How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[T.C.]

I'm reading the phrase "short wave cycle recycling" as repeating the 'individual' short wave cycle, which leads to conclusion that one iteration or occurence of a short wave cycle is de facto one individual incarnation.

As a non-native English speaker, it is surely possible that my reading is limited in understanding or even completely misinterpreting what the C's said.

Could you please rectify my possible errors in understanding with an interpretation of a native English speaking person?

It's funny, because every time I think I see clearly in a session something that confirms my interpretation, I read your responses and see that it can also be your interpretation.

Here is my working definition, which has been helped by the discussion in this thread so far:

'A short wave cycle is one option of progression for an individual entity and/or group soul on their journey towards reunion with the one. It is distinct from a long wave cycle because a long wave cycle involves either only physical, or only ethereal existence. A short wave cycle involves multiple incarnations.'

Another clue that I will use to argue for the veracity of the last part of that statement is in this sentence from an above quote: "And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable."

I read this as to mean that the short wave cycle is a single thing in relation to the reincarnations that are involved in it. We could restructure the sentence in the following way, and I believe that it would retain the same meaning:

'On the short wave cycle, reincarnation of various types are always possible, and in fact quite probable'.

In both statements, the term 'short wave cycle' is singular in its relation to a plurality of incarnations. Therefore, one experiences multiple incarnations over the course of a single short wave cycle.

 

[Mari]

Not sure if I fully understand the conversation.

My idea is/was that 1D and 2D are part of a Grand Cycle and as such live and die - when in short wave cycle - as part of the experience/lesson.
With 3D souled beings, I imagined that 1D and 2D perhaps could have more so to say "accelerated" path of learning because of the interaction with souled beings.

I quite like this video where it says:

the 1D directive is to learn to combine in ways forming primitive biological organisms.

2D must master biological life survival and adaptation, competition and group organization.

The boundary between 2D and 3D are OPs that are designed to host 2D individual soul for a try-out period, but I always wondered if the boundary between 1D and 2D are crystals or viruses? Crystals are first to form organised structures, while viruses are on the edge of life and non-live - they can be dormant until activated.

In any case, as the Cs said that "The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence" and now writing this, I wonder if 1D might live on "forever" in a short wave cycle, as a sleeping matter.

I cannot imagine 2D creatures being only on a long cycle as they also have a role to play in the grand evolution of the soul, and also as per the quote above "2D must master biological life survival and adaptation, competition and group organization" which implies the necessity of being incarnated in a body, whether it is animal or a plant.

Or maybe I misunderstood the conversation completely.

 

[T.C.]

I have another theory, sparked by something Moine said. But I'm very frustrated because it relies on something else the C's said at one point as a foundation, and I've spent all morning looking for the quote and I can't find it.

But there's other considerations and intricacies of that little passage from the transcripts which are easily had. For one, if you're at the 3rd grade, have you forgotten the lessons of the 1st and 2nd grades? If not, then what are they?

Apparently, this isn't actually how the progress of the group soul happens. According to the C's, we don't progress through every density starting from 1D. Instead, what happened was that when the group soul decided to enter into physical existence, part of it went into 1D, part into 2D part into 3D, to experience all these levels simultaneously.

When I read the above quote from Moine, I remembered this. And now I'm wondering if I might have an answer to the question in the title of thread.

'Before the group soul came into physical existence on earth in order to experience a short wave cycle and accelerate it's overall progression towards the one, there were 1st and 2nd density entities here experiencing existence on a long wave cycle. However, when the group soul arrived, it entered into 1st, 2nd and 3rd density instantiations of existence - rocks and minerals, flora and fauna, human bodies. And so, due to this 'interaction', 1st and 2nd density entities changed from a long wave cycle, to a short wave one, because they too became inhabited by the group soul.'

As I said, this idea rests on me finding the quote I'm looking for.

I do like Moine's idea that the long wave cycle for 1D and 2D entities was disrupted by human manipulation of them. It's perfectly logical. I have an intuition though that the switch from long to short wave for them was instantaneous with the arrival of humans, not gradual over a period of time afterwards, which is why I'm considering this other idea.

 

[SasaM]

I do like Moine's idea that the long wave cycle for 1D and 2D entities was disrupted by human manipulation of them. It's perfectly logical. I have an intuition though that the switch from long to short wave for them was instantaneous with the arrival of humans, not gradual over a period of time afterwards, which is why I'm considering this other idea.

This does seem "perfectly logical", even when looking at it from very simplified kind of materialistic PoV.

Just by being here we modify the planet's e-m field, by imprinting our signature on it, which in its turn permeates every thing on the planet, living and non-living alike. Just by that 'act', the very instance we came here was felt all over the planet by all the denizens of this 'material' realm.

By being in the bodies, our souls take part in the consciousness of bodily 'ingredients', from electrons of electrical activity in our brains and nervous systems, over various individual living cells, to organs and tissues storing our sensational and emotional memories. Our skins 'emit' a bunch of our cells in the environment each moment, by perspiration we fill the atmosphere with our breaths, each carrying with itself a material stamped by the presence of the consciousness in the body it originated from. By digestion and secretion we leave our mark continously on newly ingested foods and waters we drink, while making our hard core presence known wherever we leave our footprints.
All that, and probably more, without even entering the area of impacts and changes in cognition on planetary scales that had likely happened when 3D human mind joined others on the Earth's stage.

In short, just by joining in marriage with our genetic physical bodies, our souls assumed their parts 'simultaneously' on 1D, 2D and 3D awareness levels on the planet Earth. Or at least it seems so to me.

 

[Ricardo]

I do like Moine's idea that the long wave cycle for 1D and 2D entities was disrupted by human manipulation of them. It's perfectly logical. I have an intuition though that the switch from long to short wave for them was instantaneous with the arrival of humans, not gradual over a period of time afterwards, which is why I'm considering this other idea.

This goes inline to what the tradition ( ie gnosis )says of man being the ruler of earthly domain , all below 3rd density , the major diference with regards to 4th vis a vis 3rd is choice , since that is a lesson to be learned beforehand . ( i think)

 

[Wandering Star]

A litlle bit of Ra:

Session 13 January 29, 1981

QUESTIONER: Thank you. Can you say what is first known in creation?

RA: I am Ra. The first known in creation is infinity. Infinity is creation.

QUESTIONER: So from that infinity must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step, or further evolution?

RA: I am Ra. Infinity became conscious; that was the next step.

QUESTIONER: And then, what happened next?

RA: I am Ra. Consciousness led to the focusing of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibratory sound complexes, the most commonly used being "Logos," or "Love." The Creator is the focusing of infinity as a knowing or conscious principle, which we call, in the closest way we can find from understanding/learning your language, "intelligent infinity."

QUESTIONER: Can you explain the next step?

RA: I am Ra. The next step continues to achieve its progression in this space/time nexus of your illusion, as you can see it. It is an infinite reaction to the creative principle that follows the Law of One in one of its fundamental distortions: free will. Thus, many, many dimensions are possible, infinite in number. Energy advances from intelligent infinity, due first to the irruption of a random creative force, creating patterns that, in holographic style, appear as creation in its entirety, regardless of the direction or energy explored. These energy patterns then begin to regulate their own local rhythms and energy fields, so to speak, thus creating dimensions and universes.
QUESTIONER: So, can Session 13 January 29, 1981 say how galaxies and planetary systems formed?

RA: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap in thought in asking this question, for in the realm of the answer to the previous question, the physical universes, as you call them, had not yet been born. The energies advanced in increasingly intelligent patterns, until the individualization of the diverse energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such that they became Cocreators. Thus began what is known as physical matter. The concept of light is crucial to understanding this great leap of thought, for this vibratory distortion of infinity is the cornerstone of what is known as matter. Light is intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity ever summoned by the creative principle.
This light of love was created in such a way that it contains within its manifestations of being certain characteristics, among them infinite totality, paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the form taken by the various entities of physical illusion that you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets of a rotating nature and lenticular tendency.
QUESTIONER: I believe I have made an error in advancing the process you were describing. Would it be helpful to remedy this great leap resulting from this error?

RA: I am Ra. I have tried to fill that void. However, you may ask in any way you see fit.

QUESTIONER: Returning to the question I asked just before the one regarding galaxies and planets, what step is next?

RA: I am Ra. The steps, as you say, are, at the time to which the question refers, simultaneous and infinite.

QUESTIONER: Can you say how intelligent infinity (I have difficulty expressing this), how intelligent infinity individualized from itself?

RA: I am Ra. Good question.
Intelligent infinity discerned a concept. That concept was discerned free of the will to become conscious. That concept was finitude. This has been the first or fundamental paradoxical distortion of the Law of One. Thus, intelligent infinity engaged in the exploration of multiplicity. Given the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no end to multiplicity. Exploration, therefore, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present.

QUESTIONER: Was the galaxy we are in created by infinite intelligence, or by a part of it?

RA: I am Ra. The galaxy and the rest of the material objects of which you are aware are products of individualized parts of intelligent infinity. Each exploration initiated in turn found its point of focus and became Co-Creator. By utilizing intelligent infinity, each portion created a universe, and by allowing the rhythms of free choice to flow, playing with the infinite spectrum of possibilities, each individualized portion channeled love/light into what you might call intelligent energy, thus creating the so-called Natural Laws of any given universe.
In turn, each universe has individualized into a point of focus, becoming, at the same time, a Co-creator and allowing diversity to continue, thus creating new intelligent energies that regulate or bring about the emergence of Natural Laws in the vibrational patterns of what you would call a solar system. Thus, each solar system has its own local coordinated system of illusory Natural Laws, so to speak. It must be understood that every portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in a hologram, the One Creator, Who is Infinity. This is how everything begins and ends in mystery.

QUESTIONER: Can you explain how individualized Infinity created our galaxy, and if so, how this same portion created our planetary system?

RA: I am Ra. Perhaps we have misperceived your question.
We had the distortion/impression that we had answered that specific question. Can you rephrase it?

QUESTIONER: Was the planetary system we are in now created all at once, or was our sun created first and then the planets?

RA: I am Ra. The process unfolds from the largest, in your illusion, to the smallest. Thus, the Co-Creator, in individualizing the galaxy, created energy patterns that were focused on multiple sources of other awarenesses of intelligent infinity. Therefore, the solar system you inhabit has its own patterns, rhythms, and natural laws that are unique to it. However, the progression is from the spiral energy of the galaxy to the spiral energy of the sun, to the planetary spiral energy, to the circumstances of the spiral energy experience that initiates the first density of the awareness of planetary entities.

(...)

Add to this in my own words (I'm going to paraphrase) the C's response:

"If someone didn't dream about you, you wouldn't exist."

 

[SasaM]

Add to this in my own words (I'm going to paraphrase) the C's response:

"If someone didn't dream about you, you wouldn't exist."

One of those instances of remarkable coincidences between the C's and Ibn al-'Arabi.

Rational thinkers will never gain true knowledge of God as long as they cannot grasp that God is similar through His self-disclosure just as He is incomparable in His Essence. This similarity is not a matter of poetic "imagery," but of "imaginalization" in an ontological mode. God actually manifests Himself in the forms of self-disclosure, forms which make up the contents of the cosmos and our minds. God "imaginalizes" Himself everywhere; wherever we look, we perceive His "dream." Or again: The words of God are in and around us, since we and the cosmos are the articulations of the Breath of the All-merciful.

Verification shows that the forms of the cosmos - which belong to the Real in respect to the name the "Nonmanifest" - are the forms of a dream to the Dreamer. The interpretation of the dream is that those forms are His states, nothing else. In the same way, the forms of a dream are the states of the dreamer, nothing else. Hence He sees only Himself.

This goes inline to what the tradition ( ie gnosis )says of man being the ruler of earthly domain , all below 3rd density , the major diference with regards to 4th vis a vis 3rd is choice , since that is a lesson to be learned beforehand . ( i think)

Which is not necessarily a 'good thing', as tradition, i.e. gnosis as sort of inner part of the teachings of big monotheistic religions, is or can be interpreted to be to a rather significant extent based on 'revelations' coming from 4D STS caricature of wanna be all mighty in the form of demon-like tribal god of OT.

A part of 'revelation' concerning man being the ruler of everything on Earth, said that humans, or specifically Adam, was made upon this tribal god's form (and image), which sort of installs a belief that humans and everything else in Creation are willy-nilly part of STS hierarchy and so subjugated to submission and exploitation of this 4D STS creature imposing as true God.
Although partly true, like most of good deceptions are, in the sense that 4D STS beings governing this region of universe had very likely really created initial version of our physical bodies, they did not create our souls as such, which is what really matters, even though our souls were probably impacted to a degree by 'descending' into those pre-prepared bodies.

Thus, we do not owe 4D STS creatures our very existence, no matter how hard they would want us to believe that lie.
In the similar manner it could be argued that we are also not really rulers of anything in reality, not even our very selves for the most of the time, but just playing, for better or worse, our roles in the Ray of Creation or a general natural learning spiral of our (local) cosmic environment.

Ibn al-'Arabi made similar point, sort of circumventing that 4D STS manipulation and deception inherent also to Islam, by stating that the most perfect of the human beings are actually "servants" without any trace of attributes of the lordship.

 

[Moine]

Apparently, this isn't actually how the progress of the group soul happens. According to the C's, we don't progress through every density starting from 1D. Instead, what happened was that when the group soul decided to enter into physical existence, part of it went into 1D, part into 2D part into 3D, to experience all these levels simultaneously.

Isn't it? Do note, that the language and imagery that I picked there, was purely demonstrative of the natural laws ordering reality -- nothing about it, makes them any more good/bad than the earth rotating around it's axis daily, letting you all see the sunrise every morning. Even the verb of manipulate is without content in the plain, modern English. In the Latin, it connotes "to handle, to work with one's hands". It's incredibly plain, yet incredibly insightful, when you realize that basically all of humanity's activities revolve around benefiting humans selfishly, while foregoing, and disregarding the environment, and others, with which they not only share a planet with, but live among another.

But with such being said, there's nothing inherently demonstrative of the C's use of particular terminology, with their answers given throughout, that make anything stated in the transcripts thoroughly evident based upon any glancing observation of our situation. It is why I point out the underlying question. Knowing human experience on this planet as being a 3rd density reality is one thing, however translating that experience into "learning" is an entirely different thing. It's also why I've pointed out particular oversights here, because they underline the simple demonstrations that have been made, over and over, since antiquity.

Macro-cosmically, you have some aggregation of Cantor's set theory that includes 2D, 3D, and 4D "soul" interaction, along with 5D "soul" recycling, on a 3D environment/matrix, within the human frame or idea -- yet there is no proof to any of it, aside from what a person may realize from their life experiences. And within it, how is anyone supposed to figure it out? It's why my family members have a little penchant for describing most humans as "brainless" -- i.e. there is no reason, as a spiritual virtue, present in most; sure they may exhibit reasoning activities, but unless you are actually conversant with such things, you will not realize that reasoning, especially deductive reasoning by itself, is a mechanical process. Intuition, induction, inspiration, innovation, imagination and insight need not apply.

Take it another way, a la the C's... 7D "made" everything; 2D sensation, sensibility and growth arises out of 1D prime matter --- every single type of living cell is enclosed in a form that is chemically described as a liquid, crystalline membrane -- your bodies are basically crystals, filled with water, that have not only been given the faculties of being thoroughly interactive within your environments, but also within your "selves" via the faculty of reason, through introspective thought. Lower 2D forms gestate around for quite some time. Higher 2D forms have emotive states, feelings and fluxes. Lower 3D forms (humans) may be able to reason (or not).... And so on.

Now if this developmental cycle of existence is cyclical, and everything that originated out of 7D, goes back to 7D, and it's all part of the same "grouping" .... what makes you think humans are so "special". What you have therein, is just another fancy way of describing the alchemical process, with the fancy philosophizing, and wording, and explaining -- all the meanwhile pointing people in the directions that they are nevertheless so inclined to take, and perhaps fail along the way. This train of thought is also theologically concordant. Small wonder then, as to why there is such a problem with the "psychos" who are not only "brainless", but are also "soulless", or in the C's terminology, are failed OP's.

Meanwhile, the cute wasps around my area, are having a grand time partaking in the human experience. They're floating about, and flying into the discarded bottles of booze lazing around in trashcans. They're getting mightily drunk off of whatever alcohol that still remains in those containers. It puts the human experience of "crawling into the bottle" into a more wholesome perspective.

 

[axj]

You seem to be 'forcefully' limiting the possibilities to long wave cycles being only ethereal and short wave cycles being only physical, which clearly is not the case as Fluffy showed above.

Yes, the short wave cycle is half physical and half ethereal, according to the C's. I did not say that it is not. And I suppose you may be right that the long wave cycle can be either completely physical or completely ethereal.

Maybe the apparent contradiction in the same session is due to "completely ethereal long wave existence" being in reference to humanity, while the "completely physical long wave existence" was in reference to what flora and fauna would normally experience:

A: [...] Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle.

A: [...] Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.

 

[bozadi]

C: [...] but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle.

I have a sense of a possible discrapancy here. The statement can make one assume that all seven densities can be experienced in either the short or the long wave cycle. But since the C's said that the short one, as opposed to the long, involves physical incarnations, this leads to the thought that the short wave cycle will necessarily end somewhere in 5D, where the need for reincarnation and physicality ends.

But, then, do the C's mean that what is experienced in and/or after 5D is not "existence"? The C's also say 5D is where duality ends. So, do they use the word "existence" in a sense of "duality based existence"? This reminded me of the following:

To exist means to be something, a thing, a feeling, a thought, an idea. All existence is particular. Only being is universal, in the sense that every being is compatible with every other being. Existences clash, being – never. Existence means becoming, change, birth and death, and birth again, while in being there is silent peace.

But did, actually, the C's use the word "existence" in that statement in the sense of the above quote?

 

[bozadi]

Apparently, this isn't actually how the progress of the group soul happens. According to the C's, we don't progress through every density starting from 1D.

This is an interesting subject. I'll say "yes and no" to the bolded part. Both Ra and the C's say things which would mean that densities are experienced/completed "sequentially", one after another. But, obviously, it is not a perfectly linear sequentiality since we have a 5D being that is always stationed in 5D, even when we reincarnate in 3D, and we have a 6D Higher Self, and, the last but not the least, we dwell in 7D eternally.

Instead, what happened was that when the group soul decided to enter into physical existence, part of it went into 1D, part into 2D part into 3D, to experience all these levels simultaneously.

That may be a possibility, although it didn't sound right to me at the first glance. If you are 3D, this means you have completed your 1D and 2D lessons. It seems logical that we still have a 2D and 1D nature as in our body. But then this thought is complicated by the following:

Q: (L) My mother wants to know what are the ramifications of cremation. She has read some things on the subject and she is a little concerned about it. (T) They don't do it until after you're dead.

A: None.

Q: (L) So, it's okay to cremate the body and...

A: Body is third density not fifth density.

I'm not sure what to make of this. What do you think?

 

[Fluffy]

@bozadi
I was wondering when you’d chime in, this thread is right up your lane way.

I might be totally off here yet my notion of a purely ethereal existence is that of the 5th density, which is our home and origin.
Now I’m completely speculating, if one never chooses to leave home then they would only ever directly experience 5D thus staying in a long wave cycle gathering knowledge from the experience of others who choose the shortwave option.
So may be it is correct to say one doesn’t exist in a material sense in a long wave cycle.

 

[bozadi]

the 5th density, which is our home and origin.

The origin of our "individual" being, yes. And I believe 7D is our non-individual origin.

Now I’m completely speculating, if one never chooses to leave home then they would only ever directly experience 5D thus staying in a long wave cycle gathering knowledge from the experience of others who choose the shortwave option.

I also thought about this most interesting possibility. Would anyone do this? Would any child choose to "never" leave the home, even if the child has no essential difference from any other children who would naturally want to experience and explore an extremely rich existence?

 

[Fluffy]

I also thought about this most interesting possibility. Would anyone do this? Would any child choose to "never" leave the home, even if the child has no essential difference from any other children who would naturally want to experience and explore an extremely rich existence?

I suppose, again so much speculation, that because there is no polarity in 5D there also isn’t much of anything akin to ego so the desire to want to leave and explore has to be borne out of something like boredom, curiousness and inspiration. I dunno, can 5Ders get bored?

A kid who doesn’t know there is a world to explore will be satisfied with playing in the same garden everyday, yet as soon as they know there is something else out there and try a few different things a thirst begins to develop and the more they experience the more uninteresting the garden becomes.

I like the analogy you used about children because I can ground it down to our current reality and make comparisons.
My family are very uninteresting and uninterested people who lack curiosity, simply happy to do the same thing generation after generation without really taking any charge of their lives and just letting life happen to them, learning slowly and may be not even at all at times. If it wasn’t for the internet they’d likely still be exactly the same as they were 10 generations ago. Only a great upheaval like covid could shake off a few peoples blinkers for them to seek outside of this closed and repetitive system they choose to be in. This is probably a syndrome many (my guess is half) of the families on earth are afflicted by and as the saying goes ‘as above, so below’
May be it’s like tourists who visit the Eiffel Tower and then go back to their home their friends and say ‘dang that thing was cool, you should try it’

Okay I’ve drifted wayyy off topic.

Another speculation, may be when our fractal selves are in 1 and 2D the experience in long wave cycle (which I still think is or could be happening in 5D but struggle to find a way to explain it otherwise, I assume/imagine that rocks, plants, animals, unicorns etc exist/be in 5D) is so slow it barely moves without the 3D physical self interacting and merging with it and somehow this merging is integral to the development of consciousness beyond 3D. Does that make any sense?

 

[bozadi]

there is no polarity in 5D

I agree but would like to expand. Even if the C's say there is no duality in 5D, we also know that the STO-STS duality exists even in 6D in some form and extent. At least, we know that our Higher Self, who seems to be very close to 7D, is STO. It appears that 5D is described as non-dual because STS has left its chance for full expression in 4D. I mean, achieving 100% STS (ticket to a blackhole) was only possible in 4D at the latest. Past mid-4D, probably, the only option remains is to get closer and closer to the full expression of STO (or being) in 7D, even if STSers might prefer to cling to STS aspirations up to mid-6D, according to Ra, whereupon they can't help but see the truth of oneness of all.

So, 5D is non-dual because it's not anymore possible for one of the polarities (STS or non-being) to realize/actualize itself fully. If an STS being has past mid-4D, this means it has given up the choice of getting non-existent; it has decided to be, sooner or later. I think this can mean that there's polarity in 5D, 6D, and 7D. In fact, 7D is the full expression of the positive polarity (being), as opposed to the negative polarity (non-being). Especially from 6D onwards, the terms positive vs negative, or being vs non-being are more applicable than STO vs STS, I think.

there is no polarity in 5D there also isn’t much of anything akin to ego so the desire to want to leave and explore has to be borne out of something like boredom, curiousness and inspiration.

You know, the same idea is also expressed regarding the possible motivation of God in creating the Universe(s). Is it out of boredom? I don't know if the term boredom is really applicable here but the term "self-realization" appeals to me. Am I right that this term can have the following two meanings (maybe with some stretching): achieving "self-awareness", and "self-actualization"?