Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
angelburst29 said:
Yep, I agree. I will.
I was shot at yesterday
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Yep, I agree. I will.
denekin
Jedi
Hi Horseofadifferentcolor.
You've gotten some good advice; certainly a paper trail with the sheriff is a good idea. Even just talking to a lawyer can be a good idea in that they can suggest procedures for you you may not know about.
A thought I had is to also talk with other agencies that might end up involved with future incidents with your neighbor: namely, fire department, game department, local hospitals or medical clinics. There are two reasons to contact your fire department: if anyone is ever wounded by your neighbor, the Fire Department might very well be the first responders in an emergency.That they have knowledge of your complaint is to your advantage, and to theirs. The other, perhaps just a tinsy winsy bit underhanded for contacting them is that Sheriff/Police departments and Fire Departments have a lot of overt/covert competition that can go from comic to downright scarey. But my thought is that when the local Fire Chief asks the Sheriff, "You gonna do anything about that Whack Job neighbor of Horseofadifferentfeather?", the Sheriff might feel a pressure he doesn't feel when dealing directly with you. This is also why talking to the Local Game Warden might be useful. You can make the case that you suspect your neighbor is hunting without adequate care for others in the area. I once wrote to a neighbor who was a little reckless with his guns, and told him that there were people poaching on his land (those "people" were him and other family members) and that I was contacting both the Sheriff and the Game Department. He thereafter kept his gun antics on the other side of the hills.
Bottom line, gather all the allies you can, neighbors, police, fire department, lawyers. I am not encouraging hysteria or vengeance, just good management of the situation. The more extensive the record of your experience the better, and the more pressure it puts on those who should be helpful. A polite letter in your local newspaper can also be a good tactic. You do not have to accuse your neighbor directly, you can be diplomatically disingenuous, and simply report the bullets flying around you and your house and ask members of your community if they have good advice on how best to handle the situation. It's taken me 60 years to learn to NOT crawl into my shell when bad stuff happens. I have been surprised at how good the responses have been to standing up against the dishonest and the dangerous.
You've gotten some good advice; certainly a paper trail with the sheriff is a good idea. Even just talking to a lawyer can be a good idea in that they can suggest procedures for you you may not know about.
A thought I had is to also talk with other agencies that might end up involved with future incidents with your neighbor: namely, fire department, game department, local hospitals or medical clinics. There are two reasons to contact your fire department: if anyone is ever wounded by your neighbor, the Fire Department might very well be the first responders in an emergency.That they have knowledge of your complaint is to your advantage, and to theirs. The other, perhaps just a tinsy winsy bit underhanded for contacting them is that Sheriff/Police departments and Fire Departments have a lot of overt/covert competition that can go from comic to downright scarey. But my thought is that when the local Fire Chief asks the Sheriff, "You gonna do anything about that Whack Job neighbor of Horseofadifferentfeather?", the Sheriff might feel a pressure he doesn't feel when dealing directly with you. This is also why talking to the Local Game Warden might be useful. You can make the case that you suspect your neighbor is hunting without adequate care for others in the area. I once wrote to a neighbor who was a little reckless with his guns, and told him that there were people poaching on his land (those "people" were him and other family members) and that I was contacting both the Sheriff and the Game Department. He thereafter kept his gun antics on the other side of the hills.
Bottom line, gather all the allies you can, neighbors, police, fire department, lawyers. I am not encouraging hysteria or vengeance, just good management of the situation. The more extensive the record of your experience the better, and the more pressure it puts on those who should be helpful. A polite letter in your local newspaper can also be a good tactic. You do not have to accuse your neighbor directly, you can be diplomatically disingenuous, and simply report the bullets flying around you and your house and ask members of your community if they have good advice on how best to handle the situation. It's taken me 60 years to learn to NOT crawl into my shell when bad stuff happens. I have been surprised at how good the responses have been to standing up against the dishonest and the dangerous.
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
Something very wonderful has come out of all this.
On the 26th of last month it happened again. Bullets wizzing by our face
It stressed me out sooo bad that my gums were sore and almost bloody. I found that to be a very real example of how fast stress can harm the body. So, we called the cops again and then went on to do one of the stupidest things I have ever done in my whole life. I sat for three hours in the driveway beside the cop waiting to be shot. Seriously, this is really what we did. We needed "proof". Oh my. I really am ashamed to be so stupid. Just sat their like ducks.
To our horror we find out that no reports were ever written on any of the four times, because" no one actually got hurt". Lazy cops!!!!! We bought a metal detector for finding bullets and have so far not found any. So it seemed our only option left was a lawyer. The police officer stayed twenty minutes after his shift was over and handed me a card saying that it sounds like we need legal help for several reasons. At first I thought wow this is great and thanked the cop and held back wanting to hug him. The card was some kind MLM scam for legal representation. All bad reviews online. So not only would I still be in this mess I would also have lost money to a MLM.
So at this point I was feeling very helpless and did not now what to do next. I just kept searching online with the info I had collected and found a phone number. I was pretty nervous about calling because I had no way of knowing what kind of possible nut job would be on the other end. But I was out of options and I thought mabey just mabey the owners of that land did not know about this. Thank goodness that feeling turned out to be valid. I ended up getting ahold of the mother of the family and she did not know any of this.
We started talking and talking and talking. We must have talked for almost two hours. It was amazing. We talked about so much(health, god, politics) for two strangers it was really amazing. We got so in depth that I felt comfortable telling her about SOTT and the health boards. That is something I have never been able to do, as most people would not understand.
On the 26th of last month it happened again. Bullets wizzing by our face
It stressed me out sooo bad that my gums were sore and almost bloody. I found that to be a very real example of how fast stress can harm the body. So, we called the cops again and then went on to do one of the stupidest things I have ever done in my whole life. I sat for three hours in the driveway beside the cop waiting to be shot. Seriously, this is really what we did. We needed "proof". Oh my. I really am ashamed to be so stupid. Just sat their like ducks. To our horror we find out that no reports were ever written on any of the four times, because" no one actually got hurt". Lazy cops!!!!! We bought a metal detector for finding bullets and have so far not found any. So it seemed our only option left was a lawyer. The police officer stayed twenty minutes after his shift was over and handed me a card saying that it sounds like we need legal help for several reasons. At first I thought wow this is great and thanked the cop and held back wanting to hug him. The card was some kind MLM scam for legal representation. All bad reviews online. So not only would I still be in this mess I would also have lost money to a MLM.
So at this point I was feeling very helpless and did not now what to do next. I just kept searching online with the info I had collected and found a phone number. I was pretty nervous about calling because I had no way of knowing what kind of possible nut job would be on the other end. But I was out of options and I thought mabey just mabey the owners of that land did not know about this. Thank goodness that feeling turned out to be valid. I ended up getting ahold of the mother of the family and she did not know any of this.
We started talking and talking and talking. We must have talked for almost two hours. It was amazing. We talked about so much(health, god, politics) for two strangers it was really amazing. We got so in depth that I felt comfortable telling her about SOTT and the health boards. That is something I have never been able to do, as most people would not understand.
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
Ennio said:
From what info we were able to gather is that her son is letting his BMW mechanic go over their. Every time the police have questioned the people shooting they say it was not them before. None of the stories match up so it is very obvious that someone is lying. I know now that the son has not informed his mother of this ongoing problem. I called his number also and he has not returned my call. To me that says a lot about what kind of person he is.
The mother said out load what I was thinking was that it is a shame it took being shot at for us to meet one another and felt their was a reason we were able to meet. I know it sounds crazy. So to answer the question, yes danger still is there as a possibility, but it was really great to talk to the owner and find out that she is in no way condoning that gun activity.
If the men shooting were not given permission then it is criminal intent with a deadly weapon. I will keep on working on this until I feel safe.
angelburst29
The Living Force
Quote from: Horseofadifferentcolor
"We bought a metal detector for finding bullets and have so far not found any. So it seemed our only option left was a lawyer. The police officer stayed twenty minutes after his shift was over and handed me a card saying that it sounds like we need legal help for several reasons."
It takes time, patience and the art of discovery to learn how to properly operate a metal detector. Dropping a couple of D batteries into it and hitting the "on" switch is only a preliminary in getting started. Several "practice rounds" are needed in learning how to set the dials, to correspond to the type of metal you're looking for. Carefully, read the instructions that came with it.
I have several metal detectors, different makes, each with it's own "personality". They operate the same but each handles differently according to their design. I inherited a fancy, expensive - top of the line detector from my Mother (after she passed) with chrome what-not's and plug in ear phones. My cheap Radio Shack model (without ear phones) out performs and out lasts (in battery duration) my Mother's fancy (eye candy) type model. Both work and perform a task but handle differently.
You mention, not being able to fine any bullet fragments. What about the "one" that just wizzed by you and what about the one you reported the first time and prior occasions? They had to "land or penetrate" somewhere close by.
Granted, the casing is alot smaller than the bullet, itself but large enough to be detected by a metal detector. Once you locate one, finding more will become easier, through practice. In the situation, you have described from the beginning of this Post, it wouldn't surprise me to learn, you have collected several "pounds" worth of bullet fragments from the property. BTW, Pounds is not a typo!
In retrospect, I could have suggested a pair of tuning forks (divining rods) or for that matter, Hemlock or Weeping Willow branches for the same outcome, although it involves heavier concentration and a form of tunnel vision in assessing the environment and your own bio-feedback. A Metal Detector is easier to use.
I can understand why you called the Cops again but your statement, "no reports were ever written on any of the four times, because" no one actually got hurt". Lazy cops!!!!! " Chances are, the Cops are only following protocol or lack of, until they have something more tangible in evidence to work with. Reason I suggested the Metal Detector and how to use it to gather evidence. Unfortunately, it's up to you to provide the evidence - to have the situation properly addressed. By systematically, gathering and logging the evidence found, taking a sampling (and photo's) to the Sheriff's Office, you have legally took the first steps in defending your position. It automatically, set's the Sheriff's Office and his authority into action. The bullet fragments will be taken as evidence and tested. Legal representation will be set up, upon the outcome of ballistics testing and a Search Warrent activated.
As for "the Mother of the Owner" conversation, I believe I gave a warning about placing yourself in a compromising situaton - that may be twisted and used against you in the future?
Take this quote for instance, "The mother said out load what I was thinking was that it is a shame it took being shot at for us to meet one another and felt their was a reason we were able to meet. I know it sounds crazy. So to answer the question, yes danger still is there as a possibility, but it was really great to talk to the owner and find out that she is in no way condoning that gun activity."
Your quote: "...it is a shame it took "being shot at" for us to meet one another" - say WHAT? My opinion, you may be running a "be nice" program, side tracking your own security and that of your Love One's, by minimizing her responsibility and those responsible for firing bullets within your living environment, as in, " yes danger still is there as a possibility" but - but - but - "she is in no way condoning that gun activity."
Ever hear of the Miramdum Right's - anything you say or do - can be used against you - in a Court of Law?
Anything - anything said in that two hour or so conversation between "You and the Mother of the Owner" could be used against you (if recorded and presented in Court - as evidence - even though it may have been altered in some way) or against her, in retrospect. She was probably street wise enough to reason, anything she said to you - would have been admissible in Court "if recorded or stated otherwise." Did you record the conversation? She would try to pacify and agree with you, on almost every point you brought up while trying to learn more on "your background." Consider your statement, "We talked about so much(health, god, politics) for two strangers it was really amazing. We got so in depth that I felt comfortable telling her about SOTT and the health boards." And what did you learn about her, who she is or her family background? Probably, nothing! While you went on and on about every faucet of your life. Confortable, yes? Depending on her true character, you may have placed yourself in more intimate danger, that of an expendable? The next bullet might not miss???
In my personal estimation, there's even more urgency, in acquiring needed evidence, now that you have made personal contact with the owner's Mother. No Legal Advisor can take the first legal step in defending you - without some type of evidence. The same reason, the Cop's haven't been able to help the situation. It's up to you to provide the evidence, unfortunately.
Please, spend more time with the Metal Detector. Your Life might depend on what you can produce!
The evidence is all around you, if you would only take the initive to fine it.
"We bought a metal detector for finding bullets and have so far not found any. So it seemed our only option left was a lawyer. The police officer stayed twenty minutes after his shift was over and handed me a card saying that it sounds like we need legal help for several reasons."
It takes time, patience and the art of discovery to learn how to properly operate a metal detector. Dropping a couple of D batteries into it and hitting the "on" switch is only a preliminary in getting started. Several "practice rounds" are needed in learning how to set the dials, to correspond to the type of metal you're looking for. Carefully, read the instructions that came with it.
I have several metal detectors, different makes, each with it's own "personality". They operate the same but each handles differently according to their design. I inherited a fancy, expensive - top of the line detector from my Mother (after she passed) with chrome what-not's and plug in ear phones. My cheap Radio Shack model (without ear phones) out performs and out lasts (in battery duration) my Mother's fancy (eye candy) type model. Both work and perform a task but handle differently.
You mention, not being able to fine any bullet fragments. What about the "one" that just wizzed by you and what about the one you reported the first time and prior occasions? They had to "land or penetrate" somewhere close by.
Granted, the casing is alot smaller than the bullet, itself but large enough to be detected by a metal detector. Once you locate one, finding more will become easier, through practice. In the situation, you have described from the beginning of this Post, it wouldn't surprise me to learn, you have collected several "pounds" worth of bullet fragments from the property. BTW, Pounds is not a typo!
In retrospect, I could have suggested a pair of tuning forks (divining rods) or for that matter, Hemlock or Weeping Willow branches for the same outcome, although it involves heavier concentration and a form of tunnel vision in assessing the environment and your own bio-feedback. A Metal Detector is easier to use.
I can understand why you called the Cops again but your statement, "no reports were ever written on any of the four times, because" no one actually got hurt". Lazy cops!!!!! " Chances are, the Cops are only following protocol or lack of, until they have something more tangible in evidence to work with. Reason I suggested the Metal Detector and how to use it to gather evidence. Unfortunately, it's up to you to provide the evidence - to have the situation properly addressed. By systematically, gathering and logging the evidence found, taking a sampling (and photo's) to the Sheriff's Office, you have legally took the first steps in defending your position. It automatically, set's the Sheriff's Office and his authority into action. The bullet fragments will be taken as evidence and tested. Legal representation will be set up, upon the outcome of ballistics testing and a Search Warrent activated.
As for "the Mother of the Owner" conversation, I believe I gave a warning about placing yourself in a compromising situaton - that may be twisted and used against you in the future?
Take this quote for instance, "The mother said out load what I was thinking was that it is a shame it took being shot at for us to meet one another and felt their was a reason we were able to meet. I know it sounds crazy. So to answer the question, yes danger still is there as a possibility, but it was really great to talk to the owner and find out that she is in no way condoning that gun activity."
Your quote: "...it is a shame it took "being shot at" for us to meet one another" - say WHAT? My opinion, you may be running a "be nice" program, side tracking your own security and that of your Love One's, by minimizing her responsibility and those responsible for firing bullets within your living environment, as in, " yes danger still is there as a possibility" but - but - but - "she is in no way condoning that gun activity."
Ever hear of the Miramdum Right's - anything you say or do - can be used against you - in a Court of Law?
Anything - anything said in that two hour or so conversation between "You and the Mother of the Owner" could be used against you (if recorded and presented in Court - as evidence - even though it may have been altered in some way) or against her, in retrospect. She was probably street wise enough to reason, anything she said to you - would have been admissible in Court "if recorded or stated otherwise." Did you record the conversation? She would try to pacify and agree with you, on almost every point you brought up while trying to learn more on "your background." Consider your statement, "We talked about so much(health, god, politics) for two strangers it was really amazing. We got so in depth that I felt comfortable telling her about SOTT and the health boards." And what did you learn about her, who she is or her family background? Probably, nothing! While you went on and on about every faucet of your life. Confortable, yes? Depending on her true character, you may have placed yourself in more intimate danger, that of an expendable? The next bullet might not miss???
In my personal estimation, there's even more urgency, in acquiring needed evidence, now that you have made personal contact with the owner's Mother. No Legal Advisor can take the first legal step in defending you - without some type of evidence. The same reason, the Cop's haven't been able to help the situation. It's up to you to provide the evidence, unfortunately.
Please, spend more time with the Metal Detector. Your Life might depend on what you can produce!
The evidence is all around you, if you would only take the initive to fine it.
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
angelburst29 said:
Ok angelburst, I have been listening to the things you have advised. Here is the deal though.
1) I have nothing to give a lawyer
2) I can not afford a lawyer
3) Yes time was running thin on when this could happen again
4) I am the only willing person in any of this to take action
Your advise on the metal detector is great but I get the impression that you think I am not trying very hard. To get a better idea of what I'm looking at, let me explain the lay of the land. We are on top of a very steep hill. Our land has very little sloping flat land and the rest are cliffs. Aside from the huge amount of work that has been done on top of the hill, we have not had the time and money yet to finish clearing the rest of the land from invasive overgrown cedars that are so thick it is almost impossible to walk through. I have still been trying though.
Also being on the very top of the hill(where are cabin is) over looks a large valley. The bullets have only a few times come close to our heads by the house. Most are streaming through the valley to the hill across from us. That man who owns that land has been there 2 out of the4 times this has happened. His words are I don't owe anybody anything. So, we think that a lot of them have ended up over there but are not allowed to go over there(one of the worst people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting).The hill beside ours from the direction the bullets are coming from that ownner has thirteen acres of uncleared land. We have permission to look on his land but have only gotten so far with all those darn cedars blocking they way. So between the easements and all that land combined it truly is a needle in a haystack that is on the side of a cliff!
So I'm still trying and the ONLY reason I called the owner was to well....... do something..... anything. Wether that is right or wrong thing to do remains to be seen. Something must be done and I felt/feel pretty frantic about it.
This is the reason I have posted is to hear feedback because I know how emotionally I can run my horses when angry and scared. I really felt is was my only option left at this time.
Good to hear that the cheapy detector works better, cause that's what we got. Thankyou for the tips on using it. As for tuning forks. I thought they only worked with water. Always thought that was pretty amazing. The first time I heard of them I thought that person was pulling my leg. ;D
angelburst29
The Living Force
Quote from: Horseofadifferentcolor
"Your advise on the metal detector is great but I get the impression that you think I am not trying very hard. " " I am the only willing person in any of this to take action."
Great, you got a Metal Detector, you took "action" and did something but the impression I'm getting is that you're still waiting "for someone else" to solve the issue of the bullets wizzing by your head. In this recent incident (26th of last Month), you called the Cop's for the 5th time, only to find out - that the last four times were unlogged or documented - due to "no evidence" to support your Claim. They need "solid evidence" to proceed in an investigation. Reason, a Metal Detector was suggested to locate bullet casings.
Quote: " To get a better idea of what I'm looking at, let me explain the lay of the land. We are on top of a very steep hill. " "Also being on the very top of the hill(where are cabin is) over looks a large valley. The bullets have only a few times come close to our heads by the house. Most are streaming through the valley to the hill across from us."
My suggestion, instead of trying to lump everything into one grand sum, concentrate your efforts in and around the immediate living space including the cabin and livestock area. Your whole spiel on "the lay of the land" is only secondary, to your concerns. Yes, it's part and parcel, as a whole in the scheme of things but unwarranted invasion of live streaming bullets wizzing by your head within the perimeters of your immediate living space (cabin) is a serious invasion of privacy and well-being. Plus, being "on the top of a very steep hill" adds to the infractions of mis-use, voluntary/involuntary conduct and criminal intent of a Firearm. Is he hunting Eagles or UFO's or more into "moving targets' for "sport?" Either way, he's in serious trouble with the law and sovereignty against your personal security.
The secondary issue, is the valley below with incidents of bullets "streaming through." The location is the
"ingress and exit to your property and home dwelling" on top of a steep hill. Your personal safety and that of other's has been compromised - on all fronts of access - aka - to and from and the location, itself. Add to the situation, the uncertainty of when "he or one of his buddy's get's in the mood to play again" to the equation.
Waiting for a live bullet, to pierce human or animal flesh, as evidence, is irresponsible intent. Especially, since the situation has been "on-going" for a set period of time. Non-action on your part, or your partner/husband (whatever the case may be) in a sub-subtle sense, makes you an accessory to a premeditate crime. Frantically, calling the Cop's on a number of occasions - with little or no evidence to back up or support your Claim, no matter how valid, (sadly) holds very little weight in a US Court of Law. Worse case scenario, the Cop's label you "a possible nut-job" and on the next frantic call, fail to respond to you, while you're laying in a pool of blood, located and isolated on top of a steep mountain hill. Your chances of survival or anyone else's, for that matter - are null. Even, if taken seriously of being shot and with your location, by the time an emergency Medic Vac reaches you and fly's you to a medical faculty, your odd's of survival are in the lower percentile, depending on the location and severity of the wound. In reality - that's the real "deal"! Not, if you can afford a Lawyer.
Quote: "So I'm still trying and the ONLY reason I called the owner was to well....... do something..... anything."
My general and over-all impression is that you still want "someone else" to fix it, when in all actuality, the ball is in your court, so to speak.
Quote: "Wether that is right or wrong thing to do remains to be seen. Something must be done and I felt/feel pretty frantic about it."
It's not a question of "if it's right or wrong thing to do" but more in line with "if your actions were beneficial or compromising to your position." What's unseen, is how the phone call conversation will affect a future outcome? In reality, you're still dealing with a serious and life threatening problem.
It's within your best interests and well-being, to search for the evidence around you - to solidify your Claim, so Legal Action can be taken. No Lawyer, nor Pro-bono will even get involved - without evidence to back up your Claim. The Cop's or Sheriff can't do anything without some type of evidence. So far, you have produced - nothing. It all boils down to "accusations" and your word against someone else's. The ironic part, finding evidence on your property (as the situation stands now) and having it "validated" would place you in position for possible financial Compensation - ordered by the court.
"Your advise on the metal detector is great but I get the impression that you think I am not trying very hard. " " I am the only willing person in any of this to take action."
Great, you got a Metal Detector, you took "action" and did something but the impression I'm getting is that you're still waiting "for someone else" to solve the issue of the bullets wizzing by your head. In this recent incident (26th of last Month), you called the Cop's for the 5th time, only to find out - that the last four times were unlogged or documented - due to "no evidence" to support your Claim. They need "solid evidence" to proceed in an investigation. Reason, a Metal Detector was suggested to locate bullet casings.
Quote: " To get a better idea of what I'm looking at, let me explain the lay of the land. We are on top of a very steep hill. " "Also being on the very top of the hill(where are cabin is) over looks a large valley. The bullets have only a few times come close to our heads by the house. Most are streaming through the valley to the hill across from us."
My suggestion, instead of trying to lump everything into one grand sum, concentrate your efforts in and around the immediate living space including the cabin and livestock area. Your whole spiel on "the lay of the land" is only secondary, to your concerns. Yes, it's part and parcel, as a whole in the scheme of things but unwarranted invasion of live streaming bullets wizzing by your head within the perimeters of your immediate living space (cabin) is a serious invasion of privacy and well-being. Plus, being "on the top of a very steep hill" adds to the infractions of mis-use, voluntary/involuntary conduct and criminal intent of a Firearm. Is he hunting Eagles or UFO's or more into "moving targets' for "sport?" Either way, he's in serious trouble with the law and sovereignty against your personal security.
The secondary issue, is the valley below with incidents of bullets "streaming through." The location is the
"ingress and exit to your property and home dwelling" on top of a steep hill. Your personal safety and that of other's has been compromised - on all fronts of access - aka - to and from and the location, itself. Add to the situation, the uncertainty of when "he or one of his buddy's get's in the mood to play again" to the equation.
Waiting for a live bullet, to pierce human or animal flesh, as evidence, is irresponsible intent. Especially, since the situation has been "on-going" for a set period of time. Non-action on your part, or your partner/husband (whatever the case may be) in a sub-subtle sense, makes you an accessory to a premeditate crime. Frantically, calling the Cop's on a number of occasions - with little or no evidence to back up or support your Claim, no matter how valid, (sadly) holds very little weight in a US Court of Law. Worse case scenario, the Cop's label you "a possible nut-job" and on the next frantic call, fail to respond to you, while you're laying in a pool of blood, located and isolated on top of a steep mountain hill. Your chances of survival or anyone else's, for that matter - are null. Even, if taken seriously of being shot and with your location, by the time an emergency Medic Vac reaches you and fly's you to a medical faculty, your odd's of survival are in the lower percentile, depending on the location and severity of the wound. In reality - that's the real "deal"! Not, if you can afford a Lawyer.
Quote: "So I'm still trying and the ONLY reason I called the owner was to well....... do something..... anything."
My general and over-all impression is that you still want "someone else" to fix it, when in all actuality, the ball is in your court, so to speak.
Quote: "Wether that is right or wrong thing to do remains to be seen. Something must be done and I felt/feel pretty frantic about it."
It's not a question of "if it's right or wrong thing to do" but more in line with "if your actions were beneficial or compromising to your position." What's unseen, is how the phone call conversation will affect a future outcome? In reality, you're still dealing with a serious and life threatening problem.
It's within your best interests and well-being, to search for the evidence around you - to solidify your Claim, so Legal Action can be taken. No Lawyer, nor Pro-bono will even get involved - without evidence to back up your Claim. The Cop's or Sheriff can't do anything without some type of evidence. So far, you have produced - nothing. It all boils down to "accusations" and your word against someone else's. The ironic part, finding evidence on your property (as the situation stands now) and having it "validated" would place you in position for possible financial Compensation - ordered by the court.
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
angelburst29 said:
I have started to see this thought pattern. Yes, I do see that I feel that I just wish someone would do something(fix it), its just too hard and makes me feel bad, I don't want to play this game anymore feeling. I keep finding every reason possible to be too busy to keep on with it. This has been a huge lesson in many ways watching myself and how I handle everything. Or a lack of handle?
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
Mariama said:
Yes, first thing I read this morning. I grit my teeth and almost posted something about gun owners having more rights than the endangered but thought better, because it was my own emotional situation. Good title with Insanity!
MoonGlow
Padawan Learner
Sorry to hear this.
The gang violence was pretty bad where I grew up. We had to patch bullet holes in our walls every month or so, and several of the neighbors had been accidentally shot by the crossfire. I think more people got hurt by stray bullets than got shot on purpose. And there were a lot of homicides.
I'm sure that's where my PTSD started, but it didn't end there. I've been through some ugly places. I'm jumpy. I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack every time a balloon pops or someone lights a firecracker. I don't sleep much, and I wake up and grab a weapon and stalk around the house every time there's a strange noise in the house.
I live in a fairly peaceful neighborhood, and there's almost no call for this sort of hyper-vigilance. Almost. Dropping to the ground, weapons drawn, seems irrelevant to daily life. Except, it isn't. The rare times it's relevant make up for all the times you wind up looking like a fool.
Once, upon my arriving home, my housemates were wandering around in a daze after a burglar had just ran out of the house with a laptop. I grabbed my cane and chased after the burglar, and got the laptop back, and turned her over to the police. Not long ago, somebody tried to jump me, and wasn't ready for someone willing to fight back. Oh, and someone is always passing out at my house with a lit cigarette or food on the stove. That's worth waking up at the drop of a pin for.
Anyway, my advice to you is to stay on your toes. It's not a safe world. I think the stress levels are an acceptable compromise to the delusions of security that so many entertain.
The gang violence was pretty bad where I grew up. We had to patch bullet holes in our walls every month or so, and several of the neighbors had been accidentally shot by the crossfire. I think more people got hurt by stray bullets than got shot on purpose. And there were a lot of homicides.
I'm sure that's where my PTSD started, but it didn't end there. I've been through some ugly places. I'm jumpy. I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack every time a balloon pops or someone lights a firecracker. I don't sleep much, and I wake up and grab a weapon and stalk around the house every time there's a strange noise in the house.
I live in a fairly peaceful neighborhood, and there's almost no call for this sort of hyper-vigilance. Almost. Dropping to the ground, weapons drawn, seems irrelevant to daily life. Except, it isn't. The rare times it's relevant make up for all the times you wind up looking like a fool.
Once, upon my arriving home, my housemates were wandering around in a daze after a burglar had just ran out of the house with a laptop. I grabbed my cane and chased after the burglar, and got the laptop back, and turned her over to the police. Not long ago, somebody tried to jump me, and wasn't ready for someone willing to fight back. Oh, and someone is always passing out at my house with a lit cigarette or food on the stove. That's worth waking up at the drop of a pin for.
Anyway, my advice to you is to stay on your toes. It's not a safe world. I think the stress levels are an acceptable compromise to the delusions of security that so many entertain.
angelburst29
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Quote by: Horseofadifferentcolor
"From what info we were able to gather is that her son is letting his BMW mechanic go over their. Every time the police have questioned the people shooting they say it was not them before. None of the stories match up so it is very obvious that someone is lying. I know now that the son has not informed his mother of this ongoing problem. I called his number also and he has not returned my call. To me that says a lot about what kind of person he is."
A hypothetical scenario for your consideration:
What if ..... the Mother is very aware of what is going on ..... if not the Instigator ..... along with the Son's involvement, in a sorted underhanded scheme to enrich themselves, in a piece of Real Estate - bordering on their Property?
What if ...... the unwarranted invasion of live streaming bullets wizzing by your head, within the perimeters of your immediate living space and the Valley below ..... are not random but a form of Russian Roulette used as "a calculated scare tactic" to get you and your partner/Husband to throw in the towel, placing the property up for sale?
What if ..... to counter-act the one gun/one man theory..... thus properly implicating the Son, multiple player's are offered a chance "to play" (unwittingly used) to ofugate and confuse any investigation by Authorities?
What if ..... Police called in, on multiple occasions, without any supporting evidence to back up "a Claim of Criminal Intent" label the Caller (you) as a nuisance and File a Report into their Database as "a Domestic Disturbance" and the Caller (you) as the Instigator?
What if ..... the Call you placed in contacting the Mother, was recorded on her end, (which you failed to do to protect yourself), and the two hour or so conversation, modified by her to look like "harassment on your part" because "she is in no way condoning that gun activity" is used against you in a Court of Law and you don't have a copy to counter the Claim of Harassment? (Quote: I called his number also and he has not returned my call.) Double indemnity?
What if ..... the phone conversation accelerated and modified their plans, gadged by information directly obtained (in their lap) by you via they consider you the weak link and the one most likely to be easily manipulated into relinquishing Property Title in a Foreclosure Sale, in the event, something happened to your partner/Husband?
What if ..... you returned home from running errands, to find your partner/Husband dead from a bullet wound and multiple investigations, spanning months, failed to turn up the murder weapon, while you slowly went into financial bankruptcy, on the verge of losing everything - Cabin, horses, property et al?
What if ..... the only one's interested in the Property and willing to help you out of a deep financial hole was the Mother & Son, but for pennies on a dollar, just enough to help you break even on the financial end minus anything to re-locate?
What if ..... Month's prior, you had taken the initive, found substantial evidence, had it processed and validated - with the Sherrif's Office handling the Investigation, Arrest and Prosecution - stopping a Nightmare from unfolding?
"From what info we were able to gather is that her son is letting his BMW mechanic go over their. Every time the police have questioned the people shooting they say it was not them before. None of the stories match up so it is very obvious that someone is lying. I know now that the son has not informed his mother of this ongoing problem. I called his number also and he has not returned my call. To me that says a lot about what kind of person he is."
A hypothetical scenario for your consideration:
What if ..... the Mother is very aware of what is going on ..... if not the Instigator ..... along with the Son's involvement, in a sorted underhanded scheme to enrich themselves, in a piece of Real Estate - bordering on their Property?
What if ...... the unwarranted invasion of live streaming bullets wizzing by your head, within the perimeters of your immediate living space and the Valley below ..... are not random but a form of Russian Roulette used as "a calculated scare tactic" to get you and your partner/Husband to throw in the towel, placing the property up for sale?
What if ..... to counter-act the one gun/one man theory..... thus properly implicating the Son, multiple player's are offered a chance "to play" (unwittingly used) to ofugate and confuse any investigation by Authorities?
What if ..... Police called in, on multiple occasions, without any supporting evidence to back up "a Claim of Criminal Intent" label the Caller (you) as a nuisance and File a Report into their Database as "a Domestic Disturbance" and the Caller (you) as the Instigator?
What if ..... the Call you placed in contacting the Mother, was recorded on her end, (which you failed to do to protect yourself), and the two hour or so conversation, modified by her to look like "harassment on your part" because "she is in no way condoning that gun activity" is used against you in a Court of Law and you don't have a copy to counter the Claim of Harassment? (Quote: I called his number also and he has not returned my call.) Double indemnity?
What if ..... the phone conversation accelerated and modified their plans, gadged by information directly obtained (in their lap) by you via they consider you the weak link and the one most likely to be easily manipulated into relinquishing Property Title in a Foreclosure Sale, in the event, something happened to your partner/Husband?
What if ..... you returned home from running errands, to find your partner/Husband dead from a bullet wound and multiple investigations, spanning months, failed to turn up the murder weapon, while you slowly went into financial bankruptcy, on the verge of losing everything - Cabin, horses, property et al?
What if ..... the only one's interested in the Property and willing to help you out of a deep financial hole was the Mother & Son, but for pennies on a dollar, just enough to help you break even on the financial end minus anything to re-locate?
What if ..... Month's prior, you had taken the initive, found substantial evidence, had it processed and validated - with the Sherrif's Office handling the Investigation, Arrest and Prosecution - stopping a Nightmare from unfolding?
All of these things are normal responses to a traumatic event. Like Mariama, I recommend reading 'In an Unspoken Voice' once you get the chance. It will help you understand how this event affected you and why. EE is helpful too, as you know, but if you find yourself feeling overwhelmed consider leaving out Beatha breathing for a while. You have a lot to process, I think.Horseofadifferentcolor said:
You went through an objectively life-threatening situation and your body's deep survival wisdom was mobilized. It's not about comparison to others or "scale of danger". It's about the danger to YOU and your body's will to survive. So, it doesn't sound petty at all to me.
I agree that Texas weather has seemed pretty electric - lots of storming this year where I'm at. Thunder sounds different to me these days, with a lot more variety of sounds than I recall from when I was younger. I'm not sure whether that's true or not, but it wouldn't be surprising give what we know and suspect.
I definitely think that it's best to begin your detector sweeps around your house, moving outward. It would be good to have some sort of system for making sure you check an area thoroughly. Even if you only find one casing, get photos, record your info, and make copies of everything and store them safely.
About EE classes, I'm not aware of anything like that yet in Texas (I could be wrong), but you might be interested in this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30226.60.html
This was red flag for me, too. It reminded me of how psychopaths can draw people in by making them feel all accepted and understood, when actually they are injecting their poison so they can get what the want from you. It is maybe possible, but foolish and potentially dangerous to assume, that she was genuine. However, you may want to really give some thought to Strategic Enclosure, and also perhaps search the forum for examples of it in action.Horseofadifferentcolor said:
Best wishes to you in getting through this, but beware of being complacent. Being shot at, intentionally or not, at regular intervals is not a nice place to be, but could be very fruitful in terms of learning if you can look at the reality of it head on and take intelligent action. Since you are the one in the situation who cares, the leg-work is up to you, it seems. While you work at it, try to be open to be open to possibilities. Ask by doing, and perhaps the Universe will meet you halfway?
Horseofadifferentcolor
Jedi Council Member
Ok, I do see how it would be red flag with talking to this lady and it making me feel better. If someone else had written that, I would have the same thoughts. Like what the heck, her family and or friends of the family is shooting at you and you just want to be friends? What? I do see that but.......
I still have been unable to find any bullets. And truthfully I'm tired of "dwelling on it". It is not helping that all the land owners around us have called my husband to tell me thankyou for all I had done and how thankful they are that someone took the lead and was willing to deal with this. First of all I have not really been able to do anything other than a BUNCH of phone calls that send me in a circle. And second, I imagine the only reason they are contacting my husband instead of me is because they are aware that they need to grow a pair and help out for their own well being. Grown men with children!!! I just do not get it. I think as a whole here all the community has a huge just be nice well its over now, settle down, thanks for taking care of it. That's not helping me. I don't want a pat on the back from them, I want them to act like grownups that care for each other enough to take action.
As for the talk I had with her. She is 70 years old and has a very sick husband. We spoke of hospice and medical care for sick loved ones. This was not a warm fuzzy conversation most of the time. She would have to be a pretty sick person to be making all that up. She brought up most of the hard stuff and it was not a pitty ploy. She would have to be a very good spy to be able to know about certain things to say to me. Her husband has been dying for 15 years and she is tired. She sounded pretty truthful about not knowing about any of this. I believe her. Meanwhile, all has been peaceful and quite after my phone calls to them.
I still have been unable to find any bullets. And truthfully I'm tired of "dwelling on it". It is not helping that all the land owners around us have called my husband to tell me thankyou for all I had done and how thankful they are that someone took the lead and was willing to deal with this. First of all I have not really been able to do anything other than a BUNCH of phone calls that send me in a circle. And second, I imagine the only reason they are contacting my husband instead of me is because they are aware that they need to grow a pair and help out for their own well being. Grown men with children!!! I just do not get it. I think as a whole here all the community has a huge just be nice well its over now, settle down, thanks for taking care of it. That's not helping me. I don't want a pat on the back from them, I want them to act like grownups that care for each other enough to take action.
As for the talk I had with her. She is 70 years old and has a very sick husband. We spoke of hospice and medical care for sick loved ones. This was not a warm fuzzy conversation most of the time. She would have to be a pretty sick person to be making all that up. She brought up most of the hard stuff and it was not a pitty ploy. She would have to be a very good spy to be able to know about certain things to say to me. Her husband has been dying for 15 years and she is tired. She sounded pretty truthful about not knowing about any of this. I believe her. Meanwhile, all has been peaceful and quite after my phone calls to them.
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