How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[Wandering Star]

October, 22 1994

(...) this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence.(...)

(...) flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane (...)

I give up, I am not able to harmonize these two paragraphs.

 

[cbi]

Firstly, we could suppose that this implies that if there was no human-soulgroup presence on Earth, then 1st and 2nd density entities would be on a long wave cycle. The C’s said that the difference between the two types of cycle is that a short wave one “involves a duality” and that this duality is what we think of as life and death, the totality of experience being equal between here and 5D. (That’s what they’re referring to in the quote when they use the term “physical/etherial cycle”)

Hi T.C. Being of a “low degree” here and my reply going around another channeled material: Would you like a “refreshing answer?”

 

[Wandering Star]

October, 22 1994

(...) this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence.(...)

(...) flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane (...)

I give up, I am not able to harmonize these two paragraphs.

I have reached a certain consensus (harmonization) on the matter.

First and second density are physical and will "normally" occur in a long wave cycle.

Individualized souls are by definition etheric or spiritual, so that is their realm, and when they decide to experience the physical, they move into the shortwave cycle, but its normal cycle would be the long wave cycle.

So it is the interaction with individual souls that changes the normal progression of first and second density (wooden tables, buildings, almost human pets etc.).

This is my attempt to understand it.

 

[axj]

I have a sense of a possible discrapancy here. The statement can make one assume that all seven densities can be experienced in either the short or the long wave cycle. But since the C's said that the short one, as opposed to the long, involves physical incarnations, this leads to the thought that the short wave cycle will necessarily end somewhere in 5D, where the need for reincarnation and physicality ends.

But, then, do the C's mean that what is experienced in and/or after 5D is not "existence"?

From what I understand, the long wave cycle used to be the only way for all beings to experience existence, until the short wave cycle was created as a "faster" alternative for individualized souls - which then also puts some 1D and 2D group soul beings on a short wave cycle.

What I wonder is why the combination of physical and ethereal existence is harder on 1D and 2D than a purely physical existence. Does it refer only to "reincarnation" of group souls or is sleep and dreaming also a part of the half-ethereal existence?

 

[Fluffy]

October, 22 1994

(...) this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence.(...)

(...) flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane (...)

I give up, I am not able to harmonize these two paragraphs.

I’m just going off the rails here trying to understand that too. May be flora and fauna aren’t physical in the physical plane until they have a self aware consciousness that identifies and interacts with them giving them their solid form by labelling and naming, essentially dreaming them into physicality.

Geeze, I didn’t notice that before, it’s quite contradictory huh!

 

[axj]

May be flora and fauna aren’t physical in the physical plane until they have a self aware consciousness that identifies and interacts with them giving them their solid form by labelling and naming, essentially dreaming them into physicality.

"Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane" does sound like they would be physical even without humans. In fact, the short wave cycle gives 1D and 2D group souls a half-ethereal existence - whatever that means.

 

[Fluffy]

"Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane" does sound like they would be physical even without humans. In fact, the short wave cycle gives 1D and 2D group souls a half-ethereal existence - whatever that means.

Yet a long wave cycle is purely ethereal according to the C’s. May be I need to re assess what ‘physical’ means. I remember a recent session when C’s say that ghosts can be as solid as a human.

 

[brandon]

I have a sense of a possible discrapancy here. The statement can make one assume that all seven densities can be experienced in either the short or the long wave cycle.

I think that statement from the C's can also be interpreted NOT as meaning that all densities can be experienced on a long OR short wave cycle.. the statement as I interpret it can still mean that some densities are exclusively one or the other. (apologies, I don't have time or energy at the moment to try to elaborate more or word this better... I just mean, "every density can experience things in one of two ways" doesn't necessarily mean that every density could be either of those two ways...just that there are only those two ways for any density to be experienced. If that makes sense? I have no idea if it's the case or not though..)

Very interesting thread which makes me think of a heap of questions (many or all which might've already been asked or answered).. Like is a long wave cycle sort of like being crystallised, or pure information outside of time.. can sound waves be a useful analogy, e.g. long wave cycle being like perfectly tuned sine waves with no phasing, short wave cycle being when the waves go out of sync and existence is experienced "in" the beats of the phasing? Can short and long wave experiencing beings coexist, and if so can short wave ones perceive long wave ones? And if so, in what way - e.g. if it's possible for an animal to be on a long wave cycle on 3d earth along with short wave cycling humans, can we see it with our eyes? Would it appear as an animal...would it exist "in time"? etc etc. Can 6th density be experienced on a short wave? Sorry again for my very rushed and vague post! Gotta go do baby-related stuff :)

 

[Alejo]

It may be a simpler explanation.

By interacting with us Flora and Fauna have an entirely different experience than they would have if they only interacted with each other. We turn minerals into buildings for instance, plants and animals into food and pets, we develop emotional connections with them, experiment on them and so much more. That changes their existence for the duration of their lives. Even thinking about crystals being charged, I think human presence in a reality such as ours, has a definite impact on the experience of the two lower densities.

Then there's also what the C's said once about conscience needing to feed too, so there's that aspect of it as well. Their own existence then flows upwards through ours.

 

[axj]

Yet a long wave cycle is purely ethereal according to the C’s.

For humans. They also said in the same session that the long wave cycle is completely physical for flora and fauna.

 

[bozadi]

From what I understand, the long wave cycle used to be the only way for all beings to experience existence, until the short wave cycle was created as a "faster" alternative for individualized souls

Yes, Ra's explanations on switching from an non-veiled existence to a veiled one apparently correspond to the C's explanations on humanity's transfer from a long to a short wave cycle. But when you say "all beings", I think we should infer that those are "all the beings contained in our particular logos", not all beings in all logoi, because otherwise an absolute timeline would arise in which a short wave cycle was introduced for entire existence (all logoi) at a specific time, which would contradict the suggestion that "time doesn't exist."

What I wonder is why the combination of physical and ethereal existence is harder on 1D and 2D than a purely physical existence.

I don't remember anything from Ra and the C's that would suggest a "purely physical existence" as opposed to a purely etheric or half-etheric & half-physical cycling. Complete physicality would mean complete soullesness (complete lack of consciousness), which would mean complete non-existence.

 

[bozadi]

Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane

Geeze, I didn’t notice that before, it’s quite contradictory huh!

Same here. I surprisedly noticed that on the physical plane part only when I was checking this specific thread yesterday, but not during all those years when I was reading the session info, including the parts on long and short wave cycles. God knows how many other simple but potentially important points I've been misunderstanding or failing to see.