How is the World Going to End in 2012?

[RedFox]

Re: The last article of Laura

The irony is that almost everyone will agree that politicians are corrupt. But they ascribe it to just a human weakness - power/money corrupts. Not that they are just corrupted by their very nature - that power attracts those already "corrupted".

When bringing up the subject of psychopathy, I tend to go with something similar. Most people 'know' the saying 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' - which leaves people feeling powerless by design, no ones wants to be like a psychopath.
So I always reverse it, 'power attracts the corrupt, absolute power attracts those with no humanity/empathy/conscience to begin with'......I then follow that up with examples like the shell oil spill and the guy in charge 'just wanting to get back to a normal life and all this go away'. Most people can grok that when you flip it on its head.

An integral part of making possible this system of governance, as a prerequisite, is general knowledge and awareness of psychopathy.

That is a good goal, but it might be well in the future.

I also have a tendency to think a lot about 'the future'. Unfortunately this is just my way of disassociating and ignoring the state of the pool (world) I live in, and the effect its having on the water (conciseness) within me....when I can pay enough attention to the present I can mitigate the effects of the dirt by understanding and changing as much of my inner and out environment as possible. Simple things like showering twice a day and making sure my bed sheets and clothes are changed for clean ones regularly has a big impact on my inner environment/clarity of thought/emotional state - no amount of focusing my thought/emotions on anything (positive thoughts/love and light etc) has ever done that (believe me I've tried!).
Diet being another external factor I can change that changes my internal state. Knowledge and understanding of things (seeing the world, but not through your default filters) is again another way of changing how the external environment effects your internal state.
Making sense of things (i.e. understanding psychopathy - and how it effects the world/yourself) can be a huge psychological/emotional relief - your world changes when it does. Shutting out the world (and denying your own natural responces to that world) takes a huge amount of energy to do. Its like adding extra wheels to a car that push in the opposite direction, and then putting your foot to the floor.

Once you can face reality, thinking about the future is really just taking positive steps to help deal with the present state of things. Mostly in the short term to begin with - such as taking your day one minute at a time when you would rather be tucked up in a warm bed to shut the world out (or sat at your desk dreaming of 'the future'/reading books that tell you all you have to do is 'dream the right way'/playing video games or watching films that are 'dreams of other realities' to shut the world out).

Focusing on others and your own immediate needs/environment can be a good start. What influences can you change right now to change your internal state?

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

Re: The last article of Laura

Where are the very wealthy donors? This post doesn't help the situation at all, so I apologise for that in advance, but it does relate to the SOTT donations and it intrigues me.

I was actually quite surprised and dismayed, like Laura, that the donations haven't come as quickly as they ought. But one thing that crossed my mind was, "Where are all the rich people who read SOTT?"

I am not sure of what donors consider to be a worthy donation, but let's just assume that 1% of someone's bank balance is a fair, and therefore "average" amount to donate. Thus, if a SOTT reader was very rich and had €10M in his/her bank account, then a 1% donation would amount to €100,000 (so we can rule out the existence of such a person immediately). Someone who had €1M would donate €10,000 (there might have been one or two of these, but I don't recall any sudden jumps). And someone who has €100,000 in their account would donate €1,000 (there could well be a handful of these). Given that SOTT has thus far managed to scrounge just shy of €60,000, I can only conclude that the number of readers who fully understand the gravity of the situation and who are quite rich are very rare indeed. (Especially when you consider that many donors who aren't rich probably gave more than 1% of their money).

None of this should be all that surprising, when you consider how most people get rich in the first place. They normally get rich through a philosophy of intense materialism and STS behaviour, and such people are hardly going to be interested in matters as deep or complex as those covered by SOTT. But I still thought that a very small minority of rich people do get rich while remaining honest and doing the right thing by their workers. Surely some of these people read SOTT?

I can only conclude that there really are only about 10 people out of all the SOTT readership who are quite wealthy and have donated a fair amount, or that there are a lot more wealthy people here who consider 1% to to be far too much to donate. Some studies have shown that the more you earn, the greedier you tend to become.

I know there are a lot of assumptions in the above, but I haven't been able to stop wondering about it for days. I would appreciate others' thoughts on the matter.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: The last article of Laura

Facing reality/having accurate feedback loops with the environment seems to be essential to the survival of ANY species. Then being able to clean your immediate environment is probably an effective and practical way to proceed. As beneficial changes occur in your inner state, more becomes possible to do in the outer world, perhaps, and a cycle is begun?

 

[Finduilas495]

Re: The last article of Laura

Where are the very wealthy donors? This post doesn't help the situation at all, so I apologise for that in advance, but it does relate to the SOTT donations and it intrigues me.

I was actually quite surprised and dismayed, like Laura, that the donations haven't come as quickly as they ought. But one thing that crossed my mind was, "Where are all the rich people who read SOTT?"

I am not sure of what donors consider to be a worthy donation, but let's just assume that 1% of someone's bank balance is a fair, and therefore "average" amount to donate. Thus, if a SOTT reader was very rich and had €10M in his/her bank account, then a 1% donation would amount to €100,000 (so we can rule out the existence of such a person immediately). Someone who had €1M would donate €10,000 (there might have been one or two of these, but I don't recall any sudden jumps). And someone who has €100,000 in their account would donate €1,000 (there could well be a handful of these). Given that SOTT has thus far managed to scrounge just shy of €60,000, I can only conclude that the number of readers who fully understand the gravity of the situation and who are quite rich are very rare indeed. (Especially when you consider that many donors who aren't rich probably gave more than 1% of their money).

None of this should be all that surprising, when you consider how most people get rich in the first place. They normally get rich through a philosophy of intense materialism and STS behaviour, and such people are hardly going to be interested in matters as deep or complex as those covered by SOTT. But I still thought that a very small minority of rich people do get rich while remaining honest and doing the right thing by their workers. Surely some of these people read SOTT?

I can only conclude that there really are only about 10 people out of all the SOTT readership who are quite wealthy and have donated a fair amount, or that there are a lot more wealthy people here who consider 1% to to be far too much to donate. Some studies have shown that the more you earn, the greedier you tend to become.

I know there are a lot of assumptions in the above, but I haven't been able to stop wondering about it for days. I would appreciate others' thoughts on the matter.

You know, I'm not only wondering about the wealthy donors. When I read SOTT this morning, I noticed that there are 20'411 people who like SOTT.net on Facebook. If those 20'411 people gave only 5 EUR each, it would already be over 100K.

 

[RedFox]

Re: The last article of Laura

fwiw as an example of what I mentioned above having an effect on my internal environment, I went and took my morning shower after making the above post. I realised I'd said 'shell oil spill' instead of 'BP oil spill'.
Also that some of the things I posted assumed the reader had read what I'd read (the BP oil spill), or assumed they knew what I (think I) know/see what I see/understand what I understand/think how I think.
The car analogy wasn't clearly given context for those that may not have it - the net result of extra wheels being added to a car that push in the opposite direction is now movement, wasted energy, and damage to the systems from the strain of pushing against the self. A car generally is designed to go in one direction (ignoring reverse gear).
Writing the reply for myself it seems. I've just started reading 'Thinking fast, and slow' so hopefully I'll be able to catch this before it happens again.

So having said all that, perhaps the 100th monkey example is down to being able to change the default automatic behaviour in humans to incorporate the knowledge needed for them to survive (i.e. 'common' knowledge of psychopathy)....being able to step out of that automatic behaviour and see what needs to be changed/how to do it being the thing that most people can't do it seems. But again this may be an automatic assessment based on lack of data/assuming too much.

 

[Heretic02]

Re: The last article of Laura

I'm a little too far with the video, but I just wanted to say that there is little hope for us. In my country they say, "People know each other in trouble." New Great War is coming this year and with it a new suffering. And what now? I have pass one war to go in another?

 

[truth seeker]

Re: The last article of Laura

Where are the very wealthy donors? This post doesn't help the situation at all, so I apologise for that in advance, but it does relate to the SOTT donations and it intrigues me.

I was actually quite surprised and dismayed, like Laura, that the donations haven't come as quickly as they ought. But one thing that crossed my mind was, "Where are all the rich people who read SOTT?"

I know there are a lot of assumptions in the above, but I haven't been able to stop wondering about it for days. I would appreciate others' thoughts on the matter.

Those are quite a few assumptions and they seem to be based on your own perceptions which may or may not be based in reality. Two questions: how do you know how many if any Sott readers are "rich"? And what constitutes "rich"?

 

[anart]

Re: The last article of Laura

Where are the very wealthy donors? This post doesn't help the situation at all, so I apologise for that in advance, but it does relate to the SOTT donations and it intrigues me.

I was actually quite surprised and dismayed, like Laura, that the donations haven't come as quickly as they ought. But one thing that crossed my mind was, "Where are all the rich people who read SOTT?"

I know there are a lot of assumptions in the above, but I haven't been able to stop wondering about it for days. I would appreciate others' thoughts on the matter.

Those are quite a few assumptions and they seem to be based on your own perceptions which may or may not be based in reality. Two questions: how do you know how many if any Sott readers are "rich"? And what constitutes "rich"?

Actually, I think his point is pretty clear. If there are wealthy regular readers of SOTT, they've obviously not yet donated. Rich, in this context would be someone with millions of dollars. Considering that most of what we do is expose the lies of the rich (since the rich are usually also the powerful) it's not too surprising that the rich don't find our pages particularly comfortable. Then again, one never knows, maybe there are one or two out there who might come through...

 

[Zadius Sky]

Re: The last article of Laura

I just wanted to express my thanks for this article and indeed, it made me sad to see what the world has come to.

In my interactions with people around here, they are still living out their lives as if it's just another day and whenever a bad event happened, they'd eventually get over it and move on like it's just a "bump in the road."

In the article, it has been pointed out that "by 2046 the world population will have increased to 9 billion." I was suddenly reminded via associative activation when, in the film Star Trek: First Contact, the Enterprise was enveloped in the temporal vortex and the command staff was seeing the 24th century Earth as shattered and broken-up. The captain asked Data, "Life signs?" Data answered in response: "Population approximately 9 billion...all Borg." Then, the captain realized that the Borg used time travel to change the past. The Borg is a race of cybernetic organisms, whose only goal was to abduct and assimilate everyone to their "way of life" as a means of "achieving perfection." To my mind, the Borg are non-thinking slaves/machines. And, so when the population reached 9 billions, there would be no real, thinking human being left on the planet.

After reading this article and seeing how we are leaving the world to our children and that world will become "virtually unlivable," I remembered when Laura wrote (in regarding to "5D is watching closely"):

[T]he fate of humanity is very important to 5 D because that will determine whether or not the Earth continues to be useful as a place for souled individuals to incarnate to work out their issues. In other words, if STS takes over completely, they will actually spoil their own plans because souled individuals will no longer find Earth to be a congenial "school" and will have to find a more suitable place for soul development activities.

It sure is becoming more and more obvious that the world is heading to become "unlivable" or "unsuited" for real human beings unless the en masse stop ignoring what is going on.

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

Re: The last article of Laura

Actually, I think his point is pretty clear. If there are wealthy regular readers of SOTT, they've obviously not yet donated. Rich, in this context would be someone with millions of dollars. Considering that most of what we do is expose the lies of the rich (since the rich are usually also the powerful) it's not too surprising that the rich don't find our pages particularly comfortable. Then again, one never knows, maybe there are one or two out there who might come through...

I have been hoping for some very rich donors, who have a conscience and who get great value from SOTT, to come through and donate. I know the Cs say that prayer can be useful in some circumstances, and I have been praying for such a thing to occur, even though in reality this action is probably not having much of an effect. (Certainly I can see that the suggestions given on the other forum for improving fundraising will be far more beneficial.)

And someone correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall during the fundraiser SOTT did for the Pepin case, that there was a very sudden and dramatic increase in funds towards the end of the fundraising period. Up to that point I had lost hope that enough funds would be raised, and yet, miraculously as it seemed to me at the time, the money came through.

 

[Laura]

Re: The last article of Laura

Back when we were discussing creating FOTCM, I talked about one of our really rich readers who came to visit me. He isn't the only one who has ever done this - we've been visited by a few powerful/rich people with the intention of buying us. Anyway, his remark that I reported in that thread, I believe, was that people who don't wake up deserve to die, to be culled from the gene pool. I was very offended by this remark because I have always felt that there are lots of people who simply can't "wake up" the way we talk about it, but they still deserve to be treated decently. The authoritarian follower types, for example, will follow The Authorities, whoever they are. Right now, they are following psychopaths to their own destruction. What if we had good and decent leadership? They could have good and decent lives and be good workers for good purposes even if nothing every penetrated deeply. It's kind of like what Mouravieff wrote about pre-Adamic humans: that they can "grow a soul" if they are exposed to the right examples and treatment over time. He also spoke about the duty of those who CAN wake up to do so and to do all they can to fight this war for the sake of those who cannot see or fight.

Anyway, my point is: I think that we don't have anymore super rich followers because a number of them have tried to move in on me, sway me, influence me, buy me, etc, and it just doesn't work.

 

[beherenow]

Re: The last article of Laura

Hi all, I'm not sure if I should post this here, but I guess its as good a place as any....it may be "preaching to the choir" so feel free to post it elsewhere if you think it would inspire people to contribute. I did think it is synchronous , the mention of "rich people" and a "1% donation"...and that I wrote this letter 2 days, ago before getting to this thread today...?!?...

I sent this letter with my donation on Tuesday. (snail mail) In the recent past I sent a gift to Laura, (that serendipitously, arrived right around her birthday which I was unaware of at the time), as a thank you for all the good work. Though it was a something I made with my hands, motivated by my heart, further reflection upon your real needs expressed in this article made my gift seem a bit frivolous and in reality, not very useful. That, along with a realization of how much everything that is done here has helped me, prompted me to send some $.

Here's a copy of the letter.

Hello to all at QFG/SoTT,
I just wanted to thank you again for all the hard work and dedication on your SoTT news site. I hope this donation helps you to continue doing what you all do so well.

I found your site in mid 2009, about 6 months after getting an internet connection, and I've been with you ever since. I must admit that at first, due to some of the subjects you covered, I thought you guys were a little bit "out there", but as I read the material and the objective well researched opinions, I realized that your goals were nothing more than finding the truth. That combined with the lack of any kind of corporate sponsorship and advertising made me realize that your motivations are pure. I've long been aware of, and consequently despise, what M calls the "A" influences...(I've been called by friends and family, in a somewhat derogatory tone at times, "Dave the Pure")…and how those, along with a desire for money and comfort, can completely compromise ones ability to speak the truth.

After a series of shocks in the past, I recovered with a gift from the goddess, that is, a certain kind of intuition...I call it my "truth bell-BS meter"...that seems to be a very objective guide as to where to focus my skepticism. Of all the sources I've explored, your sites are just about the only place that consistently "rings the bell". I could say a lot more about how co-linear our paths are, but for now I just want to say thank you for your un-compromising approach to your work. PLEASE don't let these psychopathic people and the situations they create stop you and your beacon of truth. Personally, I've come to depend on your light, and though I know I could adjust my vision and actions to “see” in the dark, it would be a sad day indeed, for me and many others, to see your light be extinguished.

Laura, in your recent response to the slow reaction of users of your site to your request for help, I DO understand your frustration. I too am amazed and thoroughly disgusted at the things and causes that people seem most willing to contribute to. Its just further evidence of how convoluted and upside down society and its values are. PLEASE, try to understand that many of us folks who know the value of your work, and have been actively seeking truth even before finding your work, are marginalized people. I am speaking for myself here, but I KNOW there are many others like me, who upon seeing glimpses of the truth, have made choices, weather by conscience decision or by an intrinsic unconscious inability to work for and with, people whose aims are entropic. I have in the past made what many would call "bad decisions" about my career path on nothing more than a "gut" awareness of knowing that, despite making good money, I could NOT live with myself if I continued working for said people. In this world, as it is now, how can one who chooses truth over lies, NOT end up on the sidelines?

PLEASE remember, that like other true teachers, your ministering to the ones who seek and need truth...the marginalized and dispossessed... and really, when's the last time you met a humble rich man… one who knew he didn’t "fit" and knew there was something "missing" he needed? It is a rocky and narrow path we are choosing to follow here, but remember, it is the TRUE one. In spite of having to depend on many "widows mites" for your support, the universe will always give the lessons and things you need....it's where REAL faith is required and rewarded. Hang in there…it WILL get better.

I know that this donation is small and alone it won't do much for your overall problem. My gut even had a little "twist" when I contemplated that my money might go to a lawyer....but if they're justly and competently defending you, it's OK with me. Feel free to share this letter....and this fact; when I "crunched the numbers" on my contribution...it comes to a paltry 1.02% of my last years earnings ( after expense deductions, my taxable income last year was $9,800....not much I know, but I am still much better off than 75% of the planet!) When considering the 10% that churches expect of their followers, and the fact that for that 10% you get nothing but a truck load of guilt, self loathing, and a deferred pie-in-the-sky... Lets just say, for all the good things you've made me aware of, I'm almost ashamed that I can't give you more right now. If my situation improves, you will get more. Further contemplation does justify your frustration...if only 5000 of your readers, in a similar income bracket as myself, were to give only 1% of last years income...you would already have $500,000!

To all the readers, who like myself, see the value of this work and truly appreciate it...GIVE something, pay for what you've already gotten....invest in the future of this work and yourself...the universe will thank you for it!
With love and gratitude,
Dave / beherenow

 

[truth seeker]

Re: The last article of Laura

I have been hoping for some very rich donors, who have a conscience and who get great value from SOTT, to come through and donate. I know the Cs say that prayer can be useful in some circumstances, and I have been praying for such a thing to occur, even though in reality this action is probably not having much of an effect. (Certainly I can see that the suggestions given on the other forum for improving fundraising will be far more beneficial.)

I just wanted to apologize if I came off too direct, 3D. I just doubted that there were any super rich people willing to give to SOTT.

Fwiw, I think there may be a place for non anticipatory prayer (coupled with action) in all of this.

Perhaps I'm off and being a bit too optimistic but I actually think that we (those of us who don't have much) can actually do this. Exactly how this can occur, I don't know but as we keep networking and pushing to meet this goal (whether monetarily or through other efforts), I believe we can get there.

 

[Iron]

Re: The last article of Laura

I have been hoping for some very rich donors, who have a conscience and who get great value from SOTT, to come through and donate. I know the Cs say that prayer can be useful in some circumstances, and I have been praying for such a thing to occur, even though in reality this action is probably not having much of an effect. (Certainly I can see that the suggestions given on the other forum for improving fundraising will be far more beneficial.)

I just wanted to apologize if I came off too direct, 3D. I just doubted that there were any super rich people willing to give to SOTT.

Fwiw, I think there may be a place for non anticipatory prayer (coupled with action) in all of this.

Perhaps I'm off and being a bit too optimistic but I actually think that we (those of us who don't have much) can actually do this. Exactly how this can occur, I don't know but as we keep networking and pushing to meet this goal (whether monetarily or through other efforts), I believe we can get there.

I agree. Let the rich do their thing, we dont need them. We can do it!
I'll donate as soon as possible, in the beggining of march, and will keep on doing!

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Re: The last article of Laura

The thing is, if you're rich, and you truly care about SOTT and its goals, wouldn't you already have given to SOTT with or without a fundraiser? I understand if you're not rich and you didn't give - you can be doubting that your minor contribution will do anything at all, doubting that enough people are giving to make your minor contribution add up to a lot when combined with others, etc. Although that's frustrating, at least that's an understandable worry (and probably a part of why all readers don't just mobilize and each one gives a little, having full faith that there will be like a few million more definitely giving too, adding up to a lot). So it's frustrating but understandable.

But if you have millions of dollars, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that giving a few hundred grand would make an immense impact to catapult this project to another level. So either there are no rich readers, or they truly don't care about SOTT.

Put it another way - I take most readers of SOTT who didn't give because they just didn't think their little gift could make a difference. I bet if they suddenly win the lottery and have millions, they would almost certainly give a very appreciable amount because suddenly they will feel like they can actually make a difference. I can't imagine having millions and not immediately giving most of those millions to this group, and I know that most forum members and probably a good chunk of SOTT readers would feel this way too.