ziggystarlust
Jedi
I am always suprized that Palestinian youth continue to throw rocks and be killed, Not very creative. Have they never contemplated bow and arrows?
IDF Murders 16 year old Palestinian Stone-Thrower Near Jenin
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henry
The Cosmic Force
Your comment strikes me as completely without empathy for their situation. It isn't a game. Sarcastic remarks like the above make light of the intolerable situation forced upon the Palestinians. The entire world is against them, yet they hold out.
Perhaps you should read the reports we have published on the Signs page from people who have been to Gaza or the West Bank and have lived with and exchanged with the Palestinians.
Perhaps you should read the reports we have published on the Signs page from people who have been to Gaza or the West Bank and have lived with and exchanged with the Palestinians.
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paulnotbilly
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The British army changed their rules of engagement in Northern Ireland due to the average age at one point of 5 - 6 years for petrol bombers...ziggystarlust said:
ziggystarlust
Jedi
No. It is because I have empathy that I suggest that they think how to fight back and remain alive. If they chose to attempt to kill their oppressors...something I can understand under the conditions that they live...then at least they can fashion weapons that are more effective, longer range and give the Israelis something to think about. If more and more Israeli soldiers start coming home in body bags, maybe the pressure from the Israeli public will turn the tide to a peaceful resolution.henry said:
And we have had this discussion in Casschat several years ago. It's about DOING. What would you DO if you were starving in Palestine/Lebanon and had no money, no job, no recourse? Seeing your family, friends and relaltives getting killed and bombed nearly everyday. Think you could handle it? Could you handle it peacefully? Speaking for myself, I would likely fight back-but most certainly not with rocks.
If you have no money, no job, not even the basics like food, water, electricity and appropriate shelter, would your thoughts be on how to get better weapons? Palestinians, in the state the Israeli government/army keeps them, are barely surviving!ziggystarlust said:
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the rabbit
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When i first saw this post regarding bows and arrows I was taken aback by the suggestion.I saw it as being thought of as humour from Ziggy.I did not find it funny. Now it is a difficult situation in Palestine as we all know. I could not say what decisions I would make under the same conditions.I dont live under them yet.
Ziggy wrote;
"If more and more Israeli soldiers start coming home in body bags, maybe the pressure from the Israeli public will turn the tide to a peaceful resolution."
I dont know how you can reach this conclusion when there are ample enough examples of just how Israels Zionist govt would react .They would speed up their genocidal acts believing now that they had full justification.They dont care that much about what the outside world thinks of their actions.They are a law unto themselves,the chosen people. Since when did Govts care about the humans they send off to fight in wars.
There are Israeli soldiers sitting in jails for refusing to carry out the genocide asked of them,and this number will continue to grow im hoping.The British public have stated that they dont want British soldiers in Iraq,they havent done anywhere near enough to really show that they mean it,though it is known and still they are there. And the Blair govt takes no notice.
When potential soldiers realise that war is a"buisness" in the truest sense, a buisness of killing for corporations at the see-able level , and not defending ones country from an enemy, hopefully they will not join up. Murder is murder whether one wears a uniform or not, and those with a conscience after doing murder sometimes suffer psychologically from their acts for the rest of their lives.
Im sure that if a Palestinian child was to actually kill a soldier with one of their stones they to would feel a great remorse and the psychological consequences of doing so.
It is wrong for "anyone" to suggest that others kill others or to take up arms. It is an individual decision to make full stop! And probably the toughest one for an individual to ever take. Life is not like what you see on the tv and films.
Ziggy wrote;
"If more and more Israeli soldiers start coming home in body bags, maybe the pressure from the Israeli public will turn the tide to a peaceful resolution."
I dont know how you can reach this conclusion when there are ample enough examples of just how Israels Zionist govt would react .They would speed up their genocidal acts believing now that they had full justification.They dont care that much about what the outside world thinks of their actions.They are a law unto themselves,the chosen people. Since when did Govts care about the humans they send off to fight in wars.
There are Israeli soldiers sitting in jails for refusing to carry out the genocide asked of them,and this number will continue to grow im hoping.The British public have stated that they dont want British soldiers in Iraq,they havent done anywhere near enough to really show that they mean it,though it is known and still they are there. And the Blair govt takes no notice.
When potential soldiers realise that war is a"buisness" in the truest sense, a buisness of killing for corporations at the see-able level , and not defending ones country from an enemy, hopefully they will not join up. Murder is murder whether one wears a uniform or not, and those with a conscience after doing murder sometimes suffer psychologically from their acts for the rest of their lives.
Im sure that if a Palestinian child was to actually kill a soldier with one of their stones they to would feel a great remorse and the psychological consequences of doing so.
It is wrong for "anyone" to suggest that others kill others or to take up arms. It is an individual decision to make full stop! And probably the toughest one for an individual to ever take. Life is not like what you see on the tv and films.
ziggystarlust
Jedi
First of all, I don't understand the point about life not like what you see on tv. I have only paid to see 1 movie over the last 10 years, and have not paid for cable since 1990. But I do usually live in the core of cities, large and medium sized and I have a pretty good idea of what goes on in real life. Having driven cabs and limos when I decided to leave the system, one could say that my experiences exposed the underbelly of society that most people never see or know exists. Not pretty. I was a night driver, so I have handled it all and I am still alive.the rabbit said:
Now...Didn't the Cassiopaeans say that many of the terrible storms Laura had experienced, were dimensional bleedthroughs into 3D which in fact were BATTLES between 4th density STS and STO forces? (no way to prove that yet) Seems to me that even if someone advances to the 4th density, one does not seem to stop having to defend or fight for something when the situation warrants it.
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the rabbit
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Ziggy wrote;
"First of all, I don't understand the point about life not like what you see on tv."
The point being that one sees images on tv ,though one does not see inside the mind that has killed,taken another life.It can not be portrayed, only the action can be portrayed.One can never truley relate feel and suffer in the way same way a life taker with a conscience may more than likely suffer ,unless one of course has taken anothers life oneself. Even in self defence. I should imagine it is not the easiest decision to make,and as i have said probably the hardest.
Though I do think that such a decision is ,for a none psychopath the hardest decision that one could ever take and can not be asked of by another to do.
There are other ways of "Fighting" which do not have to take the route of taking anothers life.As I have said I can not say what route i would take faced with an occupation where i see my near "in sight, and in my face" neighbours and family being massacared by such occupiers.
"First of all, I don't understand the point about life not like what you see on tv."
The point being that one sees images on tv ,though one does not see inside the mind that has killed,taken another life.It can not be portrayed, only the action can be portrayed.One can never truley relate feel and suffer in the way same way a life taker with a conscience may more than likely suffer ,unless one of course has taken anothers life oneself. Even in self defence. I should imagine it is not the easiest decision to make,and as i have said probably the hardest.
Though I do think that such a decision is ,for a none psychopath the hardest decision that one could ever take and can not be asked of by another to do.
There are other ways of "Fighting" which do not have to take the route of taking anothers life.As I have said I can not say what route i would take faced with an occupation where i see my near "in sight, and in my face" neighbours and family being massacared by such occupiers.
I don't know what i'd be doing living as the Palestinians do either. But, IMO, what the Palestinians need right now, since 1948 actually, is international support.
I try to think this microscopically: If a muscular huge aggressive student is bullying a timid little guy and throws him into the carbage bin everyday, there's nothing the little guy can do to defend himself against him by himself. He will have to talk to authorities about it, and get support both from authorities and his classmates, all of whom will defend him by keeping an unfriendly stance against the bully, and with their behavior will make him stop. Now, if the authorities disregard the little student's complains because the bully is the son of a higher authority ("God"'s chosen child perhaps?) and the classmates pretend not to see what's happening out of fear of the bully or his father, the little guy will be helpless and in the hands of the bully. Like it happened with the Palestinians. Throwing stones does not help their situation, but it might feel like they are doing something to defend themselves, to protest to the injustices thrown upon them day after day after day.
Edit: Check these pictures out - http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0210/cl_index.html
I try to think this microscopically: If a muscular huge aggressive student is bullying a timid little guy and throws him into the carbage bin everyday, there's nothing the little guy can do to defend himself against him by himself. He will have to talk to authorities about it, and get support both from authorities and his classmates, all of whom will defend him by keeping an unfriendly stance against the bully, and with their behavior will make him stop. Now, if the authorities disregard the little student's complains because the bully is the son of a higher authority ("God"'s chosen child perhaps?) and the classmates pretend not to see what's happening out of fear of the bully or his father, the little guy will be helpless and in the hands of the bully. Like it happened with the Palestinians. Throwing stones does not help their situation, but it might feel like they are doing something to defend themselves, to protest to the injustices thrown upon them day after day after day.
So what? You think that you know how the Palestinians live? You always had a home, i assume, to go to, log the door behind you and sip your coffee undisturbed. Then you were able, i assume, to go online read cass material, then have a warm bath and go to bed in a place with central heating and perhaps even ac. These are luxuries that not only the Palestinians don't have but over half of the population of the earth.ziggystarlust said:
Of what i remember - and i can't find it now - the STO fight is about not giving to/giving into the STS manipulations. Correct me if wrong.ziggystarlust said:
Edit: Check these pictures out - http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0210/cl_index.html
