Hostage to the Devil, Malachi Martin/Glimpses of the Devil ,Scott Peck

[pinkfreud]

I find really important the understanding of the demonic possesion on every day life, nowadays. The tricks of getting a person possesed are worth of a corruption handbook, and the exorcism, at a basic level, a very tested way out of this corruption.
We have constant shelling of "let the corruption in", ( granting inferior free access to superior ), coming from mass media, daily or hourly biased news, and futile ways of living and thinking, all backed from elites.

I share this sentiment, altomaltes.

I was raised Catholic - though I say that loosely. What I mean is, much of my family has Irish Catholic roots, and so the tradition was respected if not practiced devoutly. My parents didn’t practice, but my great uncle helped fund my education at a small Catholic school from first through fifth grade.
In that time, I attended church every Wednesday and Friday with my classmates.

Of course, as a child, the notion if demons and exorcisms seemed particularly fascinating, though the church and curriculum did not place any focus or importance on these stories particularly.

I am not a practicing Catholic now, and in fact I haven’t participated in the church since my confirmation as a teenager. I have always been grateful for the experience though, particularly because the priest at the time was very kind and compassionate, and he was good at explaining the messages in the Bible as what we as children could do to become better.

As far as demons go: I have always appreciated the significance of the demon giving up its name, and of that act as a sort of turning point in working through the possession. On a more mundane level, it is the same sort of turning point we reach when we finally identify the root of a problem. Once a person identifies the broken part of a thing, the broken step of a process, or the fault in logic, then we are able to mend and adapt and progress.

And while the elites are surely meddling in all things, I think it is important to remember that we don’t need their influence to fall prey to possession - at least at this point. Non-elite society and our own psychological conditioning are, at this point, self-sustaining in their corruption unless we become aware and have some sense of the steps we can take.
So, while I am not ordained and certainly don’t carry holy water around, I have found the principles of the biblical stories as well as the modern rite of exorcism to be a fine symbolic rubric when clearing my own stagnant or malignant energy.

 

[Gwenllian]

The James Delingpole Channel published a new podcast with Jerry Marzinsky last month. I haven't watched it yet, but I did watch the first one that was mentioned in this thread. The follow-up video also has a guest who overcame his schizophrenia. (Apparently, the video is not available, although I can see it on my YT page.)

The shadow people brought to mind the Castenada’s flyers. Or the glimpse of movement one sometimes has out of the corner of your eye.

If I'm not mistaken Castenada said that we have to go absolutely quiet internally, no fear, in order to make them go away. Jerry Marzinsky repeated the same thing when dealing with these voices and also said that he was reading Castenada before (or about the same time?) he started this very important work.

I was very glad to hear that, because he couldn't talk to anybody about what he was doing, not even to his wife. Perhaps the knowledge he gained from Castenada's work gave him some protection.

I wasn't sure exactly where to put this. Tucker Carlson actually has a new interview out with a guy named Vince Lampert (a Friar, I think) who speaks about his experience performing exorcisms!

Fun fact: The Roman Catholic church used Rue (Ruta Graveolens) in the ritual of exorcism. They must have been on to something, as the Chinese used it to counteract negative thoughts OSIT.

Rue was used in rituals involving curses and the popular expression, but it was also said to be a protection against the evil spells of witches and Rue was once used by the Roman Catholic Church in the ritual of exorcism!

The Chinese used it to counteract negative thoughts or wishes.

Celtic magicians said that rue provided a defense against spells and could be used to promote healing.

I don't know how valid the following is, but according to a phase IV clinical study of FDA data on eHealthMe:

We study 1,359 people who take Ruta graveolens or have Morbid thoughts. No report of Morbid thoughts is found in people who take Ruta graveolens.

 

[Voyageur]

Fun fact: The Roman Catholic church used Rue (Ruta Graveolens) in the ritual of exorcism. They must have been on to something, as the Chinese used it to counteract negative thoughts OSIT.

Interesting. And noticed from your link, that this Rue is also called the Herb of Grace.

Herb of Grace. Herbygrass. Garden Rue. Herb of repentance. Fue des Jardins (Fr.), Gartenraute (Ger.), Ruta (Ital.)

It also has a Greek meaning:

“Ruta” derives from the Greek word “reuo” meaning “to set free”

The Chinese name is

臭草 (别名: 芸香)

Constituents:

Main constituents
Rue contains max. 1% of an essential oil, whose main components are 2-hendecanone (2-undecanone, methylnonylketone, up to 60%) and 2-nonanone (methylheptylketone) plus several more ketones and corresponding secondary alcohols. Methyl anthranilate and anethole glycol are also reported; terpenoids are represented mainly by limonene, α-pinene, cuminaldehyde and l,8-cineol.

 

[Gwenllian]

I just took some homeopathic Ruta Graveolens to see whether it helps. My thoughts have been particularly negative these past few days, so I am just going to experiment on myself. If it is helpful I will report back in this thread.

 

[Olivierlejardinier]

Can we call this a "failed exorcism" ?
Why in Morocco ?
Very short description from official sources:

"

French couple planning to 'sacrifice' son arrested in Spain​

Spanish authorities on Saturday said they had arrested a French couple earlier in December for planning to "sacrifice" in
the Sahara their five-year-old son, who they believed to be "possessed".

The couple was arrested on December 21 in the southern Spanish port of Algeciras, as the family was about to board a ferry to the Moroccan city of Tangiers.

The Guardia Civil police force said in a statement they had arrested a "couple of French origin" who "intended to murder their five-year-old son in the Sahara, believing him to be possessed".

Both parents had "psychiatric problems" and were the subject of a European arrest warrant for the abduction of a minor, the Guardia Civil added.

The pair have been remanded in custody by a judge in Spain.

The child is in good health and has been sent to a reception centre for minors in Spain before being returned to France."
"

The same dispatch/news translated in spanish and french.

 

[whitecoast]

Today I watched a video by a man who used to practice a lot of Magick based off grimoires and the Ars Goetia. He described a number of harrowing experiences he had working with low or practical magick, and summoning or utilizing demons to accomplish certain work in his life, and why he eventually quit and vowed never to do so again. A lot of this might be a no-brainer to some people who have read The Wave, but I still think it has merit to share about his learnings there.

To summarize, he found that the energy or personality of demons was quite wild, animalistic, and temperamental compared to some of the more "angelic" intelligences he purported to have dealt with, which were composed and had grace, et cetera. In one ritual involving some chief demon of Mars, a subject was required to become a medium for a demon. In the account afterward the acquaintance of the video author said it felt like his mind was placed inside a blender, and while he and his fellow magick enthusiasts went out for dinner after the other went off on his own at night to be alone in himself. That story resonated with the impression I got from Malachi Martin.

In the practice of magick there are practices called lesser and greater banishing rituals, which are purported to clear an individual or room of demons or influences, but he said that even that sometimes doesn't work. Rituals can just be a waste of energy, since I think 99% of the time they just act as hypnotic triggers for certain internal mental or psychological states, which in the context of a "banishing ritual" may just be mental blocking for all we know.

The author describes one method of working with demons which means making a sacrifice or some kind of bargain or arrangement, to do something in exchange for energy or something physical, which suits a lot of those negative intelligences which are drawn to lower vibrational pleasures and so on. Another approached was apparently to "befriend" some entities, in hopes they like you and want to do nice things for you. In the author's experience he finally concluded that demons ultimately are not our friends, that there is always a string attached, even when they do things like help you find a good job or house and so on. This is because ultimately, according to him, their goals is to drag the collaborator down to their own level, to get their hooks and feeding tubes into you and bring you under their own control, to either use you in the spiritual war taking place on earth or to take you off the chess board entirely if you're too big a threat. The author has described situations where he would bargain with a demon, then go back on his word, and this was followed by a manifestation of all kinds of high strangeness and outright hostility from all sorts of corners in his life: romantic, financial, vehicular, familiar, personal health, the works. He has even had apparitions of people knocking at his door at 2am while working on a ritual.

Eventually he stopped working with demons and sought more what he called his own inner light to guide him, concluding that ultimately he did not need demons and that he was signing away his own divine spark and power in collaborating with them, instead of cultivating his own relationship with the divine power. To me this sounds similar to making a choice about being STS or STO, and that by making a decision you are moving into and participating in a reality guided more by that principle. Since swearing off demons and focusing more on his own inner growth and relationship with the divine, cultivating humility and so on, he has felt that there have been less and less noticeable infiltrations of negative energy into his life.

 

[truepositive]

There is a structure, and it makes sense most of the time. Consistency is key it seems which is funny because it goes back to things like Orson Scott Card's 'rules for writing sci-fi and fantasy'. I am increasingly convinced of the notion that there is no ultimate dualistic 'judgement' of actions and thoughts, rather a balancing mechanism that acts out through all things automatically, at least on this density.

Michael Moorcock wrote about a vision of the x'th density instead. It only works for the ones that can visualize without limits; Norway re-imagined. It also collapes back into itself if the 'imagineers' falter.

There are multiple entities trying to claim the current level of reality as theirs. Anselm was probably correct ontologically.

 

[Seamus]

I think I unconsciously reading Hostage to the Devil all these years, but I finally got around to it in the last month. I have a long commute right now so I got the audiobook and listened to it in bits and pieces with breaks when it got too heavy for me. Wanted to share a few thoughts/observations...

This was definitely a heavy, difficult read for me. I had to take frequent breaks early on but it became easier as I got deeper into it. I think I become a bit desensitized, or maybe understood better what was happening after the first couple of cases, so by the last case I was mostly interested rather than horrified.

I think I was most struck by how the themes in the cases of possession are reflected at the macro level in modern America and the West in general. I'm sure this will be nothing new for readers of this forum, but there's something about slogging through a 21 hour audiobook or 450 pages that really makes it sink in.

There are five cases discussed in detail:

• Marianne and The Smiler
• Father Jonathan and Father David and Mister Natch
• Richard/Rita and the Girl-Fixer
• Jamsie vs Uncle Ponto and Multus
• Carl vs Tortoise

IMO the most important parts of the book are the "Brief Handbook of Exorcism" at the beginning and the "Manual of Possession" at the end of the book.

Father Martin explains that he chose contemporary cases because they illustrate "the way in which personal and intelligent evil moves cunningly along the lines of contemporary fads and interests".

• The Smiler insists there is no difference between good and evil, being and nonbeing, and all values are subjective. Moral values are confused with absence of values.
• Mister Natch convinces Fathers David and Yves/Jonathan that "all mysteries can be given "natural" explanations" ie materialism and rationalsim are primary reality. Mystery is confused with untruth.
• The Girl-Fixer case revolves around sex, gender and human love "A bird doesn't fly because it has wings, it has wings because it flies". Sex is confused with gender.
• Uncle Ponto preys on Jamsie's loneliness , individualism, selfishness and isolation.
• The Tortoise leads Carl to confusion about spirit and psyche and Carl believes that everything from the spirit realm must be good and divine and trustworthy, just as we see in the New Age movement. Spirit is confused with spyche.

Any regular reader of this forum will easily see how each case relates closely to different social movements and ideologies. It is no wonder that more and more people are saying that our society is demonically possessed!

There is great value is suffering through this book, but it is not for the faint of heart.

 

[Ennio]

Any regular reader of this forum will easily see how each case relates closely to different social movements and ideologies. It is no wonder that more and more people are saying that our society is demonically possessed!

Much agreed. If exacerbating and feeding into the worst tendencies of some segments of the population - via intelligence agency-run media disinformation and psy-ops, infiltration of education, co-opting of political and social movements, etc. - is a reflection of the 'above' - then it makes sense (to me) that there have been egregores established (or something like it) to help divide and conquer humanity en masse.

And what is an egregore really but a massive hyperdimensional feeding tube that seeks to influence, and even possess, great numbers of people with negative information and malevolent entities towards a larger agenda of control and self-destruction. As you say though, more and more pundits and commentators DO percieve the 'demonic' element of what we're seeing - which then seems to have the result of drawing more individuals to speak out about it and, in may cases, suggest to their audiences that they seek God for protection and strength. It seems to me that more and more pundits and influencers are speaking of these topics all the time now, which is encouraging.