How do we retain our knowledge after death?

[Buddy]

Thanks for sharing! Very helpful in conceptualizations of memory and how it works. How does one tap into he collective conscience? Is it done through meditating or focusing on breathing and individual thought patterns? Just a thought, any comments?

This is just an assumption on my part, but I think maybe we are already connected. We just need to remove the roadblocks, i.e. fragmented information, unintegrated experiences and emotional blocks that sit between that part of us that 'looks' and what we want to 'look' at. The Recapitulation and EE (emotional cleansing) part of the Work will help with that, OSIT.

 

[Bar Kochba]

I seem to recall Gurdjieff answering a similar question. He explained it by saying that with hard work and conscious suffering, a certain substance forms inside us; this substance begins to form what can be called the astral body which would live on after our physical body dies.
Gurdjieff also talked of communicating with deceased persons who had developed the astral body, and I believe he explained the last supper as a ritual Jesus performed to achieve something similar.
Very interesting. A "bonus" that comes with correct work on the self could possibly be retention of ones present consciousness.

 

[FrankM4326754]

Thanks for your insights and input. I can understand the hard work aspect, one acquiring knowledge but how one suffers is what is unclear to me. I suppose one suffers in many ways while acquiring knowledge. Possibly focusing on acquiring and having to see others not as aware or furthermore just don't care about gaining knowledge. Or perhaps its an internal suffering. Many levels of suffering certainlyare plausible. Interesting is the term suffering because it leads to the reassurance that something good will come of it at the end. Similar to going through challenges to attain your dreams or goals. It makes you decide whether or not you are serious about what you say you are. I suppose without suffering one is not justifiably allowed to attain a more awakened soul or consciousness. I'm not sure, just my feeble attempt at trying to understand fully.

I feel as though we are all like flies on the wall. We only perceive what is around us and can't travel very far but yet in 4th density we will be able to perceive much more. Kind of like the way a human can perceive much more than a fly only in 4th density it will be another level above.

 

[obyvatel]

Thanks for your insights and input. I can understand the hard work aspect, one acquiring knowledge but how one suffers is what is unclear to me. I suppose one suffers in many ways while acquiring knowledge. Possibly focusing on acquiring and having to see others not as aware or furthermore just don't care about gaining knowledge. Or perhaps its an internal suffering. Many levels of suffering certainly are plausible. Interesting is the term suffering because it leads to the reassurance that something good will come of it at the end. Similar to going through challenges to attain your dreams or goals. It makes you decide whether or not you are serious about what you say you are.

Gurdjieff talked about mechanical and conscious suffering. This cassiopedia article addresses this topic.

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I suppose without suffering one is not justifiably allowed to attain a more awakened soul or consciousness. I'm not sure, just my feeble attempt at trying to understand fully.
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In our default state which is said to be a state of "sleep", we have a false personality with a lot of self importance. When we try to wake up and gain more awareness, parts of us which are strongly connected to this false personality need to die in a sense. Dabrowski described this process in his theory of positive disintegration
A Brief Overview Dabrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration
Multilevelness of Emotional And Instinctive Functions
This process of growth and suffering which accompanies it is a natural learning process. Some may suffer more and some suffer less while going through this process. Greater suffering may not necessarily correlate directly with greater awareness. To give a crude and simplistic example, one may learn about fire by observing how it burns a piece of paper - another may learn the same thing by putting his finger into the fire. In this aspect, the power of a colinear network is greatly beneficial as lessons learned by one through suffering can be shared with others thus leading to greater collective knowledge with less collective suffering.