blood Cells 4.34 male: 4.5-6.5 1012/l
Blood quotient .9 .85-1.05
Hematocrit 41 male: 40-52%
Platelets 253 150-400 109/l
White Blood Cells 5.2 male: 3.7-9.5 109/l
Stab neutrophils 4 1-6%
Segmented leukocytes 69 42-72%
Eosynophyles 2 .5-5%
Lymphocytes 20 19-40%
Monocytes 5 3-11%
Erythrocyte sedimentation rate 13 male: 2-10
Aspartate aminotransferase 13.1 male: < 37 U/l
Alanine aminotransferase 11.5 male: < 42 U/l
Gamma-glutamyltransferase 14 male: < 45 U/l
Alkanline phosphatase 37.8 adults: < 35 mU/l
Lactate dehydrogenas 239.1 adults: 207-414 U/l
Bilirubin direct 2.1 < 5 μmol/l
Bilirubin total 10.5 < 19 μmol/l
Bilirubin indirect 8.4 < 15.5 μmol/l
Thymol .9 < 4 U/l

perfect level 120-220 mg/dl
Cholesterol total 326.1 max permissible 220-260 mg/dl
dangerous level > 260 mg/dl

perfect level > 55 mg/dl
HDL 38.7 max permissible 35-55 mg/dl
dangerous level < 35 mg/dl

perfect level < 150 mg/dl
LDL 271 max permissible 150-189 mg/dl
dangerous level > 190 mg/dl

perfect level < 150 mg/dl
Triglycerides 82 max permissible 150-200 mg/dl
dangerous level > 200 mg/dl

Atherogenic factor 7.4 40-60 years: 0-3.5
> 4 high risk of CHD development


Not included in results, but I calculated from the other items:

UIBC: 201.2 mg/dl (serrum ferritin subtracted from TIBC)
Transferrin saturation as a percentage: 34.59% (serum iron divided by TIBC=106.4/307.6=.3459)


Overall, I don't think the Iron panel is TOO bad.

So my concerns/questions are:

- Although my ferritin levels are below 150 ng/dl (but not by much -- 143 ng/dl), I'm going to donate blood a couple of times and try to get it into the 60 - 80 range or close. Needless to say, it's "within range" in the lab results, but that doesn't mean anything. But I'm considering it might reflect inflammation as much as or rather than iron overload per se.

- Also I took 600 mg of EDTA for the second day today about an hour before breakfast; and also 300 mg of R-Lipoic Acid with breakfast; then 800 mg IP-6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate - which is supposed to also be effective against iron overload) several hours later along with 1 cap of 260 mg activated charcoal. With dinner, 40 drops of ConcenTrace Liquid Ionic Trace Minerals, OptiZinc Complex with 30 mg zinc monomethionine (200% zinc DV) and 300 mcg copper sebacate (15% DV); and a 225 mg magnesium citrate tab. Probably starting today I'll take the same supplements with dinner plus a "CraNiULS" Multi-Vitamin & Multi-Mineral (without iron) which stands for Council for Responsible Nutrition's Upper Level of Supplementation Vitamin and Mineral Safety (the values of each item are 50% of the Upper Level Safe Limit - but doesn't include all items on their list). It has:

Vitamin A 2500 IU (50% Daily Value); Vitamin B1 thiamin 50 mg (3333% DV); B2 riboflavin 100 mg (582% DV); B3 niacin 10 mg (50% DV); B5 pantothenic acid 10 mg (100% DV); B6 pyridoxine 50 mg (2500% DV); B9 folic acid 500 mcg (125% DV); B12 cyanocobalanin 1.5 mg (25,000% DV); D3 cholecalciferol 1200 IU (300% DV); Vit E di-alpha tocopherol 40 IU (133% DV); Biotin 1.25 mg (417% DV); Boron 1.25 mg (no DV established); Chromium picolinate 500 mcg (417% DV); Iodine as potassium iodide 250 mcg (167% DV); Manganese as manganese gluconate 5 mg (250% DV); Molybdenum citrate 175 mcg (233% DV); Selenium as sodium selenite 100 mcg (143% DV); Zinc oxide 15 mg (100% DV).

- I'm not too satisfied with my lipid panel results. Although I know about the cholesterol myth, I'm surprised my HDL is low and LDL somewhat high; I think they're both related to the 143 ferritin level. Very well could be some kind of inflammation going on. Tryglicerides are pretty good, but I thought they'd be better having been in ketosis for two and a half years.

- Anyone have any input about the "Atherogenic factor?" What is it measuring and how meaningful is it?

- What's the significance of the Alkaline phosphotase result?

- What about the Erythrocyte sedimentation rate which is out of range -- anything to worry about?

So I think I might be having some inflammation going on. Some more background just for full disclosure. In the last couple of months I've eaten a few slices of cucumber (less than a quarter of a medium cucumber), a couple of slices of tomatoes, and a couple of leaves of lettuce and little bits of cilantro and dill with dinner on occasion. I'm mentioning this because for the previous 8 months or so I hadn't eaten anything except meat/fat and eggs. Also during the same time, I ate a few cherries (like 4 a day), and a few "shpanka" -- don't know what they're call in English, it's Russian for a hybrid of sour cherry and cherry, all from my own yard. None of these gave me any reactions -- and I've become REALLY sensitive to things I shouldn't eat or drink, but thought I'd mention it anyway as possible inflammation/reaction triggers. And finally I've been drinking one cup of coffee early in the morning when I first wake up (between 4:30 and 5:30 AM usually) about three times a week -- sometimes in a row, and sometimes with days between each time, but average about 3 times a week. I make the coffee by putting two teaspoons of dark roast grounds into a mug and pouring boiling water (actually I let it cool for a minute or two after turning of the heat, then pour it) and stirring. Back around October 2012, I tried coffee made the same way a couple of times, but not first thing in the morning, and I didn't react to too well, so I called off the experiment.

My hemoglobin is slightly lower than normal on the lab form (and also RBC) but it's above 12.5 g/dl so I can give blood. So might be good to take that Craniuls multi-vitamin & multi-mineral for all the B vitamins besides the minerals a few times a week, especially during the period I continue taking EDTA. Same with Hematocrit at 41 -- good to go if I want to donate blood. So that about it, and any input would be highly appreciated.
 
Psyche said:
Aeneas said:
Today I went to the doctor and the results had come back. It was pretty clear that it wasn't shingles, and also since the medication didn't show any signs of improvement. The blood test did test positive for borrelia (12 of the 36 species of borrelia can cause Lyme disease according to wikipedia), though the lab results were not conclusive in that it was a new infection. My doctor was hesitating for a bit as the 6 weeks laps between noticing it and then having the test could be enough to not show up any longer as "new". She ended up with proscribing docycyclin 200mg dosis per day. I said I would think about it and have not filled the prescription out yet as I haven't had antibiotics for the last 35 years and not keen on it. On the other hand, I don't want to be foolhardy either and ignore it.

You don't think the skin problem might be related with Lyme's disease?
Thank you for your quick response,Psyche. My doubts I think were mainly fuelled by the doctor and her initial hesitation, but the blood tests did come out positive for Borrelia. Another reason for my doubts were that I haven't noticed any symptoms apart from the patch, no headaches or fewers or other things. I did have a mild head cold a couple of weeks ago, but that is all.

I did get in close contact with a few roe deers around mid May, which all had lots of ticks on them, but despite getting some on me, they were all quickly discovered and none stayed longer than half an hour to an hour (The close contact due to hunting and subsequent killing and skinning etc.). As I was reading yesterday on the internet before posting here, I read also that the chance of getting infected was small if the tick stayed less than 24 hours, so I didn't think that infection had happened.

You can search in google for images to see if it rings a bell. You say it is a discolored patch, yet at some point the doc thought it might be shingles. Sounds like the kind of thing that is hard to tell if it is Lyme's or not.
The patch was not typical as to what I have seen on the internet, but there is probably also a larger spectrum and not all can be covered.
Since it is a problematic bug, in case of doubt, you can take the antibiotic and then do some probiotics and a gut healing program.
Based on your feedback I have gone ahead and filled the prescription. I gather that it is a problematic bug as you say.
How well are you doing on the diet?
I am generally feeling well on the diet, with good energy levels. As I mentioned then I am on and off regarding ketosis as I am still struggling to implement some things. I have over the last 3 years being trying to cut coffee away completely and gone through various stages of one coffee a day to now just the occasional coffee. I still also have the occasional glass of wine, which doesn't help ketosis. My work involves shift work, sometimes early and sometimes late, which upset any routine that I could wish for. Likewise the work involves staying in hotels about 6 times a month and here food can be a problem. When staying away from home, as I have to make sure not to loose weight, then I will eat more carbs such as potatoes than is good for staying in ketosis. I don't have blood sugar drops on the diet and feel good sustained energy levels even when going 8-10 hours without food, if I have a good fatty breakfast, which I never miss out on, even if that means having it at 3:30 in the morning.

Thank you again for your help.
 
SeekinTruth said:
So I think I might be having some inflammation going on.

That is the feeling that I get to from all the parameters and data in general. Onloading iron will help stabilize your cholesterol levels, at least it will not make them oxidized.

More than the atherogenic factor by evaluating cholesterol levels alone, I would be more concerned of unloading or reducing oxidizing agents in your body: excess iron, heavy metals, EMF pollution, radiation and so forth. It is oxidized cholesterol that is bad juju and/or cholesterol that remains at high levels long enough in the blood which increases its chances of getting oxidized in the arteries so to speak.

If you don't have that much iron and are taking EDTA plus doing blood donations, perhaps some vitamin C will help with the inflammation? Or maybe it is one of things worth considering once you unload the iron.
 

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