ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

[ApotheosisMMC.]

the Alpha Male in my view caused him to lose his temper and shoot her - even firing two more times for certainty

Incidentally, it is quite common for police officers to fire several shots, even at point-blank range, because they might miss a shot (more likely if they shoot at the head and not the torso) and because often a shot could hit a non-vital area, causing the individual to continue moving or performing some activity.

The father of the officer who fired the shots said his son fired because his partner still had his arm in his car. If this is true, and he perceived it as a threat, could it partly explain why he didn't move to the right as protocol dictates, and instead decided to move forward slightly once the car aligned with him when the woman made the clear escape maneuver to force him to stop? Moving further to the right would have placed his partner more dangerously in a line of fire?

 

[Andrian]

[...]
So essentially she was another woke criminal that they are trying to raise up as a martyr, and it is no wonder a lot of Americans are not riled up for her. In that view, this psychological operations has failed. The dropping off her kids propaganda has failed. The legal observer propaganda has failed. The gay wife aspect doesn't help the propaganda either, as transgender DEI has not gone away and people are sick of it.
[...]

In my opinion the psychological operation you've mentioned has succeeded, it remains to be seen how well it did. I guess we'll find out quite soon.

The psychological operation in this case and also tied to everything that happened since Trump's assassination attempt, to me is related to the program change the C's mentioned in the recent sessions, especially after Charlie's assassination.

The program has been "adjusted" according to the situation "on the ground", the objective remaining the same, that is, to further the divide between the people and inducing them eventually to kill each through a civil war or through a different scenario.

It doesn't matter, what's important is for people to be distracted, their awareness sidetracked in a specific direction, in this case towards amplifying the chaos worldwide which eventually could lead to the 4D sts objectives, that is, the enslavement of the entire population one way or another, through their own consent.

Through their own consent i mean that people are being primed to accept willingly to submit to the sts way of being, as the last time, that is, before the Fall.

 

[Alana]

We all have been Palestinians for a while now, as we all saw from the covid mandates and shutdown.

Yeah, some more than others. But I am not going to be supporting Israeli-inspired population control tactics.

 

[Niall]

I don't know where this was filmed, but it looks like a northern US city, and possibly Minneapolis again. You get an idea of the organized 'shooing' method of the protesters/activists to thwart ICE operations:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010420638612439151

...and thus, because of the way they dart in and around the agents' vehicles, and drive their own vehicles right up behind them, you see that Renee Good's fatal shooting is unlikely to be the last.

 

[Liliea]

...and thus, because of the way they dart in and around the agents' vehicles, and drive their own vehicles right up behind them, you see that Renee Good's fatal shooting is unlikely to be the last.

That is why what happened is legally justified (threats, obstruction of justice, etc.). That does not mean that the outcome is morally correct, because these “armed forces,” which behave more like paramilitaries, already knew what to expect in these cases involving women activists. What they did not seem to do was establish a specific protocol for this type of encounter, which did not pose a threat, which also connotes that there is a lack of interest that seeks to generate anger and paranoia in people.
On the other hand, these women activists from the “ICE Watch” protest movement are completely irresponsible for not measuring their actions and provoking this violent response, which party organizations can exploit for greater activism and propaganda.

Exclusive | Here’s who’s really behind the Minneapolis ICE resistance movement

Minnesota-based anti-Israel and radical leftists groups are leading the resistance against ICE.

nypost.com

 

[iamthatis]

I didn't know this, but Vance has stated that ICE agents are immune to prosecution. I can understand the need for immigration law enforcement, but I agree with Ron Unz that it seems more and more like ICE could continue to transform into something like the American version of the NKVD.

Leaving aside the precise details of the incident, there are some very concerning aspects to the case. The FBI initially agreed to a joint investigation of the shooting with local law enforcement officials, but then decided to reject their participation.

Even more alarming was the position taken by Vice President JD Vance, who declared that ICE agents had absolute immunity from local prosecution for murder or any other sort of crime they might commit, although his claim was strongly disputed by various legal experts.

Vance is a graduate of Yale Law School and I am not. But if he were correct—or if that policy were suddenly passed into law by one of Trump’s all-powerful Executive Orders—the implications seem quite serious to me.

We have now established an enormous militarized federal police force of masked ICE agents, regularly snatching people off the streets without warrants, throwing them into unmarked vans, and then sometimes taking them away to “black sites” where they might be denied access to friends, family, or attorneys.

And we are now told that these ICE agents are completely immunized against local investigation or prosecution for any crimes they might happen to commit, whether these are beatings, torture, or even murder. So under this jurisdictional framework, the only individuals able to investigate or punish crimes by ICE would be the employees of the government officials who control ICE, an arrangement much like that of the old Soviet NKVD.

 

[Cosmos]

If he's about to be run over, absolutely. The car backed up and just about ran straight into him. The vehicle is a powerful weapon, and the other video linked after my comment makes this all the more clear.

You could argue most people would just jump out of the way. But yes, I will argue anyone would be in a state of heightened emotion and begin shooting.

I think it is pretty clear that the ICE Agent was making himself a potential target on purpose by choosing to stand like that in front of the car, which is apparently a thing they are actually not supposed to ever do, which makes sense.

You can say that he did it in the heat of the moment AND because his and the other authority type egos of the ICE agents got provoked by those two annoying lefties who refused to do what they were told and that those lefties agitated quite a lot. The ICE agents let themselves to be provoked like that which isn’t a very good thing: that law enforcements would be so easily triggered. And trigger happy.

I think there are two issues coming to ahead there: Two possibly character disturbed lefties who went out of their way to provoke other kinds of possibly character disturbed righties who also did their best to escalate the situation.

In some way you can understand both “sides“ there and that both sides are sort of engaging in dangerous things. And it should also be noted that at least some of the ICE agents might easily become more dangerous agents in the future because power hungry people tend to get attracted to such jobs who want to dictate and control what others do even though it is none of their business.

It doesn’t look all that good for americas future.

 

[SummerLite]

I've wondered who was going to fight in this civil war and they begin to show themselves, I guess. This is bad. We have people like this and probably hidden groups allowed in under Bidens open boarder. With people like this spouting off its easy to see crazies will loose their heads and more fatalities will happen. Thank you DS as all the Greenbaumd are released.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009267494997860368

 

[SummerLite]

Gustavo Petro to visit POTUS.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009279757796462610

 

[Niall]

Day after day, I see videos of ICE brutality on my (predominantly MAGA-aligned) X feed.

So much so that I wonder if the point of such 'showy aggressiveness' isn't the following:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010911988277203110

Not trying to sound blackpilled, but it's becoming increasingly obvious this administration's goal isnt mass deportations.

It's to turn the public off from the idea so that it's never even mentioned again. Everything they do, from the deportation edits to stuff like this is to create the worst optics imaginable so that the Overton Window shifts back to where it was before. If deportations were their actual goal there's a million better ways to do it that wouldn't come off so openly cruel.

Either that or they're just grotesquely incompetent, but I dont think that's the case.

Maybe that's too complicated a 'conspiracy', but the result could essentially be the same if it's just Liberals and the media 'resisting' Trump's deportations in order to provoke situations that bring him bad press and pressure him to roll back the extent to which he'd like to carry out deportations.

 

[mkrnhr]

I don't think there is a need for a complicated conspiracy. The US regime is by billionaires for billionaires. What the peasants believe or are led to believe at some election cycle or another doesn't matter. If the billionaires need foreign peasants because local peasants are debt slaves with useless diplomas who cannot work, they will import peasants from elsewhere. They need workers, they need taxes, they need consumers, they need "diasporas" to sell wars, and they get what they want. Police brutality for "optics" is twofold: "look, we're doing something", and "someday this will be you if you don't grovel enough". People often forget the ever evolving patriot act and corollaries.

 

[JEEP]

Day after day, I see videos of ICE brutality on my (predominantly MAGA-aligned) X feed.

So much so that I wonder if the point of such 'showy aggressiveness' isn't the following:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010911988277203110

The example shown above (17 year old actual citizen injured/traumatized and dropped far away from his employment location) mimics another U.S. citizen illegally handcuffed and detained during immigration enforcement actions at private construction sites in Baldwin County, Alabama, as reported on Sott -

DHS agent tells court REAL ID can't be used to confirm US citizenship​

- in which, according to the article, "masked officers entered the sites without warrants and detained workers based on appearance and occupation." So, we're at the point where official illegal actions can be used to apprehend persons presumably committing illegal actions. Um, sort of exactly like what Trump just did regarding Venezuela (great breakdown by Jeffrey Sachs to the UN Security Council in this zerohedge article).

Add to this comments by Sen. Mark Warner, that ICE agents used to take 5 to 6 months to be trained, now lowered to 47 days (after #47 President?):

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010748493497778473

What's really disturbing is the Israeli component of this training. And, although those who voted for Trump primarily as a response to the Biden illegals invasion and Trump's pledge to remove illegals, did those voters really vote for gestapo tactics to be employed? And, as Niall seems to be suggesting, are we being inured into accepting violent apprehensions as just part of the job no matter what? And, further, that those same tactics will expand to more and more of the population as circumstances develop? So, as much as the anti-ICE protests are on their face despicable - and very likely financed by the same usual suspects running all the previous protest ops - real liberty is being threatened here. But then, what else is new.

Another interesting development concerns the fundraising for both Renee Good's family (and it finally hit me the coincidence of the last name Good) and ICE officer Jonathan Ross. Someone has anonymously donated $50,000 to Renee's fund, but Bill Ackman has donated $10,000 to Ross's fund which has prompted calls to boycott Chipotle:

Chipotle reacts to boycott calls over Bill Ackman’s $10K ICE agent donation​

A Chipotle spokesperson told Newsweek: “Bill Ackman is not affiliated with Chipotle and is no longer a shareholder of the Company.”

The Divide and Conquer aspect is going full tilt.

 

[mabar]

K

Day after day, I see videos of ICE brutality on my (predominantly MAGA-aligned) X feed.

They are just grotesquely authoritarians that need to reach certain quota or goals -depending on who says it-.

did those voters really vote for gestapo tactics to be employed?

When those without papers are considered illegals, and so criminals, depending on who says it, I suppose voters and authorities kind of get in synch regarding how to treat those people as in the same category as other criminals (thieves, rapists, fraudsters, etc.). At least is what I had been observing in social media since last year.

Similar to Renee Good. Since she was a "staunch leftist who haughtily protested against the authorities, she brought it on herself".

 

[John G]

Day after day, I see videos of ICE brutality on my (predominantly MAGA-aligned) X feed.

So much so that I wonder if the point of such 'showy aggressiveness' isn't the following:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010911988277203110

Maybe that's too complicated a 'conspiracy', but the result could essentially be the same if it's just Liberals and the media 'resisting' Trump's deportations in order to provoke situations that bring him bad press and pressure him to roll back the extent to which he'd like to carry out deportations.

The odd thing is that the vast majority of deportations are voluntary ones via the free ticket and some money offered. The forced ones aren't that much more than what Obama (nicknamed the deporter in chief) did. Other than going after criminals, there probably isn't much reason to force deportations and certainly no reason to do more than Obama did. The courts being easy on criminals (immigrant or not) probably isn't helping as far as the desire to force deportations.

 

[JEEP]

When those without papers are considered illegals, and so criminals, depending on who says it, I suppose voters and authorities kind of get in synch regarding how to treat those people as in the same category as other criminals (thieves, rapists, fraudsters, etc.). At least is what I had been observing in social media since last year.

For sure, the public wants justice particularly as high profile attacks/killings of citizens by illegals have rocked sensibilities. But now, perhaps we're overdue for a reality check as to what's occurring with these apprehensions - that exposure and an honest conversation about these abuses needs to be addressed by someone who can catch the public's attention. MSM is obviously not the platform for this conversation as they are the ones fanning the flames of discontent and unrest. Someone like Tucker Carlson comes to mind, but how to get this to happen? Articles on Sott documenting these abuses at least?