hydrogen water

however even this one uses Polymer electrolyte like all of them.
This means microplastics galore. So basically they are charging hefty prices for slowly poisoning us.
Thanks for the info, could you explain how it uses polymer electrolyte .. is this how it makes the hydrogen in the base? Apologies my scientific knowledge around this subject is minimal .l

I didn’t really understand this info when I looked it up

A polymer electrolyte is a polymer matrix capable of ion conduction.[1] Much like other types of electrolyte—liquid and solid-state—polymer electrolytes aid in movement of charge between the anode and cathode of a cell.[1][2][3] The use of polymers as an electrolyte was first demonstrated using dye-sensitized solar cells.[4] The field has expanded since and is now primarily focused on the development of polymer electrolytes with applications in batteries, fuel cells, and membranes.[4][5][6]

Molecular design of polymer electrolytes​

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Generally, polymer electrolytes comprise a polymer which incorporates a highly polar motif capable of electron donation.[2]Performance parameters impact selection of homo- or heterogenous electrolyte.[1][2] There exist four major types of polymer electrolyte: (1) gel polymer electrolyte, (2) solid-state polymer electrolyte, (3) plasticized polymer electrolyte, and (4) composite polymer electrolyte.[1][2] The degree of crystallinity of a polymer electrolyte matrix impacts ion mobility and the transport rate. Amorphous regions promote greater percolation of charge in gel and plasticized polymer electrolytes.[2][
 
Thanks for the info, could you explain how it uses polymer electrolyte .. is this how it makes the hydrogen in the base? Apologies my scientific knowledge around this subject is minimal .l

I didn’t really understand this info when I looked it up

A polymer electrolyte is a polymer matrix capable of ion conduction.[1] Much like other types of electrolyte—liquid and solid-state—polymer electrolytes aid in movement of charge between the anode and cathode of a cell.[1][2][3] The use of polymers as an electrolyte was first demonstrated using dye-sensitized solar cells.[4] The field has expanded since and is now primarily focused on the development of polymer electrolytes with applications in batteries, fuel cells, and membranes.[4][5][6]

Molecular design of polymer electrolytes​

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Generally, polymer electrolytes comprise a polymer which incorporates a highly polar motif capable of electron donation.[2]Performance parameters impact selection of homo- or heterogenous electrolyte.[1][2] There exist four major types of polymer electrolyte: (1) gel polymer electrolyte, (2) solid-state polymer electrolyte, (3) plasticized polymer electrolyte, and (4) composite polymer electrolyte.[1][2] The degree of crystallinity of a polymer electrolyte matrix impacts ion mobility and the transport rate. Amorphous regions promote greater percolation of charge in gel and plasticized polymer electrolytes.[2][
Mine too.
They all state they use polymer electrolyte - therefore the plastic is in contact with your water which means you will be ingesting microplastics or so I think.
 
I haven't researched hydrogen related material that much, but have watched a couple of interviews with the "hydrogen guy", e.g. this one:


Apparently, his health had tanked, and he used hydrogen to regain it. He says that the lourdes hydrofix machine is the best one out there, and it should be used with distilled water (he recommends purewater distillers). Apparently, hydrogen gas can also be inhaled to have benefits.

However, the comments section under the above video is worth reading, as some people have doubts about the guy. That said, although expensive, the hydrofix device seems to be a top-notch and long-lasting piece of equipment.


I haven't watched this video yet, but the interviewee appears to be reputable:
Amidst the hype surrounding hydrogen's health benefits, Dr. LeBaron sheds light on the often misinterpreted science behind it. With no affiliations to any product, his insights are purely driven by research and understanding. Throughout our discussion, Dr. LeBaron unpacks various topics from the therapeutic applications of hydrogen and its role as a selective antioxidant, to the nuances of hydrogen water and inhalation methods. We explore the rigorous science supporting hydrogen's impact on mitochondrial health and clarify misconceptions around its use.

 
Oh ok, that makes sense I guess .. I might send the manufacturer an email and ask them to clarify and do some digging myself
Most probably they will ignore this question as they cannot answer it satisfactorily.
They immediately replied when I asked about the bottle material but the question about microplastics has been ignored until now.
It is a pity but it seems technology to safely deliver hydrogen in water bottle doesn’t exist yet.

According to this paper polymers are not safe
https://www.researchgate.net/public...4K76crXChDj-PjMQA8_aem__xwCL61qkR19-aXKamVAvw
 
Thanks for the links.
Is there any information on what technology this device uses?

There seems to be info about the technology on their research page, for example:

We developed a unique process to dissolve hydrogen into water in a stable, natural state in order to prevent the hydrogen from quickly escaping the water. This technology is called Separate Chamber Electrolysis and is the most advanced Non-Electrolyzed Hydrogen Technology in existence. Instead of directly electrolizing or force injecting hydrogen gas, the Lourdes Hydrofix dissolves hydrogen into the water in a natural way. That makes the hydrogen water more stable and long lasting. The pH remains neutral as well (unlike the hydrogen tablets you may have seen on Amazon). The Lourdes Hydrofix Premium Edition produces the longest-lasting, most stable, pH neutral, non-toxic, natural hydrogen on the market.

The Lourdes Hydrofix made SEP/PEM technology the standard in the hydrogen industry. Along with the complete Separate Chamber System, the Lourdes Hydrofix goes beyond basic SEP/PEM technologies. Unlike other hydrogen devices, the electrolysis process occurs underneath the pitcher in a completely separate place from the drinking water. This means that the drinking water is not directly electrolyzed but is still saturated with hydrogen because the membrane only allows hydrogen ions to pass through it. This makes hydrogen gas & water from the Lourdes Hydrofix the most pure for drinking and inhalation. The Lourdes Hydrofix only uses the highest grade membrane from Dupont.

 
There seems to be info about the technology on their research page, for example:





I just had a look. Again they use polymer membrane -maybe I am too hung up on microplastics but paying so much for a device that is not 100% safe doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I will send them an email asking about this.
 
I go t a reply from Hydrogen Health

"We have a non-leaching treatment occur on the PFOS component to preventing any leaching capacity of the membrane. This is important for safety and for the integrity of the membrane long term. We will also double check this with our medical engineering team regarding your request.

Thank you for checking.

Kind regards,

HYDROGEN HEALTH"

So that's a good sign, at leadt they clarified part of it and will hopefully get back to me about the rest!
 
I go t a reply from Hydrogen Health

"We have a non-leaching treatment occur on the PFOS component to preventing any leaching capacity of the membrane. This is important for safety and for the integrity of the membrane long term. We will also double check this with our medical engineering team regarding your request.

Thank you for checking.

Kind regards,

HYDROGEN HEALTH"

So that's a good sign, at leadt they clarified part of it and will hopefully get back to me about the rest!
I got the same reply. Perhaps i will order their bottle and send a sample to the lab to test for microplastics.
 
just got another reply from hydrogen health .. goos news it seems :)

Thanks for your message.

Yes this is correct. There is no micro-plastic leaching.

Also, the lifespan of the bottle base is 4-5 + years with proper filter cleaning and complete charging.

Also for the bottle, the filtering system requires an easy cleaning process every month to maintain the optimal filtering function.

Have you been doing regular filter cleans?

To Clean:

Add Vinegar (50ml) and Water (50ml) in the bottle with the glass attached and allow to soak overnight.

No need to turn on the system during the filter soak cleaning process.

After soaking, please rinse with water several times. (Recommended Every Month)

Thank you.

Kind regards,

HYDROGEN HEALTH
 
Mercola just posted an article about the benefits of supplemental hydrogen (from tablets dissolved in water) based on an interview with Tyler W. LeBaron, Ph.D., one of the world's foremost experts on molecular hydrogen. Here's an excerpt:
At the heart of our discussion was the intricate process of cellular energy production within your mitochondria..Throughout this process, a small percentage of oxygen is converted to free radicals. While some free radical production is normal and even beneficial for cellular signaling, an excess typically leads to damaging oxidative stress.

While incredibly efficient, the process is not without its challenges. When the system becomes imbalanced, it can lead to a state of oxidative stress — a concept many are familiar with. However, what's less understood is the equally problematic condition of reductive stress.

Reductive Stress: The Hidden Threat to Cellular Health

Reductive stress occurs when there's an excess of electrons in your mitochondrial electron transport chain (ETC). This surplus disrupts the delicate balance in your ETC, leading to decreased energy production and increased free radical formation.

"When these electrons start backing up," LeBaron says, "you can cause what's called reverse electron transport. Instead of normally where you would be oxidizing NADH to form NAD+, you would actually start reducing NAD+ to form NADH."1

This reversal can significantly impair metabolism and cellular function. It's a problem that's often overlooked but is at the root of many chronic health issues. Your body needs a delicate balance, what LeBaron calls "redox homeostasis." Too much oxidation leads to damage, while too much reduction impairs energy production.

While many turn to antioxidant supplements to combat oxidative stress, LeBaron cautioned against their overuse: "Taking conventional antioxidants at high doses can actually negate the benefits of exercise training. When you start negating those free radicals and neutralizing them prematurely, you can potentially be blunting a lot of the main benefits of your mitochondria."3

This insight underscores the need for a more nuanced approach to cellular health — one that addresses both oxidative and reductive stress without disrupting the body's natural signaling processes. This is where molecular hydrogen enters the picture.​

Molecular Hydrogen: Nature's Adaptogen

What makes molecular hydrogen so unique is its ability to act as a redox adaptogen, helping to restore balance whether you're dealing with oxidative or reductive stress. This simple molecule, consisting of just two hydrogen atoms, has been the focus of LeBaron's research for years.

And for good reason — it’s uniquely suited to address the challenges of both oxidative and reductive stress.4 He shared some fascinating research showing how hydrogen gas can:

* Suppress excess superoxide production in cases of oxidative stress
* Promote forward electron transport when there's reductive stress
* Induce mild, beneficial hormetic stress that activates our cellular defense systems

Unlike conventional antioxidants that can sometimes blunt beneficial adaptations to exercise, hydrogen enhances these positive changes while still offering protection. "Molecular hydrogen really is an interesting solution," LeBaron said. "It's not a strong drug but it acts as this rectifier, as a modulator, as this adaptogenic molecule, so that it helps to keep things in check."5,6

What makes hydrogen so special is its ability to selectively target harmful free radicals while leaving beneficial ones intact. This selectivity is crucial, as some level of oxidative stress is necessary for proper cellular function and signaling.

As the smallest molecule in the universe, hydrogen can easily penetrate cell membranes and even enter your mitochondria. This allows it to exert effects precisely where they're needed most. Some of the potential benefits LeBaron highlighted include:7

* Reducing inflammation
* Activating antioxidant pathways like Nrf2
* Promoting mitochondrial biogenesis
* Enhancing autophagy
* Mitigating damage from environmental toxins

Importantly, hydrogen appears to have no known side effects when used properly. This safety profile, combined with its wide-ranging benefits, makes it an intriguing option for nearly everyone looking to optimize their health.

 
Here's a recent Mercola article based on an interview of Tyler W. LeBaron, Ph.D. featured in the video above. Mercola recommends using hydrogen tablets dissolved in water as an inexpensive and convenient method.
 

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