How to have an unhealthy relationship
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Atreides
Jedi Master
Yeah, there was a heavy educational slant to it all. I guess you could sum it up with what Joseph Michael Linsner once wrote in Cry for Dawn, the oppressed love their oppressors, and can't wait to follow in their example.
When we are hurt, we tend to think, even if only in round about ways, that hurting is a viable option, and it is, because we see it work so successfully against us. It's hard to come to terms with the subtle, subconscious ways of thinking. It's easy to logically say why one should or shouldn't do something, and yet we still do it, there is some disconnect, and the disconnect is really in the conscious reason for a thing. I think in the end, what we need is to find some deep, subconscious reason why we should or should not do a thing, and maybe that is the core of shocks and lessons. Though the worst type of person to deal with is the one who won't admit that they don't already have that in their core.
If you don't feel to the core that something is right, or wrong, or will work or won't work through some real suffering, then we just tend to slather conscious platitudes and morality onto the issue, and then everyone wonders why we did something, or acted some way when we "knew" it was wrong.
It's because knowing doesn't mean anything. I know we say knowledge protects, but I think that knowledge in that sense is more of a visceral knowing as opposed to "Hey, I read in this magazine the top ten things not to do in a relationship" so I am so totally set!
So we read all these books and our conscious minds are like, oh yeah, that's right I understand. Our subconscious mind is like: Woh sucker, it don't work that way. And just does what it knows will work from experience. If all you experience is victimization, then all you know about success in life is how to victimize. If it worked for them, it'll work for you.
I think the saddest type of person is the one who victimizes without realizing they are doing it, without admitting it. The one who, with self-righteous anger punishes the wicked victimizers of the world to keep from having to look inside and see all the wrong they do.
I should know, it takes one to know one, and I have certainly done my fair share.
When we are hurt, we tend to think, even if only in round about ways, that hurting is a viable option, and it is, because we see it work so successfully against us. It's hard to come to terms with the subtle, subconscious ways of thinking. It's easy to logically say why one should or shouldn't do something, and yet we still do it, there is some disconnect, and the disconnect is really in the conscious reason for a thing. I think in the end, what we need is to find some deep, subconscious reason why we should or should not do a thing, and maybe that is the core of shocks and lessons. Though the worst type of person to deal with is the one who won't admit that they don't already have that in their core.
If you don't feel to the core that something is right, or wrong, or will work or won't work through some real suffering, then we just tend to slather conscious platitudes and morality onto the issue, and then everyone wonders why we did something, or acted some way when we "knew" it was wrong.
It's because knowing doesn't mean anything. I know we say knowledge protects, but I think that knowledge in that sense is more of a visceral knowing as opposed to "Hey, I read in this magazine the top ten things not to do in a relationship" so I am so totally set!
So we read all these books and our conscious minds are like, oh yeah, that's right I understand. Our subconscious mind is like: Woh sucker, it don't work that way. And just does what it knows will work from experience. If all you experience is victimization, then all you know about success in life is how to victimize. If it worked for them, it'll work for you.
I think the saddest type of person is the one who victimizes without realizing they are doing it, without admitting it. The one who, with self-righteous anger punishes the wicked victimizers of the world to keep from having to look inside and see all the wrong they do.
I should know, it takes one to know one, and I have certainly done my fair share.
I have to say I found this hilarious, but I do love satire. Sure, it was close to the bone, but I kept reading because it was funny. And I think that's the key.
In my opinion, one of the best ways to disseminate knowledge about the devastating and depressing state of our world -- and ourselves -- is through humour. It seems to circumvent the "oh I don't want to know about that" response in a lot of people. And when it comes to the PTB, it's not hard to poke fun at their thought processes. (Just have a read of Perceval's articles!)
In my opinion, one of the best ways to disseminate knowledge about the devastating and depressing state of our world -- and ourselves -- is through humour. It seems to circumvent the "oh I don't want to know about that" response in a lot of people. And when it comes to the PTB, it's not hard to poke fun at their thought processes. (Just have a read of Perceval's articles!)
RyanX
The Living Force
Deedlet said:anart said:
I definitely caught the humor in it. I kept thinking of the narrator as Troy McClure from the Simpsons for some reason.
Ahh, I couldn't quite recall what the style reminded me of until you mentioned this. Thanks Deetlet, it certainly does sound like a Troy McClure piece!
I'd have to say, it is quite funny and at the same time educational and reflective. I couldn't help but think there was a bit of genuine pain behind those words borne from experience. Regardless, thanks for posting this Atreides, it made my evening!
Tempus Fugit
Jedi
Well done, Atreides, that was great! Found it very entertaining, insightful, and really enjoyed the Narrator's quick, precise deliveries. Also brought Don Juan to mind and how he would at times drive Carlos nuts with his directness and stunning clarity of vision. Thought Timmy's 'gee whiz mister' attitude was a nice touch to the character and also found myself saddened by thoughts of his probable future lessons and pain due to him appearing so open and naive to feeding dynamics.
Tough to watch each other learn the hard way sometimes, and Narrator was great at telling it how it is and at the same time letting Timmy learn as Timmy will.
Fun read, made me laugh and think, thanks!
Tough to watch each other learn the hard way sometimes, and Narrator was great at telling it how it is and at the same time letting Timmy learn as Timmy will.
Fun read, made me laugh and think, thanks!
Thanks for this, Atreides! It was fun (and painful at the same time) to read. Nothing like making fun of our mistakes and programs to make them lose their power.
This is so true! Very well put.
It reminded me of what Martha Stout talks about in "Myth of Sanity", when she describes the people who can or can't get a cure for their dissociation/wounds. I'll see if I can find the exact quote, but the gist of it is that those who are unable to take responsibility for their own actions and "dark side" (i.e. unable to stop their "victim mentality") will never get better. There is hope for only those who take responsibility and want to be cured, with all the "super efforts" that this requires.
Thanks again, and keep them coming! With a happy ending next time. ;)
Atreides said:
This is so true! Very well put.
It reminded me of what Martha Stout talks about in "Myth of Sanity", when she describes the people who can or can't get a cure for their dissociation/wounds. I'll see if I can find the exact quote, but the gist of it is that those who are unable to take responsibility for their own actions and "dark side" (i.e. unable to stop their "victim mentality") will never get better. There is hope for only those who take responsibility and want to be cured, with all the "super efforts" that this requires.
Thanks again, and keep them coming! With a happy ending next time. ;)
I liked the story very much! I find stories with an important lesson behind it much easier to understand and see in my own life's experience. Like Darkness Over Tibet or Don Juan. Stories with lessons wrapped inside rather than a technical readout.
It was cool how the narrator was pointing out these subtle nuances to Timmy, but never full out telling him, you have to do this, you have to do that! He let him learn some hard lessons along the way.
Looking forward to #2!
It was cool how the narrator was pointing out these subtle nuances to Timmy, but never full out telling him, you have to do this, you have to do that! He let him learn some hard lessons along the way.
Looking forward to #2!
monkey
The Force is Strong With This One
During the Nazi regime, the emphasis on pornography was rife, the intention of this was to diminish the concept of love between two people and undermine the family and the role of the woman, making the state the family hence Hitler - the father. This comes from Sebastian Haffners Defying Hitler. Woman's purpose was to reproduce children for the state.
The same thing is happening to us now. The idea of the extended family was destroyed about fifty years ago, then we had the nuclear family and now this is being phased out too. Undermined intentionally by the media and the so called sexual liberation.
This is exactly how the NWO want us, isolated individuals with no bonds. They encourage us to be suspicious of each other and to shun love - Eastenders, coronation Street all soaps and advertisements have this message. There is no value in relationships anymore If there is no family then the children belong to the state. Its all part of the plan and we are allowing ourselves to be molded into these emotionless, ego orientated, bitter robots.
Our behaviour is being modified...
I think the real challenge in this life is not to give up on the idea of love when all around you have. its one of the hardest positions to take.
The same thing is happening to us now. The idea of the extended family was destroyed about fifty years ago, then we had the nuclear family and now this is being phased out too. Undermined intentionally by the media and the so called sexual liberation.
This is exactly how the NWO want us, isolated individuals with no bonds. They encourage us to be suspicious of each other and to shun love - Eastenders, coronation Street all soaps and advertisements have this message. There is no value in relationships anymore If there is no family then the children belong to the state. Its all part of the plan and we are allowing ourselves to be molded into these emotionless, ego orientated, bitter robots.
Our behaviour is being modified...
I think the real challenge in this life is not to give up on the idea of love when all around you have. its one of the hardest positions to take.
