How My Aunt Marge Ended Up in the Deep Freeze . . .

[loreta]

I read the article and I still don't know who is Bernie. And why they have made a movie about him? To tell us that every normal person can kill? Is that so? That many people that we admire can be killers?

Personally I think that Bernie is a good comedian. I don't think he is a psychopath. My husband saw the movie also and think that the jury would have been more right to absolve him. So I think that good comedians make you think that they are innocent, after all.

It's not so simple, Loreta, though obviously, Bernie himself is rather low in IQ.

I would strongly urge everyone who can to watch this movie:

http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Small-Stories-Collection-Movie/dp/B000784WYU

I just saw the movie. Wow. Extremely good, hard, strong movie. Now I understand a little more Bernie. Thanks Laura for talking about this movie, it is so well done, so human and so intimate, makes you feel very near this woman, her anger and her action. Barbara Hershey is fantastic. Thanks, thanks, thanks!

 

[Laura]

It's not so simple, Loreta, though obviously, Bernie himself is rather low in IQ.

I would strongly urge everyone who can to watch this movie:

http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Small-Stories-Collection-Movie/dp/B000784WYU

I just saw the movie. Wow. Extremely good, hard, strong movie. Now I understand a little more Bernie. Thanks Laura for talking about this movie, it is so well done, so human and so intimate, makes you feel very near this woman, her anger and her action. Barbara Hershey is fantastic. Thanks, thanks, thanks!

Yeah. That is one of the hardest movies to watch I've ever seen. And Barbara Hershey is fantastic in that role. I'm glad it is available on youtube because EVERYONE should watch it and realize that things are not always as they appear on the outside.

It's easy to make harsh judgments based on easily available external data, but if you walk a mile in someone else's moccasins, things can be very different than you suppose.

ADDED: It's too bad the Bernie movie wasn't handled in a similar way. It could have really taught something to people.

 

[caballero reyes]

I have not seen this movie.

 

[Laura]

I have not seen this movie.

Why tell us that? Watch the movie. Link to it on youtube is given a few posts back.

 

[loreta]

It's not so simple, Loreta, though obviously, Bernie himself is rather low in IQ.

I would strongly urge everyone who can to watch this movie:

http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Small-Stories-Collection-Movie/dp/B000784WYU

I just saw the movie. Wow. Extremely good, hard, strong movie. Now I understand a little more Bernie. Thanks Laura for talking about this movie, it is so well done, so human and so intimate, makes you feel very near this woman, her anger and her action. Barbara Hershey is fantastic. Thanks, thanks, thanks!

Yeah. That is one of the hardest movies to watch I've ever seen. And Barbara Hershey is fantastic in that role. I'm glad it is available on youtube because EVERYONE should watch it and realize that things are not always as they appear on the outside.

It's easy to make harsh judgments based on easily available external data, but if you walk a mile in someone else's moccasins, things can be very different than you suppose.

ADDED: It's too bad the Bernie movie wasn't handled in a similar way. It could have really taught something to people.

This is under my humble point of vue the problem with the movie Bernie: the focus. I was thinking about this this morning: maybe people today, the majority, is not able to see very serious and profound movies like the movie you propose to see. It is too much to make people think and be able to "feel" how the human being is more than just what we see. Seeing the anger of the character played by Barbara Hershey I was looking at my proper anger. So we can all be, depend of the circumstances, like her. I like the end of the movie: to see her as a sister, a mirror. That's why the movie is very hard to look.

People wanted distraction, when going to the movies, something mild, like the food they eat: something "light", without nourishment. Too bad!

 

[Cosmos]

I've watched "A Killing in a Small Town" yesterday and I have to say that I'm not all that certain if we can truly say who or what kind of person Candy Morrison is only by watching a movie about "what happened".

I dunno but did you read the book about that case or have you any other background info regarding that case that enables you to truly judge who and what kind of person Candy Morrison is? Or is it just based on that movie?

I've not read the book about that case but decided to look the real case up after watching the movie to see if I can get a glimpse of what really happened there. I was and still am puzzled and I don't think we can judge Candy Montgomery (Candace Montgomery) on the basis of that movie.

So after watching the movie I read this about the real case: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/betty_gore/1_index.html

What stood out for me was that some of the Scenes that were so very important and so dramatised in the movie are not mentioned or not in the way it is portrayed in the movie.

For example the scene in the movie where Candy Montgomery breakes out in tears in the court so dramatically after her lawyer confronts her with the ax is not mentioned at all. It is quite an important scene in the movie that makes you think a certain way about her, but did it truly happen? At least it is not mentioned in the Text about that case.....

The other thing that is not mentioned in the text in the same way as it is portrayed in the movie is the scene where Candy was put under hypnosis and then so dramatically expressed her feelings.

The text only mentions that she was examined by five different psychologists and one of them concluded (together with the lawyer and Candy I guess) that Candy was triggert by the "Shhhs" that the victim Betty whispered to Candy. Because it was a traumatising memory of Candys childhood.

In the Text it is not mentioned that a Hypnosis was done on her.... and all those dramatic details of that "Hypnosis" that are so dramatically portrayed in the movie are not mentioned....

Another quite important scene in the movie that makes you think a certain way about her, but did it truly happen that way? At least it is not mentioned in the Text about that case, in that way.....

 

[Laura]

Pashalis, you are missing the crux of the matter. It is irrelevant whether or not the Candy Montgomery case was portrayed accurately in the movie. What WAS portrayed accurately was a number of possibilities.

Are you married, by the way?

 

[Cosmos]

Pashalis, you are missing the crux of the matter. It is irrelevant whether or not the Candy Montgomery case was portrayed accurately in the movie. What WAS portrayed accurately was a number of possibilities.

Ahh I guess I see, so the whole point is that we can't be so sure about anything because there are a number of possibilities?

Are you married, by the way?

No. Far away from it, in fact.

 

[Laura]

So after watching the movie I read this about the real case: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/betty_gore/1_index.html

What stood out for me was that some of the Scenes that were so very important and so dramatised in the movie are not mentioned or not in the way it is portrayed in the movie.

For example the scene in the movie where Candy Montgomery breakes out in tears in the court so dramatically after her lawyer confronts her with the ax is not mentioned at all. It is quite an important scene in the movie that makes you think a certain way about her, but did it truly happen? At least it is not mentioned in the Text about that case.....

The other thing that is not mentioned in the text in the same way as it is portrayed in the movie is the scene where Candy was put under hypnosis and then so dramatically expressed her feelings.

The text only mentions that she was examined by five different psychologists and one of them concluded (together with the lawyer and Candy I guess) that Candy was triggert by the "Shhhs" that the victim Betty whispered to Candy. Because it was a traumatising memory of Candys childhood.

In the Text it is not mentioned that a Hypnosis was done on her.... and all those dramatic details of that "Hypnosis" that are so dramatically portrayed in the movie are not mentioned....

Did you miss this part:

a total of six times by three different psychiatrists, including Dr. Fred Fason, who maintained a high-fee private practice in the exclusive River Oaks section of Houston. Fason had a profitable sideline as a defense expert-for-hire in criminal cases, often arguing in favor of insanity declarations for accused murderers.

Fason examined Candy under hypnosis, and said she revealed a traumatic event early in her life that may have triggered the ferocity visited on Betty Gore. He took the witness stand to explain.

When she was about 6 years old, in the mid-1950s, Candy cut herself on broken glass. Her mother took her to a doctor's office for stitches. A combination of blood, fear and dread overwhelmed the child, Fason said, and she could not stop crying and screaming. Her mother, embarrassed by the stares of others in the office, finally tried to quiet her daughter with a stern "Shhhhhh!"

Fason testified that when Betty Gore shushed Candy 25 years later, it brought back a flood of repressed memory that touched off a violent "dissociative reaction." The Houston psychiatrist described that phenomenon as a form of neurosis that can prompt "out of body" experiences. Sufferers sometimes do things without knowing it during bouts of amnesia, sleepwalking or dream states.

In other words, for the sake of time limits on movies the scene was dramatized, but it apparently was true.

 

[Laura]

Are you married, by the way?

No. Far away from it, in fact.

Good. Don't get married. You would drive a woman nuts and lord knows what might happen.

 

[Cosmos]

So after watching the movie I read this about the real case: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/betty_gore/1_index.html

What stood out for me was that some of the Scenes that were so very important and so dramatised in the movie are not mentioned or not in the way it is portrayed in the movie.

For example the scene in the movie where Candy Montgomery breakes out in tears in the court so dramatically after her lawyer confronts her with the ax is not mentioned at all. It is quite an important scene in the movie that makes you think a certain way about her, but did it truly happen? At least it is not mentioned in the Text about that case.....

The other thing that is not mentioned in the text in the same way as it is portrayed in the movie is the scene where Candy was put under hypnosis and then so dramatically expressed her feelings.

The text only mentions that she was examined by five different psychologists and one of them concluded (together with the lawyer and Candy I guess) that Candy was triggert by the "Shhhs" that the victim Betty whispered to Candy. Because it was a traumatising memory of Candys childhood.

In the Text it is not mentioned that a Hypnosis was done on her.... and all those dramatic details of that "Hypnosis" that are so dramatically portrayed in the movie are not mentioned....

Did you miss this part:

a total of six times by three different psychiatrists, including Dr. Fred Fason, who maintained a high-fee private practice in the exclusive River Oaks section of Houston. Fason had a profitable sideline as a defense expert-for-hire in criminal cases, often arguing in favor of insanity declarations for accused murderers.

Fason examined Candy under hypnosis, and said she revealed a traumatic event early in her life that may have triggered the ferocity visited on Betty Gore. He took the witness stand to explain.

When she was about 6 years old, in the mid-1950s, Candy cut herself on broken glass. Her mother took her to a doctor's office for stitches. A combination of blood, fear and dread overwhelmed the child, Fason said, and she could not stop crying and screaming. Her mother, embarrassed by the stares of others in the office, finally tried to quiet her daughter with a stern "Shhhhhh!"

Fason testified that when Betty Gore shushed Candy 25 years later, it brought back a flood of repressed memory that touched off a violent "dissociative reaction." The Houston psychiatrist described that phenomenon as a form of neurosis that can prompt "out of body" experiences. Sufferers sometimes do things without knowing it during bouts of amnesia, sleepwalking or dream states.

In other words, for the sake of time limits on movies the scene was dramatized, but it apparently was true.

Yes I missed it and apparently also that it were 3 different psychiatrists and not 5 different psychologists as I stated earlier. Gooshhh

 

[Cosmos]

Are you married, by the way?

No. Far away from it, in fact.

Good. Don't get married. You would drive a woman nuts and lord knows what might happen.

I guess you are right :D

 

[shellycheval]

Dr. Fred Fason testimony as reported by Laura

Fason examined Candy under hypnosis, and said she revealed a traumatic event early in her life that may have triggered the ferocity visited on Betty Gore. He took the witness stand to explain.

When she was about 6 years old, in the mid-1950s, Candy cut herself on broken glass. Her mother took her to a doctor's office for stitches. A combination of blood, fear and dread overwhelmed the child, Fason said, and she could not stop crying and screaming. Her mother, embarrassed by the stares of others in the office, finally tried to quiet her daughter with a stern "Shhhhhh!"

[my bold emphasis added]

What may have also contributed significantly to Candy's trauma during the stitching at the Dr's office is that during this time period (and into the 60s . . .) there was a horrifyingly mistaken belief that young children did not feel pain the same way as adults due to their "incompletely developed" nerve systems, and they were often sutured and even operated on without anesthesia.
This Medieval ignorance and torture of children during this era has undoubtedly left trauma scars on many people--I know the memory of what it feels like to be held down by force and sewed up without anesthesia remains in the psyche as it happened to me when I was five.
shellycheval

 

[Laura]

Are you married, by the way?

No. Far away from it, in fact.

Good. Don't get married. You would drive a woman nuts and lord knows what might happen.

I guess you are right :D

It's not a permanent affliction. You can observe yourself and your tendencies to argue for the sake of argument. search for "wrong use of sex" here on the forum.

 

[Cosmos]

Are you married, by the way?

No. Far away from it, in fact.

Good. Don't get married. You would drive a woman nuts and lord knows what might happen.

I guess you are right :D

It's not a permanent affliction. You can observe yourself and your tendencies to argue for the sake of argument. search for "wrong use of sex" here on the forum.

Well, I clearly don't get what you are trying to tell me at the moment.
Any specific Topic anyone could recommend me to read, since I'm not able to find something that fits the description of "wrong use of sex"?