High Strangeness of August 09

[RedFox]

Hi Manuel

fwiw I think I can see at least 4 potential red flags.....

Isn't it obvious that in all she said there was this ego hook message of "you are a chosen one" to seduce me?

Its possible, so use it as an opportunity to see what programs have been triggered. This is one potential red flag.

Something rather strange and very unusual happened to me this morning. I think that this is the right thread to post it (¡good idea Corto Maltese!). While I was walking in the street a lady of about 45 years old came to me and asked if she could say something to me.

The fact that it was out of the ordinary is again potentially another red flag.

Her look was of a normal human being and her presence didn't caused me any negative feeling, rather a positive one...

Positive feelings in 'odd' situations....my understanding is this is a red flag simply because the 4D STS lot can 'give us good feelings' if they choose to.

that I should choose if I wanted to talk to her again and that she could give me a lot of knowledge

Here's the biggest red flag.....what she is selling.
The question is....what knowledge?

Once you consider the potential red flags....what she said to you takes on a different flavour to me (if you consider that she may well be an agent, and the 'knowledge' she is going to put 'in you' may be to derail you, the wording is quite worrying).

"You have to have faith.

Maybe so? Ego feeding perhaps?

You have to believe in you.

Also maybe so....but what part to believe in? if as we know we are machines who are automatic, blind, asleep, twisted and broken.....what exactly do we believe in about ourselves if we don't know or can't see ourselves properly? This is why learning and building faith in yourself (which is healthy) needs to be done in the setting of a network that can provide you feedback and mirror the parts of yourself you cannot see yet. Ego feeding again??

Once you'll start believing in you every thing will be better in your life.

Warm and fuzzy feelings....a subjective and simplistic (escapist) view of the world....not an objective one. I wonder if drug dealers say the same? Ego feeding.

Once the Wisdom is in you everything will be different.

Different how? More objective or subjective and warm and fuzzy? Feeding the ego, and suggesting how it can continue to be fed...(perhaps I'm being too cynical here?)

God knows you.

Maybe? Feeding the ego...

You are here to work for Him.

Ego feeding....and somewhat scary when you think about it? What about free will? It seems quite a demanding statement covered in sugar. Perhaps 'god' in this case is 4D STS?
My understanding is 'all are lessons' and we are here to learn what we can, if we choose too :)

When I saw you I knew that I had to talk to you."

Now this may be something to ponder.....
I have had periods where I've (Seemingly) attracted these sort of people into my life....at least that was my impression. It seems to go away once you start working through your own psychology and emotional issues. The more they are brought into awareness the less of this sort of weirdness (at least in this way) seems to happen to me.

Her name was Blanca (White in spanish).

Also very close to 'blank' in English.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=Manuel] a lady of about 45 years old came to me and asked if she could say something to me. I said yes and then she started (I don't remenber the exacts words but these are the ideas she expressed): "You have to have faith. You have to believe in you. Once you'll start believing in you every thing will be better in your life.[/quote]

It may help to understand the tactic of bidding:

[quote author=Precis on The Good and The Evil, Michael Topper]
On page 21 of Volume III, The Law of One, the Ra entity characterizes a prototypical tactic of the [4th Density STS], that of "bidding." "Bidding" is described in such a way to make it clear that Strieber's experience represents a concrete instance of the phenomenon.

"Bidding" is a contest of will, rendering the consciousness that obeys into enslavement through its own free will. It is a command of obedience, precisely such as that issued without explanation against Strieber's lust for sweets. It's sole purpose is to bend the subject into accepting the command, the actual content of the order being largely beside the point. […] To possess a legion of servants in this way is an actual nourishment to the centers and systems of 4th density; a kind of "food-chain pyramid." […]

Thus we find the Strieber entity virtually paraphrasing the earlier Ra recitation of the modus operandi that identifies the Negative beings - the failure to exact obedience bears punishable consequence. It is a continuing illustration of the way in which the Negative polarity extorts the desired obedience - and thus soul capture - through manipulation of Love. [/quote]

This post by Laura includes the above quote and is a worthwhile read.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Something rather strange and very unusual happened to me this morning. I think that this is the right thread to post it (¡good idea Corto Maltese!). While I was walking in the street a lady of about 45 years old came to me and asked if she could say something to me. I said yes and then she started (I don't remenber the exacts words but these are the ideas she expressed): "You have to have faith. You have to believe in you. Once you'll start believing in you every thing will be better in your life. Once the Wisdom is in you everything will be different. God knows you. You are here to work for Him. When I saw you I knew that I had to talk to you." Then she asked what I was thinking. I answered that a part in me trusted her and that another part had doubts. She told that I didn't have to believe completely in what she was saying, that I should choose if I wanted to talk to her again and that she could give me a lot of knowledge. Then she gave me her cellphone number and left in a hurry to take a bus. Her name was Blanca (White in spanish). She looked like a normal person, had normal clothes, was rather kind and gentle and didn't looked like as someone who is campaigning for some church, sect or cult (although it could be a way of doing this). Her look was of a normal human being and her presence didn't caused me any negative feeling, rather a positive one... Well, how to interprete this encounter? Was she just a crazy woman? Was she rather a useful idiot send in my way to divert me from the right path? Or should I call her and find out a little more about who she is and what she knows? Isn't it obvious that in all she said there was this ego hook message of "you are a chosen one" to seduce me?

Sounds like jehova’s witnesses technique. Just don’t call her, I hope that you didn’t give any personal data about you?

 

[Buddy]

Hi Manuel. I agree with RedFox and MC. Caution and asking lots of questions is always good. There are a lot of disinfo pushers in the world and the promise of 'easy knowledge' or 'wisdom' often works on people who are hungry for knowledge and think there is a shortcut to 'truth'.

There is no free lunch, Manuel - somebody, somewhere, always pays.

 

[Z...]

Indeed Jehova's witnesses operate in this way.
Careful, if you open a door of communication it will be very difficult to get rid of them.

 

[ana]

Ego feeding....and somewhat scary when you think about it? What about free will? It seems quite a demanding statement covered in sugar. Perhaps 'god' in this case is 4D STS?

Totally agree, potential danger here, intentional manipulation.
Someone telling you what God want you to do, wich GOD will tell you what to do....?

A GOD needing a woman to get in contact with you...

EDIT:

(Also,
If you try to remember the situation, do you see yourself aware and thinking according to your foreground, or just as a spectator mesmerized )

 

[Username]

Thanks guys for your input. I agree, there are too many obvious red flags, too many ego feeding in what she told me... I won't call her.

Quote from: M
“Isn't it obvious that in all she said there was this ego hook message of "you are a chosen one" to seduce me?”
Its possible, so use it as an opportunity to see what programs have been triggered. This is one potential red flag.

Well, although I was keeping the record of all these red flags there was an important part in me who wanted to believe that this lady was in fact a real "angel of light" sent to contact me, that the Universe was giving me proofs that I am in the right path and that I am special. What Laura says in The Secret History about the masters that come to you when you are ready came to my mind. Also, certain emotions linked to the need of being loved were pushing me to trust in the woman. So yes, all these egotic programs were triggered, but I think I always managed to keep my distance.

Quote from: M
You have to believe in you.
Also maybe so....but what part to believe in? if as we know we are machines who are automatic, blind, asleep, twisted and broken.....what exactly do we believe in about ourselves if we don't know or can't see ourselves properly? This is why learning and building faith in yourself (which is healthy) needs to be done in the setting of a network that can provide you feedback and mirror the parts of yourself you cannot see yet. Ego feeding again??

I totally agree. That's what I always think when someone says something like this: what part to believe in? Although never before I linked that question with the need of a network now I think I see the essential connection. So thanks for that RedFox.

Sounds like jehova’s witnesses technique. Just don’t call her, I hope that you didn’t give any personal data about you?

No. I just gave her my name and told what I studied.

(Also,
If you try to remember the situation, do you see yourself aware and thinking according to your foreground, or just as a spectator mesmerized )

Well, I remember myself as rather aware and thinking according to my foreground, except for the fact that from the beginning I assumed that the encounter was "anormal", rather supernatural, that she wasn't a jehova’s witnesses or something like that. I also remember me being there in a state of perplexity, because of the fact that she said this thing about believing in yourself, which is the same thing that a "psychic guy" (he knows things about you, your history and your probable future through his reading of the tarot, and I know from my own experience and from the experience of others that he has been acurated) told me a couple of months ago. So this certainly catched my attention. That together with this sense of strangeness put me in a susceptible mood.

It may help to understand the tactic of bidding

Thanks MC for the quote and the link to Laura's post. I've read it. It's very interesting but i don't really understand how this situation could be a case of bidding, because I don't see a command of obedience being issued.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=manuel]I don't see a command of obedience being issued.[/quote]

"You have to have faith. You have to believe in you. . .God knows you. You are here to work for Him. . ."

Subtle. You didn't ask.

 

[Psalehesost]

August for me was largely free of strangeness; I did have brain fog coming and going throughout the month and also caught a heavy cold as previously mentioned in the Eiriu-Eolas thread.

Then there is this: Some days, during evening and/or typically at night (occasionally during the day), there is a very heavy feeling in the air (around at least a large part of the city. it seems some in different places experience the same kind of thing at different times, based on what I've been told). It feels dark and dank, "energetically" speaking, and opening the window at such times would bring it in. Makes me wonder just what the heck might be going on. August was a month of unusually many of these occurrences.

Then there is a final thing, the "timing" and association of which in hindsight mildly disturbed me, though in still further hindsight this may simply be silliness on my part: On August 17 (in hindsight, 3 days after PepperFritz's death), I wrote but never ended up posting (as I thought it too likely to be noise or otherwise not too well-received and also couldn't settle on where to post it) the following:

I'd like to network the method I describe below, in case it is either useful or far off:



I am having and trying to deal with problems with my crumpled emotional center. It is massively contracted in part and part of it has long had a tendency to (literally!) assume that anything I focus on is within me (in emotion/feeling) - as if there is no distinction between the self and the outside ("infantile" program?) - which influences neurotic program activity (though it is not at all reflected in my intellectual understanding nor in much of my emotional activity, it being a very localized issue).

Today, having had an issue with "contraction" stemming from this problem leading to inadvertently picking up a huge load of "energetic" gunk, I decided to do something about it (part in attempt to get rid of said gunk) other than just pipe breathe (not done E-E program today yet, though - to come), and was inspired to just sort-of focus on inner (mental and emotional) contractions (center-points of program activities) that are "visible" to me as follows:

In terms of raw focus, much the same as when "thinking with a hammer" (Self-Remembering, plus a certain kind of directed "intensity"). On top of that, there is repeating and intending the words (and[/or] meaning thereof) directed towards these aspects of the false self: "Give up - Relax - Embrace death"

This is done in a wholly detached and impersonal manner (at times a bit of love - in the sense of knowing and accepting-as-is - was felt to occur) - as otherwise, it would be the Predator's mind directing the process.

By itself (no intention or focus on such an idea), these "contracted" points in the mind "loosen up" and things "let go" - sometimes there is some warmth felt, and that focused on becomes diffuse and seems to "melt" away.

Complete focus is on the process - no breathing, unless, as is allowed, the body automatically takes a couple of slow, shallow breaths from time to time. Then, in intervals (without counting, since all focus is on the process - whenever it "is time"), taking a couple of deep pipe breaths (a lot seems to go out with them!).



I am thinking that the above might possibly be a useful (for some, at least, if they get it "working" based on the above) way of doing some purging of our "junk" - killing the false parts of ourselves that won't let go, thus perhaps getting rid of blockages. I think it might, on top of the original purpose (I've also done it for miscellaneous things I've cast my inner sight upon), help me get rid of that of "me" which limits Me in doing E-E.

Q: (Ark) [...] everybody is a little bit narcissistic in the sense that we love our junk. We have a lot of junk, and we love it, and we are scared to get rid of this junk because we think that body will implode. There will be nothing, so we keep this junk because that's the only thing. But you cannot change if - at the same time - you still want to be the same. So you have to get rid of this junk. [...] And don't be scared that you will collapse and you will be nothing, you see?

I want - impersonally and detachedly - my "junk" to die. (though part of my "junk" also wants so, albeit less impersonally and detachedly[. and in so doing, of course, clings on])

 

[shijing]

I hadn't really thought about the timing of this until last night, but I realized that there was one strange thing that happened to me on Saturday, August 15th. I was driving home in the afternoon with my family after seeing a movie (Ponyo), and as I got ready to turn onto my street, I heard a honk and saw a big black truck behind me. I think the driver thought I had cut him off when I got ready to turn, and he followed me down my street, nearly bumper-to-bumper, to my house. He went past us when I turned into my driveway, but circled quickly and came back, parking sideways behind my car so that I couldn't get back out. I opened the garage door with the automatic opener, and I told my family to go in and lock the door behind them, and I was going to get out and try to get the license plate of the truck and then talk to the driver. However, he apparently didn't expect my family to exit the car first, so after looking confused for a second he flipped us off and then just took off before I was able to get the license plate. It could just be coincidence and a random case of road rage, but after the August 30 session showed that there was a lot of weird energy on that weekend, I thought I should put this on record here FWIW.

 

[Username]

Quote from: manuel
I don't see a command of obedience being issued.

Quote
"You have to have faith. You have to believe in you. . .God knows you. You are here to work for Him. . ."

Subtle. You didn't ask.

Oh, I see now. Subtle indeed. Thanks MC.

 

[ava]

There is a thread High Strangeness of September 09, but think it fits here better.

One (more than one actually, but all in the same category) very strange thing happened.
Some background first.
Some years ago (5-6, can't remember exactly) one of my friends introduced me to a person, kind of a psychic. At that time I was in a really bad state (not uncommon in my case, I tend to be in a bad state every now and then, psychologically I mean) and would've taken any straw. So I started visiting him from time to time.

Now, he's a combination of a spiritual healer and a future teller, and I saw him, in the course of approx. 1 year maybe 5-10 times. First I saw him around September (2-3 times), then again in later spring next year (few additional times) - important to note, I never gave him any money, nor was asked to.

He didn't exactly help, and I didn't exactly like his way, cause mostly he would just ramble unconnected stuff about love, touched me a lot, which was really creepy, with occasional telling me this or that will happen (like, you won't find real love till you're in your thirties, you should be a writer, you should look for an older man, not this young ones that are just using you - which was, by the way, creepy by itself, cause with him I always had a slight feeling he is trying to get into my pants).
So I saw him that few times and then stopped.

Few months later (in spring), I was again in a bad state and went to look for him (again). With a slight change that the last time I saw him (and for the last time to this day), it wasn't at his place (as it normally happened), but he came to my home. The same rambling took place once again, I didn't feel any better after words and I decided to end it for good (him coming to my home being a key factor in the decision, as I felt intruded).
For a while he sent me text messages, offered to come again, I never replied, and it eventually stopped.

After words I almost completely forgot about it, or suppressed the whole experience, but as I can remember, from time to time he would still text me.

Few more things of importance, he was never coherent, his messages are what you would call word salad, that maybe meant something to him, but not to me, so I would just scan them (they are usually quite long) and erase them.
My whole memory of the experience is a bit fuzzy, and disturbing for that matter. I would even describe it as a feeling of being violated.
Now, I've mentioned sexually related bad feelings I would have being around him, but I am not sure if that part was just my imagination or real, and it definitely was just a part of the whole thing - a lot of things I reacted badly to had to do with religion (he's alternative, but more of a Christian kind than anything else), him saying I should pray, go to church, I would say things like - I don't want to bring children to this evil world, he would say God put us here to produce children etc.


And then about 2 weeks ago, it was early morning, I was sleeping and woke up by an incoming text message, took the mobile, saw unrecognizable number, opened the message and there it was, message from him (you can recognize it without a doubt, cause it always starts the same way - my dear in capital letters, and then something, a song, or how to call it, common thing is that it has the word love, by itself or God loves you, almost in every row connected with some words that don't exactly make sense.

And this thing was really disturbing. I can't really explain it, but I was always disturbed by his messages, I sort of connect him with black times (of my psychological state I mean), and even though I was feeling OK in general at the time, I had some important things scheduled for upcoming weeks, and got totally freaked, like it was a sign that things are going to be rough and will not go as planned.
But I dismissed it, deleted the message as usual and forgot about it.
Well, eventually things really didn't go as planned, and I did get really depressed, peaking 3 days ago, which was the worst day possible (describing my mental state again). And at some point on that day I was sitting on a bench feeling like there's no tomorrow and lo and behold - text message.
And that felt even worse, it wasn’t comforting at all, it just felt like a big intrusion into my mind.

I don't know if he really senses something is wrong with me, or just has an impulse to text me (and would say I'm leaning to the latter, cause if he really could get into my head he would’ve known I really don't appreciate his messages), but it's a bad feeling.

To note, that bad day ended with me, after a month of postponing, finally downloading and starting with breathing exercises, which actually was the basic thing that helped in calming me down (I still have to see where it leads me, as I'm only in the beginning), so at least at the moment attack passed.
And I do get depressed or even self-destructive from time to time, but I am dealing with it, and this place is also helping a lot, so it's not like I won't survive or anything, it just feels totally terrible when it's on a roll.

But the whole thing was still somewhere in my mind, so today when I woke up, I was looking around forum trying to find something similar, or even a place where it would be appropriate to share this - and I got texted again.

It went something like (grammar, punctuation and stuff aren’t his kind of thing):

MY DEAR if perhaps we wish to grow things perfectly possible we are able to pursue relationships magnificently BY WANT CHOOSING THE CHOICE OF LIFE WE ARE TO BECOME RISING SPRING * prayer of ascending I AM A CREATURE OF GOD PRETTY BEAUTIFUL THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TO THE HEAVEN, LOVELY ADORABLE WONDERFUL TO THE HEAVEN… thank you KISS YOU


So that is why I decided to definitely write it now, as it is so strange and I don’t exactly know what to think of it.
I am also puzzled by my strong negative reactions.
What is this person’s agenda. Is there one, or is it just help I’m not is sync with.

 

[Mountain Crown]

ava,

Have you ever told him in no uncertain terms to stop? If not, what have you to lose?

If he continues after being told to knock it off, is it possible to block his number?

 

[Lorraine]

Hi Ava

He is obviously trying to catch you at a vulnerable time. If MC's advice doesn't work, I suggest stay strong, ignore the messages and change your phone number if it is possible for you.

 

[ava]

To be honest, I was always just ignoring and deleting it as fast as I can from my phone and mind,
I was even freaked to answer anything, just avoiding engaging myself in any kind of conversation with him at all.

Anyway, not sure if messages can be blocked, but I will immediately block the number in incoming calls blocking part (to do this this never occurred to me, but I haven't heard from him, till recently, for ages, so I didn't really count it will happen again ever), maybe that will do it.