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Laura

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This morning, around the breakfast table, we were talking about the recent French court case where a man was acquitted of raping an 11 year old girl because she "consented." As Pierre said, that just tosses on the trash heap centuries of legal precedent about "age of consent" and why children are not considered to be free agents of choice: because their understanding is not developed, nor is their will. The result of this case is French lawmakers saying that the obvious solution is to CHANGE the LAW and lower the age of consent!!!

This bit of conversation was on top of a discussion about the weather and WHEN an Ice Age might finally fall on us. I commented that, when we moved to France in 2003, we certainly expected very different things to happen a lot faster than they have. Obviously, we were quite naive because we simply could not imagine the horrific social changes that have transpired in what we now see has been a VERY brief time period. Society has changed to the point that it is totally unrecognizable to any of us.

As I was thinking about it further, I realized that an entire generation of young people have grown almost to full maturity since 911, and the programming since that day has been unbelievably intense to bring us to this point where our children are fair game to pedophiles, rapists, mind manipulators, medical experimenters, and more. When a society sacrifices its children to a Satanic ideology, it is on the verge of self-destruction.

But what that then made me think about was that this whole thing we are watching happen before our eyes HAS to be a plan that totally transcends ordinary human lifetimes. What drives the humans involved is simply their own greed for money and power while the ultimate objective - which is becoming more apparent as these years have passed - is more horrible than any of us can imagine.

I know this isn't news to anyone, but what connecting the dots did was to demonstrate how freaking accurate the Cs have been about what is going on, that it IS managed by hyperdimensional beings who do NOT have humanity's best interests at heart, and that the worst things they revealed to us, the horrors they predicted, are all too real and are developing and manifesting right before our eyes as we try to live ordinary (or not so ordinary) lives.

Definitely gonna chat with the Cs about all this very soon!
 

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I agree. It just feels like more than ever that everywhere I look things just seem more off than usual.
 

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When the gender pronouns nonsense broke in Canada last year, I thought it would never spread beyond north America...‌

Compelled speech madness spreads to France: French language to be 'corrected' with bizarre gender-neutral 'inclusive writing'

AFP, 13 Nov, 2017

Moves to make the French language more female-friendly have sparked impassioned debate in France, with an appalled Academie Francaise warning of a "mortal danger" to the language of Moliere.

At the centre of the debate is the growing use of formulations such as "lecteur.rice.s" for the word "readers" to embrace both genders. Several government ministries, universities and labour unions use so-called "inclusive writing", but it had largely escaped public notice -- until this autumn when it turned up in an elementary school history textbook.

The Academie Francaise, the arbiter of the French language which has inducted just eight women since its foundation in 1635, did not mince words.
Notice the 'lack of inclusiveness' and 'historical injustice' dig in that last sentence.

"In the face of this 'inclusive' aberration, the French language finds itself in mortal danger," the body intoned.

The widespread adoption of inclusive writing would add a layer of complexity that would make French less attractive on the world stage to the benefit of other major languages, it argued.

French Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer also weighed in to decry "repeated attacks on the French language." French "should not be exploited for fighting battles no matter how legitimate they are," he said.
Even though the French Education Minister is against this trend, it's 'progressing' outside of his control or influence.

But "defenseur.e.s" (defenders) of inclusive writing say the French language must keep up with changing times.
Yes, you're reading that correctly: they're putting full-stops inside words!

Raphael Haddad, whose public relations firm published an inclusive writing manual last year, welcomed the debate, saying it would foster acceptance of the feminisation of the names of professions.

"Ten years ago, people criticised words like ambassadress... The revolution is under way," he told AFP.

The debate comes as the issue of sexual harassment, abuse and violence is capturing headlines worldwide in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal. But it is nothing new, and follows feminist linguistic campaigns dating to the French Revolution.
That may well be the case, that feminism's history stems from the French Revolution, but it only recently, and rapidly, degenerated into absurdity. And note the anchoring of this report within the #metoo trend, which conflates genuine injustices with ridiculous claims of 'sexual harassment': what a convenient 'cause celebre' with which to 'buttress the case' for gender-neutral word salad.

Efforts in the 1980s by Socialist president Francois Mitterrand to introduce feminine versions of the names of professions met with stiff resistance from the Academie Francaise. Then in 2015, France's High Council for Equality Between Women and Men issued a guide urging public bodies to use gender-neutral language that avoids sexual stereotypes. It suggested that feminine forms of the words for "firefighter" and "author" would make women "more visible".
In line with what Laura wrote above, note that this wasn't working pre-9/11, but is 'taking root' post-9/11.

But the school textbook referring to farmers as "agriculteur.rice.s" and shop owners as "commercant.e.s" -- complete with a new punctuation mark called the "middle dot" at the level of a hyphen -- sparked particular rage among French language purists.

Former education minister Luc Ferry asked in a tweet: "Who is the cretin or cretine who invented (this) unpronounceable inclusive writing?" "Rationalist" feminist Peggy Sastre, writing in the weekly Le Point, called it "intellectual terrorism".

'Masculine is nobler'

It was the Academie Francaise that reversed earlier more egalitarian rules derived from Latin. Last week, 314 schoolteachers signed an op-ed on the French edition of the Slate news website pledging to scrap a rule governing the gender of adjectives. They cited an 18th-century grammar book that stipulated a preference for masculine forms, saying "the masculine is seen as nobler than the feminine because of the superiority of the male over the female."

Teaching this in schools, which "symbolise emancipation through knowledge... lead women and men to accept the domination of one sex over another," the teachers wrote.
Utter BS.

Viviane Youx, president of a French language teaching association, told AFP she encouraged a debate that would help "change mentalities".
Oh indeed, they're not aware of it, but they're part of a move to literally rewire people's brains.

But critics such as philosopher Raphael Enthoven object to what they see as a prescriptive, authoritarian approach to the language spoken by some 275 million people worldwide. They say language usage should be allowed to evolve naturally over time.
Of COURSE it should!

Others question complicating the language at a time when official figures show a steep drop in pupils' verbal skills, notably in spelling.
There's probably a correlation between increasing imbecility and the introduction of 'compelled speech' and other recent ultra-liberal injunctions.

But if inclusive writing prevails, the French Standardisation Association will be ready: early next year it will authorise two new French keyboard layouts that will include the "middle dot" needed to write "informaticien.ne.s" (computer techs) correctly.
This is beyond ridiculous.

The madness of compelled speech is spreading.
 

luc

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Yes, these days I often think about what the Cs said about the "invasion" once the "programming is complete":

August 9 said:
A: Prelude to the biggest "flap" ever.
Q: And where will this flap be located?
A: Earth.
Q: When is it going to begin?
A: Starting already.
Q: Is this biggest flap going to be just a flap, or is it going to be an
invasion?
A: Not yet.
Q: Not an invasion?
A: Yes.
Q: So, it will just be inciting people to frenzies of speculation...
A: Invasion happens when programming is complete...
Q: What programming?
A: See Bible, "Lucid" book, Matrix Material, "Bringers of the Dawn,"
and many other sources then cross reference...
Q: Well, if something is fairly imminent, we are not gonna have time
to do all the things you have suggested that we do!
A: Yes you will, most likely.
Q: Well, we are supposed to build a pool, a maze, a
psychomantium, to build a database, get a Nobel Prize... a LOT of
things in the works here.... This just sort of takes the heart right out
of me!
A: Not so!
Q: Well, are we going to have time to do all these things?
A: All these things were suggested for this reason, among others.
Q: So, all the things you have suggested are to get us ready for this
event?
A: Yes.
Q: Well, we better get moving! We don't have time to mess around!
A: You will proceed as needed; you cannot force these events or
alter the Grand Destiny.
It is indeed chilling how "complete" the programming is... you can't make that stuff up! I often thought that people in the past were lucky because there was still more common sense around than in my generation (growing up in the 80s), but this was nothing compared to what's happening now!

Just one of the many signs of the times, but I was really stunned about this thing:

_http://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-thought-police-strike-again-as-wilfrid-laurier-grad-student-is-chastised-for-showing-jordan-peterson-video said:
A Wilfrid Laurier University teaching assistant has been identified as “transphobic” and sanctioned for last week showing her class an excerpt of a video debate involving the controversial University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson.

In fact, her supervising professor, Nathan Rambukkana, told her that by showing the video to her “Canadian Communication in Context” class, “it basically was like … neutrally playing a speech by Hitler …”

Lindsay Shepherd, a 22-year-old graduate student at the school in Waterloo, Ont., was informed that merely by showing the clip, taken from a televised debate between Peterson and Nicholas Matte, a lecturer at the U of T’s Sexual Diversity Studies program, she was “legitimizing” Peterson’s views about genderless pronouns.

She has been told that she must now submit her lesson plans to her supervisor in advance, that he may sit in on her next few classes and she must “not show any more controversial videos of this kind.”
Can you believe this absolute fascist insanity? Re-education committees and all? And how long until you get "re-educated" if you deny that a 11-year old can give sexual consent!?
 

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Laura said:
But what that then made me think about was that this whole thing we are watching happen before our eyes HAS to be a plan that totally transcends ordinary human lifetimes. What drives the humans involved is simply their own greed for money and power while the ultimate objective - which is becoming more apparent as these years have passed - is more horrible than any of us can imagine.
Exactly. On the other hand, the PTB.e.s are also apparently becoming desperate and miscalculating according to those same C's.

So either everything is NOT going so well for them, or things are going so well that they're blind to certain things, or a bit of both.

Which is then why things like "Oh, Russia is now a badass" and "Oh, Hillary didn't become prez" can become part of the reality.

But I don't think any of that could happen if there wasn't any "counter-signal". It's just depressing because it seems like it isn't working because the world is getting crazier every day (and that's like the understatement of the millennium).

I suspect that this chaos coupled with a "sanity signal" is the ONLY way to give birth to something different. Otherwise, you have to do it like the bad guys. But that just means we have to suffer through these wonderful times.

And if I'm totally wrong, well... then we're all gonna die in a blaze of witch-burning glory! :wow:

Anyway. that's why people like Jordan Peterson give me some hope: the dude literally risked his cushy job, family, freedom, and possibly even his life to stand up and speak out. He's got a grandchild on the way, for god's sake! That's not a small thing. And he didn't do it with the C's, a network like ours, etc.‌

That's an epic pair he's got...‌

So yeah... Night before last, I couldn't fall asleep because the depression just hammered me. It was like, "Why bother?" I sat up for almost an hour just floating in it. Fortunately, I fell asleep, woke up feeling okay, and got back to work.

But generally speaking, it has been rather difficult lately to "keep going".

*SIGH*
 

luc

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Niall said:
This is beyond ridiculous.

The madness of compelled speech is spreading.
In Germany too, but in its own insane way: there is a law now that every government body must (!) offer information in what they call "easy language", which is a totally ridiculous baby-language that is supposed to further "inclusiveness" for people with "learning disorders", migrants, and mentally handicapped people. And sometimes this language is already used by authorities instead of real German! Such as during the elections when a party sent instructions about the voting process in this "language" to the whole constituency.

Just to give you an example of the insanity that as far as I can see surpasses everything that has been attempted in other countries - this is from the recruiting website of the German army, no less!!!

Die Bundes-Wehr

Herzlich Willkommen!

Sie sind auf einer Internet-Seite der Bundes-Wehr.


Das macht die Bundes-Wehr

Wir schützen Deutschland und seine Bürgerinnen und Bürger.
Vor Gefahren von außen. Das nennt man äußere Sicherheit.
Wir sind mit anderen Ländern befreundet.
Die Bundes-Wehr kümmert sich auch um die Verteidigung der Freunde.
In manchen Ländern gibt es sogar Krieg.
Dann helfen wir mit beim Wieder-Aufbau für die armen Menschen.
Das nennt man humanitäre Hilfe im Ausland

...

Und es gibt viele Schulungen und Fort-Bildungen.

So können alle immer wieder etwas dazu lernen.
Das ist wichtig.

Wenn die Bundes-Wehr einen Einsatz hat, soll alles gut klappen.
Darum müssen alle eine gute Ausbildung haben.
Und alle müssen zusammen arbeiten.

Sie helfen sich gegenseitig.
Jeder ist für etwas zuständig.
Meistens für etwas, was er gut kann.
Oder wofür er eine Ausbildung hat.
Translation:

The Bundes-Wehr [note: in German, you don't use dashes like that. It's plain wrong!]

Welcome!

You are on an internet site of the Bundes-Wehr.


This does the Bundes-Wehr

We protect Germany and its citizens.
From outside dangers. This is called external security.
We are friends with other countries.
The Bundes-Wehr also takes care of the defense of the friends.
In some countries, there is even war.
Then we help with the rebuilding for the poor people.
This is called humanitarian aid abroad

...


And there are many training and education courses.

So everyone can always learn something new.
This is important.

If the federal defense has a mission, everything should work well.
That's why everyone has to have a good education.
And everyone has to work together.

They help each other.
Everyone is responsible for something.
Mostly for something he is good at.
Or what he has an education for.

Needless to say, there are "translation offices" now that make a LOT of money coming up with this compelled nonsense. Geez, we're the country of Goethe for Christ's sake! Absolutely staggering.


edit: link: _https://www.bundeswehrkarriere.de/leichte-sprache
 

Dakota

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Yesterday I was talking with friend about some charity organization (DINNødhjælp - deres overlevelse) that she wanted to include me. She is convinced that they are dedicated to the idea of rescuing children in Africa. I tried to find something discriminatory on them but I couldn't find anything. The first that I noticed on they page is lot of children pictures and momentarily I fought that this is organization for trafficking. I don't trust them like I don't trust myself. Also, she open group on Facebook about life of children in Croatia and how they starving. She said that she have a need to do something about it and that occasionally she helps some family with food, also sweets. Even I found her act very generous it's hard for me to accept that she is doing it without agenda. And maybe I'm wrong but giving children sweets is like poisoning them. Or it's a better poison than nothing?
My response to her was that I think if this is her goal, need, and that she should go for it, but for me better way is to help to the ones around me, in my small community and when someone ask me to.

The only things that makes me happy and thankfull because I'm here are some spontaneous moments of kindness, when you can felt that there is no calculation behind that act. And this is rare. The rest, IMO, is just complicated net expectations, unconsciousness and selfishness.

There's nothing in this world that I see with same perspective like before couple years ago and it's not depressing anymore, c'est la vie and thing are just the way they are.
 

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Laura said:
This morning, around the breakfast table, we were talking about the recent French court case where a man was acquitted of raping an 11 year old girl because she "consented." As Pierre said, that just tosses on the trash heap centuries of legal precedent about "age of consent" and why children are not considered to be free agents of choice: because their understanding is not developed, nor is their will.
Similarly, children are fully entitled to choose their own gender, and woe betide any school teachers that don't respect their choice, even accidentally.

Insanity: Teacher faces sack after mistakenly calling trans student 'girl', despite immediate apology

A schoolteacher could be out of a job, suspended for calling a trans pupil by the wrong gender while praising a group of students for a job well done.

Mathematics teacher Joshua Sutcliffe, 27, told a group of students that included a teen who identifies as a boy "Well done girls," when he spotted them working hard in class. Sutcliffe said he was then corrected by the student, and apologized immediately.

The Oxfordshire teacher was suspended six weeks after the incident, when the student's mother lodged an official complaint. The school has conducted an investigation into the complaints made against Sutcliffe, and he faces a disciplinary hearing this week.

The Daily Mail revealed that the family also made claims that Sutcliffe was teaching about religious issues during math class and picking on their child, handing out a disproportionate number of detentions for misbehavior. The bullying claim was not upheld during the investigation into the teacher's conduct.
 

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Joe said:
Similarly, children are fully entitled to choose their own gender, and woe betide any school teachers that don't respect their choice, even accidentally.

Insanity: Teacher faces sack after mistakenly calling trans student 'girl', despite immediate apology

A schoolteacher could be out of a job, suspended for calling a trans pupil by the wrong gender while praising a group of students for a job well done.

Mathematics teacher Joshua Sutcliffe, 27, told a group of students that included a teen who identifies as a boy "Well done girls," when he spotted them working hard in class. Sutcliffe said he was then corrected by the student, and apologized immediately.
:jawdrop:

He immediately apologized!‌
 

Mikey

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Item from last week:

https://www.sott.net/article/367009-Top-court-rules-Germany-must-legally-recognize-third-gender said:
Germany's top court has called on the country's parliament to legally recognize a 'third gender' which allows intersex people to identify as neither male nor female. Germany could become the first European country to allow a third gender on birth certificates.
Laura said:
...how freaking accurate the Cs have been about what is going on, that it IS managed by hyperdimensional beings who do NOT have humanity's best interests at heart
Well, that these gender- and language issues are spreading globally, so coordinated, and so fast, indeed would support this. Compare this with how slow other things are standardized/adopted across the globe (units of measurement, telephone charger plugs, software, etc.)

What's coming next???

luc said:
Just to give you an example of the insanity that as far as I can see surpasses everything that has been attempted in other countries - this is from the recruiting website of the German army, no less!!!
My jaw dropped to the floor!
 

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Laura said:
This bit of conversation was on top of a discussion about the weather and WHEN an Ice Age might finally fall on us. I commented that, when we moved to France in 2003, we certainly expected very different things to happen a lot faster than they have. Obviously, we were quite naive because we simply could not imagine the horrific social changes that have transpired in what we now see has been a VERY brief time period. Society has changed to the point that it is totally unrecognizable to any of us.
It sure has. As we've been saying on the Sunday radio show for quite some time now, the sabre-rattling over WW3 and 'nuclear Armageddon' has gotten so old at this point that it seems clear that it's a tactic to keep people distracted and 'on edge', when they have no intention whatsoever of having any kind of world war. The human elite of this world are interested only in safeguarding their own positions and accruing wealth, which they do at the expense of many people that would be wiped out in a world war, so that's not going to happen.

These decrepit elite have no ideology save their own self-interest. Ideology is for the ignorant masses to believe in and to project on to their 'leaders'. As the corrupt and selfish nature of these elite becomes clearer with each passing day, we could be excused for feeling optimistic, that the truth is being exposed and that justice will be served. Unfortunately, the more we look at the situation the more we realize that many of the people who SHOULD be outraged by the corruption on full display are not outraged at all. Instead they willfully swallow mainstream media lies and project the blame on to a scapegoat (like Russia).

So it seems increasingly clear that the only thing that is going to stop the madness that is taking hold of all is some kind of major environmental/cosmic interjection. Fun times! :shock:
 

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Joe said:
Laura said:
This morning, around the breakfast table, we were talking about the recent French court case where a man was acquitted of raping an 11 year old girl because she "consented." As Pierre said, that just tosses on the trash heap centuries of legal precedent about "age of consent" and why children are not considered to be free agents of choice: because their understanding is not developed, nor is their will.
Similarly, children are fully entitled to choose which own gender, and woe betide any school teachers that don't respect their choice, even accidentally.
I don't know about France, but when I was 11 I wasn't even allowed to decide what time to be back home in the evening. And all of a sudden children are not only allowed to choose their own gender, they are also allowed to choose their sexual partners??

What do parents have to say to this?? I'm not even a parent myself but if someone did this to my nieces I'm not sure a legal regulation would stop me - or their parents - from ensuring the abuser would never be able to use the toilet whilst standing up again. This is completely sick. :barf:


Scottie said:
Laura said:
But what that then made me think about was that this whole thing we are watching happen before our eyes HAS to be a plan that totally transcends ordinary human lifetimes. What drives the humans involved is simply their own greed for money and power while the ultimate objective - which is becoming more apparent as these years have passed - is more horrible than any of us can imagine.
Exactly. On the other hand, the PTB.e.s are also apparently becoming desperate and miscalculating according to those same C's.

So either everything is NOT going so well for them, or things are going so well that they're blind to certain things, or a bit of both.

Which is then why things like "Oh, Russia is now a badass" and "Oh, Hillary didn't become prez" can become part of the reality. (...)

As the saying goes, it would be funny it it wasn't real. :scared:
 

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Niall said:
He immediately apologized!‌
Not good enough! The fact that he said the hateful thing he said is evidence that he has internalized discrimination to the extent that it is part of his genetic makeup and therefore he cannot be trusted to provide a sufficiently safe teaching environment for the one transgender ladyboy/girlman in the school. He should be fired, forthwith, and spend the rest of his life thinking about the horrible thing he did and attempting to atone for it, although it is highly unlikely there is anything he could do to make up for such a transgression.
 

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The infiltration of morels from Baghdad by the Bay.

The City > San Francisco News
SF school board hopefuls among growing number of openly trans candidates nationwide
Monday November 13, 2017
_http://www.sfexaminer.com/sf-school-board-hopefuls-among-growing-number-openly-trans-candidates-nationwide/
Snip:
The momentous wins of transgender candidates in municipal, state and federal elections last week moved San Francisco activist Mia “Tu Much” Satya to tears.

“I totally cried last night and again this morning,” the 26-year-old said Wednesday, following the election of Virginia’s first openly trans lawmaker, Danica Roem, to the Virginia House of Delegates.

On Nov. 1, Satya joined the ranks of a growing number of openly trans candidates running for public office when she filed to run for the San Francisco Unified School District Board of Education, where three seats will be up for grabs in 2018. Satya is the second trans person to declare her candidacy for the next Board of Education election.

Satya last year became the first trans woman to graduate from Emerge California, a program that trains women to step into the political arena. When she was admitted to the program, Satya said there were only “three trans people who we could identify who were elected as ‘out’ politicians.”
Transgender candidate discusses landmark win 5:52
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPQapOwLZfE
Published on Nov 10, 2017
Democrat Danica Roem became the first openly transgender person to be elected to state office by defeating a 13-term incumbent who refused to debate her.
Danica Roem
About Story: :shock:
Meanwhile, attracting the best and brightest talent to teach at our schools, work at our companies, set up businesses in our communities and administer our government services means we need to champion inclusive social policies. That includes adding sexual orientation and gender identity to our state and local nondiscrimination policies.
We need to make it clear all are welcome to Prince William County and Manassas Park, no matter what you look like, where you come from or who you love.
_https://www.facebook.com/pg/danicafordelegate/about/?ref=page_internal
 

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Joe said:
These decrepit elite have no ideology save their own self-interest. Ideology is for the ignorant masses to believe in and to project on to their 'leaders'. As the corrupt and selfish nature of these elite becomes clearer with each passing day, we could be excused for feeling optimistic, that the truth is being exposed and that justice will be served. Unfortunately, the more we look at the situation the more we realize that many of the people who SHOULD be outraged by the corruption on full display are not outraged at all. Instead they willfully swallow mainstream media lies and project the blame on to a scapegoat (like Russia).
T‌hinking about this, maybe... but maybe not. 20 years ago most people I know were not sane enough to be outraged. Today, people throw money at JP, yet are afraid to speak up in real life. As for other people, I think they think it's nothing to worry about, because it's just a fad, it'll blow over, etc.

So I think there is a group who disagree with much of this garbage, but they're "mushy". And then there is a much larger group who disagree with it, but won't speak up out of fear because a minority is getting UK teachers fired for being "transphobic".

I think there are higher-ups and even higher "forces" orchestrating all of it, but they aren't necessarily doing it according to some brilliant master plan because by definition they are neither brilliant nor masters of anything - except chaos. They just create chaos, and then try to take advantage of it.

Like:
  • Remind the people why they need us. Okay, VEGAS SHOOTING! Phew...
  • Uh-oh, too many questions, need distraction: HOLLYWOOD! Phew...
  • Oh hey, this gets us closer to normalizing pedophilia...
  • Uh-oh, BLAH has happened! Need new thing...
And so on.

So trying to precisely analyze and discern exactly what they're doing and how they're doing it on a grand scale will probably make a normal person totally mad. We can see bits and bobs of the picture, but then tomorrow something new happens, things change, rinse and repeat.

I wouldn't say any of that is necessarily positive. It's just a chink in the armor, and I think we have been and should continue to exploit it. Actually, lately I've been thinking that prolly half the planet's population will be wiped out in one way or another in the near future. So, that's also a part of my "optimistic" view of things! I will gladly be wrong on that one.
:rotfl:

I think the big problem is that it would be more "satisfying" if we were bad guys. Then we could conspire, kill people, rig elections, destroy the paper trail, and then sit back and go, "YUP! That was me. Awesome."

But the way we "good guys" have to do stuff is like: "Yup, posted that on FB. Smacked 'em good. Have absolutely NO FRICKIN' IDEA if it will have any effect at all. God, I'm so depressed..." And yet we are still here and still doing it, so obviously deep down we do think it's having an effect or we would have thrown in the towel.

Spock would say we are illogical. I would say our definition of "logic" is limited by our perceptions. Doggie logic != human logic, but both are valid. And not.
:cuckoo:

Joe said:
So it seems increasingly clear that the only thing that is going to stop the madness that is taking hold of all is some kind of major environmental/cosmic interjection. Fun times! :shock:
A transgender comet?!

Well, I'm gonna go discuss with Pierre how to dispose of 3.5 billion corpses... Maybe a giant electric arc furnace?
:wow:
 
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