ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

[mabar]

There are agents provocateurs in play, but in whose 'favor'?

I guess it's intended as 'standard operating procedure' for 'crowd control', but it's easy to imagine it being used to provoke crowds further and extend/worsen the situation, rather than calm it down.

This might be related, according to this press conference by local enforcements, there is group of agents (ICE and other) that arrived a couple of weeks ago and has been acting unconstitutionally. Not all agents, just a small group.

 

[Voyageur]

Since the subject in the following thread is about ICE I'm sharing here below a few short Jimmy Dore show videos where he shows footage of people being arrested and mistreated verbally or physically, even US citizens and children.

The conditions now seem such that things are not going to go well, osit.

Politics aside, had watched the video that @Glenn had featured, and there are pieces of all this that can't yet be known up close or in he mind. What struck me initially, though, was these agents are trained, at minimum, to understand what the word 'threat' means, and what 'force' - more so, what 'withholding' force means (the latter being the most important). If they do not know that, they are in the wrong job. Any job with a weapon requires maximum situational awareness and the ability to defuse most any given situation.

The shooter had cased out the scene (the car) better than the two guys just arriving, by walking around the car and seeing the driver up close. He also had a sense of the passenger who was standing on the street at the passenger side. Thus, he had some situational awareness, awareness of the driver and likely a sense of motive (why was she there and what might she do). Was the driver a 'real' threat? No, not really. Yet okay, suppose her actions began to be deemed a threat, what kind of threat? Situationally, yes, chance are she might try to speed away - and its not like by this time they won't know who inevitably she is, and could simply drive after her if she bolted. Someone with good training would probably have backed off, warned her explicitly, yet backed off to let her cool.

Here is what this guy did on a slick icy road with a woman, who at worst was a bit hysterical. Situationally, he got in the way of her car, and okay, that was described and is legitimate - albeit stupid, but okay. However, he likely suddenly knew she was going to move as he is basically looking at her eyes and hands through the windshield. She begins to back up, turn her wheels (which he may not have known) and instead of moving aside, what was he thinking in pulling out his service weapon and firing off 3 rounds (double tap and one) in the direction of two other people (and probably more) - another Ice Agent who was just degrees to the side of the driver, and the outside passenger who was trying to access the car? This is shooting 101 stuff.

The shooter's father claiming his son had concern for the other ICE guy with an arm in the car perhaps explains why he shot and perhaps got hit a bit instead of getting out of the way especially given the shooter's history of getting dragged with his arm in a car.

The father might have said, his son is fortunate to have not accidently shot the other Ice Agent, and daresay if the other was me, I would have been livid - being in the line of fire without a heightened real threat that could have easily have been managed (no real hindsight needed). Hand guns are never accurate when control is not completely assured, while any slight movement of the body; a car striking, slipping on ice, overall positioning and quick movements, can make bullets fly off target - to become redirected. To me, this guys seemed a rookie, and maybe he was not, yet his actions this day were danger to all around him (IMO), while unnecessarily sadly killing the driver (who should not have been there).

Not saying that all police are like him. Heck, I've heard a number of first and second hand accounts (not to mention the news), which suggests that A LOT of cops are s***. But I also think a good many of them are well meaning and brave (like my friend), and that the entirety of the profession shouldn't be disparaged out of hand because the good ones - the responsible ones - do quite often have to deal with A LOT of crap in sometimes very fraught and dangerous situations, and are likely not given the recognition they deserve because they are just doing their jobs.

Had met a cop in 1988 at the Calgary Olympics - and this guy was gun guy through and through, and had worked in tough areas of town. In 35 years of service never once did he pull his service weapon on anyone. That was their training, to read situations and measure force, or the complete withholding of force, which appears to all be a thing of the past.

 

[SOTTREADER]

What's the name of the condition where evidence goes against what is perceived as true but one somehow finds ways to explain the evidence away so that their original thinking remains intact, and when challenged, they scream, "I just want peace" in a desperate attempt to maintain their mental facade.

Does the condition have a name?

 

[benklerk]

What's the name of the condition where evidence goes against what is perceived as true but one somehow finds ways to explain the evidence away so that their original thinking remains intact, and when challenged, they scream, "I just want peace" in a desperate attempt to maintain their mental facade.

Does the condition have a name?

I think your describing Cognitive dissonance

 

[Puma]

More examples of "law enforcement"

"My child is a U.S. citizen, please leave him alone."

Trump's Gestapo is detaining children after they leave school, using them as bait to get their parents to open the door so they can kidnap them in front of them while they scream in panic.

Fascism is terror as state policy, open and systematic against the civilian population; it is the use of fear as a political tool against a minority or social group. This is pure fascism.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014231753112662285

A doctor from Minnesota explains the situation they are experiencing because of ICE:

"Pregnant women are canceling prenatal checkups for fear of ICE, emergency rooms are empty because people are afraid to go, unsafe home births are on the rise, and women are giving birth alone because their families fear being detained."

A nurse at a Minnesota hospital recounts:

non-white staff were asked to bring their ID and birth certificates to work because ICE was prowling hospitals and detaining racialized people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014227131086045627

A video of a young boy telling his mom about anti-immigrant harassment he faced while playing soccer has gone viral. CBS News spoke with the mother who filmed her son, Max, as he cried about the bullying he faced. She said she did not post the video to create controversy, but instead to remind people "how deeply our words and actions can effect one another, especially our children."

In the video, the boy says another child told he was an illegal immigrant and that he should go back to his country, despite the fact he was born in America.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014099785230262531

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014342686958932106

 

[JEEP]

What's the name of the condition where evidence goes against what is perceived as true but one somehow finds ways to explain the evidence away so that their original thinking remains intact, and when challenged, they scream, "I just want peace" in a desperate attempt to maintain their mental facade.

I think your describing Cognitive dissonance

Are you referencing Trump at Davos?