How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[axj]

One and two density beings would exist in physicality without humans and evolve because they are in concert with higher consciousness instructing growth through cosmic forces.

Would 2D beings be in physicality at all (shortwave cycle) without 3D beings who chose physicality, instead of an ethereal longwave cycle?

This makes me wonder now if there’s something akin to an organic portal for 1st to 2nd density, what about from 3rd to 4th

Since OPs are the natural progression from 2D to 3D, I suppose all beings or group souls who recently graduated to a higher density are the equivalent of OPs.

 

[John G]

1D through 3D would probably not fit vibrationally in 4D. I think the densities are sort of a "vertical progression", while each density also has different "horizontal" worlds - physical, ethereal, astral, etc.

From the 8/28/99 session:

Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in
trying to write this history of mankind. As I understand it, or
as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to the
'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that
correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space
continuum, etc.

They've also said there will be birds singing in some fashion in 4th density. The sort of/some fashion is maybe a bidensity thing of sorts. It's like we have birds and rocks here with us in the same physics environment but there is an awareness difference. The physics environment for 4th density may be via Ark a degenerate metric but the awareness of the lower than 4th density denizens would make the experience different for each density. The thing that's a little odd is that perhaps 3D STO is stuck being ethereal before the Fall while 3D STS is stuck being physical until the Wave.

 

[msasa79]

Yes, the two answers from the C's regarding the longwave cycle seem to contradict each other (maybe a transmission error in early sessions).

Frankly, I do not see contradiction there; long wave cycles of existence are of two varieties: purely ethereal and purely physical.

For example, on 6D they are ethereal and of STO polarization or magnetization like the C's and other unified thought forms there, as there is no physicality above 4D and STS does not really exist on 6D except as a kind of a reflection and balancing concept, but not as an individual being per se.
On the 'other side' of creation, 1D and 2D beings on a long wave cycles of existence might be purely physical, even maybe long wave cycles of 1D and 2D could be only purely physical, and without a STO vs STS polarization or magnetization per se as that soul choice becomes actualized on an individual level from 3D up.

That long wave cycles there on lower awareness density levels could be only purely physical is inferred on the basis that 1D represents mineral world which is basically of physical nature and endowed with just a basic 'individual' consciousness or awareness or soul imprints. If something that the C's referred to as elementals also represent a 1D beings, then long wave cycles of existence on 1D (and 2D) could also naturally be purely ethereal.

As I see it, 1D and 2D beings, short and long wave cycles of existence alike, do not involve individualized soul 'progression', as there are no individualized souls there, but what 'moves' toward reunion with the DCM is the soul pool of the species or let's say their collective consciousness, until it reaches the 3D where 'first' individualization or particularization of that collectiveness occurs.

It is still in a bit of a haze though what actually happens when a pet, a dog or a cat for example, of a 3D human being reaches the threshold of 3D through its interactions with the human owner, like the C's said about Laura's dog for example. Is that particular pet's consciouness incarnated 'next' as a 3D human on Earth as that's the only genetic configuration or body that sustains 3D soul matrix on our planet, at least to my understanding, or on some other place in universe where genetic bodies exist that are more suitable for a 3D dog-like or cat-like soul matrices? That one particular 2D beings' consciousness that reached the threshold of 3D individualized soul could 'bring' the whole soul pool of that collective to the 'next' awareness density level in the same environment does not seem very realistic, especially as we have preadamic humans here as a sort of a bridge between 2D and 3D, but it doesn't seem completely impossible though.

But, I guess that line of inquiry falls in sort of off topic area of this thread.

 

[Fluffy]

Transcripts state as viri to be transdensity , so below 3rd i'd say no similar thing to OP's , and no individuation as well which possibly makes it the same with regards to 3rd to 4th transition as well , though this later one may be variable , among other circumstances such as 2nd density transitioning along 3rd to 4th , which transcripts state as possible . My 2x cents.

On one of my mushroom trips many many moons ago I tuned into a blade of grass. For that moment I was that blade of grass, I was taller and stronger than the other blades and I’d reached the point of consciousness where I no longer wanted to be a plant anymore and was signalling in grass language that ‘I’m ready to move forward’ to the animal world.

I’d love to know the process of how that evolution happened.

 

[Fluffy]

Would 2D beings be in physicality at all (shortwave cycle) without 3D beings who chose physicality, instead of an ethereal longwave cycle?

May be it’s more like, would 3D beings exist in short wave without the impetus of 4D beings who are our physical creators? What a loaded question

Didn’t the C’s say 6th density creates worlds and 4th density creates the creature that inhabit them?

 

[msasa79]

May be it’s more like, would 3D beings exist in short wave without the impetus of 4D beings who are our physical creators? What a loaded question

Didn’t the C’s say 6th density creates worlds and 4th density creates the creature that inhabit them?

4D STS might have created our genetic bodies, but they didn't create us as in our souls. We as souls have chosen to experience physicality as a part of duality of short wave cycles in the STS environment, in part for the sake of faster rate of progression compared to the long wave cycles of STO ethereal type we were probably 'inhabiting' before the Fall.

The C's said that 4D STS provided the genetic physical bodies and were 'waiting' for the right soul matrices to 'jump in'. By entering those bodies as our 'new' physical vehicles, we as souls changed their genetics, and 'then' STS 4D altered the bodies which affected us as souls inhabiting them.

That's the short version of what I understood of the C's 'human creation story' shared by Laura in the Wave series.

 

[Ruth]

I thought the "short wave cycle" implied STS and "long wave cycle" implied STO? The "short wave cycle" puts stress on an organism forcing (or shall we say 'encouraging') them to change and adapt. The "long wave cycle" doesn't do that and so things stay the same for long periods of time. I could be wrong about that, though.

 

[axj]

Frankly, I do not see contradiction there; long wave cycles of existence are of two varieties: purely ethereal and purely physical.

That's not what the C's said in either of those two sessions though.

I thought the "short wave cycle" implied STS and "long wave cycle" implied STO?

I think the C's mentioned that there are 3D STO physical (short wave cycle) planets too:

November 26, 1994

Q: (T) Is there a 3D race in this universe that is STO?

A: Yes. Already stated thus.

Q: (L) If there are planets with STO beings...

A: Some look like you.

 

[Fluffy]

That's not what the C's said in either of those two sessions though.

They said that the short wave cycle is half physical half ethereal and that the purpose of it was for those souls that wanted to speed up their growth and knowledge.
Below suggests that flora and fauna exist in both long wave and short wave and their evolution is also sped up through the short wave interaction of the group mind choosing physicality.



October, 22 1994

Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?

A: By choice.

Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?

A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind decision.

Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?

A: The group.

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?

A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.

Q: (L) And what are these by-products?

A: Which one first?

Q: (L) Positive.

A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle

 

[Ricardo]

fwiw , there's also a problem of a non-linear perception, opposite of which is "derived" from partly genetic construct / partly consciousness this limits how 3rd density humans might perceive density progression , and perhaps validating it nonetheless , that souls are never created ( per transcripts ), like in a true fractal manifestation.

I think the C's mentioned that there are 3D STO physical (short wave cycle) planets too:

Session 26 November 1994:

(...)

Q: (L) Is there a 3rd level representative of the forces of the light?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who or what are they?

A: Don't exist on your planet.

Q: (L) Do they have a planet of their own?

A: Have quadrillions of them.

(...)

 

[bozadi]

I also wonder about the answers to some good questions stated here, especially regarding the issue of long versus short wave cycle.

Not sure whether there's a simple answer to T.C.'s question on how humanity's shortwave presence on Earth causes 1D and 2D beings to switch from long to short wave experience. The higher intentionally or unintentionally imposes some basic experiential conditions on the lower? Decades ago, Ra said that the planet has already entered 4D, and apparently this will cause a majority of humans who are in need of a repetition of 3D to have to go to other planets which can offer such 3D experience because 4D Earth can no longer host a learning cycle in 3D. Maybe this is a similar, natural imposition?

I'm also annoyed by my ongoing uncertainy about whether the long wave cycle involves reincarnation, and whether reincarnation has to involve a physical body. I think Ra says the incarnational process was basically the same in the pre-veil cycle, which I believe is the same thing as the long wave cycle. Although the C's' statement that the short wave cycle as opposed to the long one involves reincarnation, maybe this doesn't necessarily mean that the long one doesn't involve reincarnation? Maybe the difference is that the reincarnation process in the long one doesn't involve a physical body?

Q: So, you seem to be suggesting that the real trick is to just become non-attached to anything and anybody, do nothing, and just dissolve into nothing? No thought, no want, no do, no be, no anything!

A: If you are STS, that does not fit, but, if you did exactly that, you would reincarnate in an STO realm, where such energy does fit.

Q: But, if you have become nothing, how do you reincarnate? And, when you say 'reincarnate,' that implies being in a body!

A: You do not become nothingness.

Q: But, being incarnated means being in a body?

A: No.

Q: You mean moving into a realm that does not necessarily mean being in a body?

A: Close. But 4th density is partially physical. Does not consume nor possess.

I'm not sure if the above statement by the C's can come to mean that the long wave cycle also involves reincarnation (without a physical body).

The above quote also reminded me of this:

Q: (J) You can always go home. (L) You have always had the power to go home...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?

A: Yes.

So, maybe the C's meant a return to reincarnating in 3D in the "long wave cycle"? I'm not sure about what I'm talking about, just wanted to share it as a possible food for thought.

being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal,

it seems self-evident that longwave cycles include either purely ethereal or purely physical type of existence, while shortwave cycles include both, i.e. the duality.

I must admit that the idea of "long wave cycle experience on the physical plane" sounds strange to me since the C's seem to have specifically mentioned that the long one, as oppossed to the short one, is purely etheric. The idea that the long wave cycle involves "either purely ethereal or purely physical type of existence" can be a possibility to think over, but I believe we should try to consider other possibilities too. Does the C's statement "flora and fauna would experience a long wave cycle on the physical plane" necessarily mean that flora and fauna would then have "physical bodies"? Again, I'm not sure at all about what I'm talking about but maybe something causes flora and fauna to be somehow connected to a physical plane even in their long wave cycle experience? Do I remember correctly that humanity was somehow connected to the planet Earth even long before their "fall" from STO to STS (like they were in an etheric plane of the planet)? If that is the case, can there be a correlation or similarity between the cases of flora & fauna and humans?

 

[T.C.]

Short wave cycle refers to the overall progression of an individual over multiple lifetimes, not just a single life:

June 10, 1995:

remember, as we have described to you before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycle recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable.

 

[bozadi]

Another possibility: Maybe flora and fauna could experience long wave cycle "in physical bodies"? Maybe the "purely etheric" quality of the long wave applies to 3D but not to 1D and 2D due to an essential difference between 3D and the previous two (individuated soul/consciousness)?

 

[msasa79]

That's not what the C's said in either of those two sessions though.

You seem to be 'forcefully' limiting the possibilities to long wave cycles being only ethereal and short wave cycles being only physical, which clearly is not the case as Fluffy showed above. It also showed that the C's denoted long wave cycles of possibly two 'distinct' kinds, purely ethereal and also physical, in the same session and in overall context that made the conclusion about their two varieties not only reasonable, but even probable. In addition, in that same session short wave cycles were described and referred to as ethereal/physical, that is involving duality, being neither purely physical nor purely ethereal.

In other words, beings being on long wave cycles of purely ethereal existence would experience physicality (for half of the cycle) when changing to short wave cycles, and beings being on long wave cycles of purely physical existence would experience ethereal kind of existence (for half of the cycle) when changed to short wave cycles via for example interaction with 3D humans who changed from purely ethereal long wave cycles to dual short wave cycles of existence to experience that physicality for half of their 'newly' experienced dual short wave cycles.

So, a question could be posed, is there an underlying belief that prevents you from considering and examining the possibility presented above?

 

[msasa79]

Short wave cycle refers to the overall progression of an individual over multiple lifetimes, not just a single life:

I'm reading the phrase "short wave cycle recycling" as repeating the 'individual' short wave cycle, which leads to conclusion that one iteration or occurence of a short wave cycle is de facto one individual incarnation.

As a non-native English speaker, it is surely possible that my reading is limited in understanding or even completely misinterpreting what the C's said.

Could you please rectify my possible errors in understanding with an interpretation of a native English speaking person?