A yellow jacket is not a bee, it is a type of wasp.crazy croc said:I have to agree with AZUR about the problem seeming to affect hive builders more exclusively. I live in an area which is literally plagued with yellow jackets every summer. Worst being in July. Last summer, I saw only a handful of these bees the entire season. Usually I would say that one would encounter at least a dozen in an afternoon. I also have a family of carpenter bees living in the front part of my garage which have nested there for the past 8 years or so. They didn't seem to be affected and they are not hive builders.
[RETRACTED STATEMENT: SEE FOLLOW UP IN FOLLOWING THREAD]alwyn said:More on bees here: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/176000
Roughly it states that Africanized Bees seem to bee resistant to CCD, and that possibly the whole commercialization of the 'bee industry' is a contributing factor.
This seems awfully like anthropomorphizing the poor bee. I don't think that the whole STS, STO think applies to this order of intelligence. Besides which, you may not have all the information about these bees.dant said:But one thing about "Africanized Bees" is that they attack and kill without
provocation. Perhaps these sort of bees might be "narcissistic" or "pathological"?
They seem to be like that of normal bees, but perhaps they are not? Might they
be something else? Notice that these bees kill normal bees and completely impervious
to normal bees. They also will kill the entire colonies of normal bees!
This site seems to keep track of AB News and is very interesting:...
Many other basic AHB traits include:
frequent swarming to establish new nests
minimal hoarding of honey
the ability to survive on sparse supplies of pollen and nectar
moving their entire colony readily (abscond) if food is scarce
exploiting new habitats very quickly and is not particular about its nesting site.
a highly defensive nature
responding more quickly and more bees sting
sensing a threat from people or animals 50 feet or more from their nest
sensing vibrations from power equipment 100 feet or more from nest
pursuing a perceived enemy 1/4 mile or more
Africanized Honey Bees are dangerous because they attack intruders in numbers much greater than European Honey Bees. Since their introduction into Brazil, they have killed some 1,000 humans, with victims receiving ten times as many stings than from the European strain. They react to disturbances ten times faster than European Honey Bees, and will chase a person a quarter of a mile.
* 1,000 deaths in Brazil alone!?!? Maybe it is not reported elsewhere, i.e. is this info being suppressed?
* What about animals?
Other concerns with Africanized Honey Bees are the effects on the honey industry (with an annual value of $140 million dollars) and general pollination of orchards and field crops (with an annual value of $10 billion dollars). Interbred colonies of European and Africanized honey bees may be more aggressive, excessively abandon the nest, and not survive the winters. Further, beekeepers may not continue their business of honey production if faced with aggressive bees. The packaged bee and queen rearing industries are in the southern United States, which would affect the honey industry across the continent. Additionally, several researchers have shown that native solitary and social bee species are outcompeted by the introduced Honey Bee. It is possible that many species of native bees have or will go extinct as a consequence of the ecological dominance of these introduced bees.
The above bold seems to support the theory that AHB cannot survive winters as EHB are better at honey hoarding...
Africanized and European honeybees exhibit different foraging strategies (largely tropical versus temperate attributes). Africanized honeybee colonies in Africa, and now in much of the Neotropics, are attuned to finding and exploiting isolated mass-flowering tropical trees, and also use pollen and nectar from the nocturnal flowers of bat-pollinated flowering plants. Some tropical Apis species even migrate to follow nectar and pollen flows across the floral landscape. Consequently, these bees depend on increased colony mobility (reproductive swarming and abandoning the hive) as behavioral responses to seasonal floral richness or dearths. EHBs are better at hoarding vast amounts of honey and surviving long, cold winters.
Ok... so they want "fix the problem with EHB disappearance" by creating E/A-HB hybrids thatStatewide, OR -- OREGON EXPECTS A BEE STING -- Many believe it's too cold in Oregon for Africanized killer bees to survive... but they'll have an impact here anyway. Oregon State University bee specialist Mike Burgett says honey bees are being trucked from Oregon to California... where they will mate with African bees. The result is a hybrid that has some of the aggressive traits of killer bees. Burgett expects the hybrid to be a problem for people in Oregon... but less so than in warmer climates. (States News Service, 8/7/98)
from http://extension.usu.edu/insect/fs/africani.htmdant said:* 1,000 deaths in Brazil alone!?!? Maybe it is not reported elsewhere, i.e. is this info being suppressed?
Oregon State University bee specialist Mike Burgett says honey bees are being trucked from Oregon to California... where they will mate with African bees. The result is a hybrid that has some of the aggressive traits of killer bees. Burgett expects the hybrid to be a problem for people in Oregon... but less so than in warmer climates. (States News Service, 8/7/98)
Where is your data for "they want to fix the problem with EHB disappearance" by creating E/A-HB hybrids?" This seems more like a leap of logic based upon a rather paranoid assumption. (I think the major problem of a society run by pathological types is that the paranoia bleeds into and contaminates ordinary thought. This doesn't mean we don't need to be paranoid, but certainly, don't let it take over!) The thing that some scholarly types fail to see from their ivory tower is that the earth native flora and fauna have a certain intelligence, and will 'evolve' to suit the habitat in which they arise. Farmers have always exploited an ability to mix and interbreed species, to maximize crop potential. So,(Occam's razor, and all) they could just have been trying to introduce a bee that would make better honey in the tropics, by importing a bee from a hotter clime. And, yeah, sometimes the effort gets out of hand, and, lacking predators, an introduced species will kind of take over. So, at first the 'african-ness' holds true, and they agressively seek out new food. That is their nature. And sometimes they will breed with the gentler, northern honeybee, making the domestic kind more agressive. That is one way this can play out. And certainly, in evolutionary times, 50-60 years is nothing.dant said:Ok... so they want "fix the problem with EHB disappearance" by creating E/A-HB hybrids that
inherits AHB traits (EM/GM/disease resistance) with the that of EHB traits (hoarding(winter survival/doctility)
which is a better bee? If they had known about this "problem" for some time(1998 or more?), why the panic
now? Did the fail to create this hybrid or is it something else?
Weird bee disappearance ideas and myths abound: K-Fed, cell phones, rapture and Einstein
BELTSVILLE, Md. - The answer to what happened to America’s vanishing honeybees is simple, a caller told entomologist May Berenbaum: Bee rapture. They were called away to heaven.
No, wait, it’s Earth’s magnetic field, another caller told the University of Illinois professor.
And when Berenbaum went on the Internet, she found a parody news site that quoted her as blaming rapper Kevin Federline and his concerts for the disappearance of the bees. Berenbaum loved it.
The sudden disappearance of one-quarter of America’s honeybees has brought out some strange ideas and downright myths.
"I just can’t get any work done," Berenbaum said. "I’m overwhelmed by e-mails. I can’t keep up."
A couple of bee myths are big on the Internet.
A small German scientific study looking at a specific type of cordless phones and homing systems of bees exploded over the Internet and late night television shows. It morphed into erroneous reports blaming cell phones for the honeybee die-off, which scientists are calling Colony Collapse Disorder.
The scientist who wrote the paper, Stefan Kimmel, e-mailed The Associated Press to say that there is "no link between our tiny little study and the CCD-phenomenon ... anything else said or written is a lie." And U.S. Department of Agriculture top bee researcher Jeff Pettis laughs at the idea, because whenever he goes out to investigate dead bees, he cannot get a signal on his cell phone because the hives are in such remote areas.
Also on the Internet is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein on how humans would die off in four years if not for honeybees. It’s wrong on two counts.
First, Einstein probably never said it, according to Alice Calaprice, author of "The Quotable Einstein" and five other books on the physicist.
"I’ve never come across it in anything Einstein has written," Calaprice said. "it could be that someone had made it up and put Einstein’s name on it."
Second, it’s incorrect scientifically, Pettis said. There would be food left for humans because some food is wind-pollinated.
For his part, Pettis jokes that the bees are out creating crop circles "and it’s working them to death."
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Now there is only one little glitch in this theory...Asian Parasite is bee killer
A parasite common in Asian bees has spread to Europe and the Americas and is behind the mass disappearance of honeybees in many countries. According to researchers who have analysed thousands of samples from stricken hives in many countries, the culprit is microscopic parasite called nosema ceranae.
the researchers sytarted with the hypothesis that it was pesticides but soon ruled it out as bee colonies were also dying in areas many miles from cultivated land. Then they sequenced a parasite's DNA and discovered that the assassin was an Asian variant, nosema ceranae, which lives in heat and cold. Asian honeybees are less vulnerable to it but it can kill European bees in a matter of days in laboratory conditions.