If one were to develop an "emotional school", what could/should it look like?

I was just reading this passage from Gnosis II by Mouravieff.

Let us come back to the type of the Knight which we took as an example.
If he surveys his failures and tries to get to the root of them, he will
understand the main cause: the scale of values that exists in the environment
in which he works does not correspond to his own. While everyone
around him hankers after worldly power, he is an anachronism who feels
lost in these modern times, searching only for Truth.

Generally speaking, even though the man 2, who is born in the environment
3 of our epoch, is inept for the practical struggle of everyday life,
he has considerable potential for esoteric evolution, due to the constitution
of his psyche. By consciously working on the development of his
intellectual centre-his emotional centre being already awake, and perhaps
even somewhat developed-he more easily balances his Personality. This
is an important thing to know. For the people destined to be the forerunners
of the New Era (which is that of the Holy Spirit) will be chosen
from this group of highly cultivated men 2 who have attained a certain
equilibrium by taking their intellectual development as far as possible.

The position of the man 3 in ambience 3 does not give him the same
advantages from the esoteric point of view.
Of course, he has more opportunities
in practical everyday life than the man 2, but he does not have
the same aptitude for balancing his Personality. He has to begin by developing
an emotional centre which is partially or entirely dormant. So he first
has to awaken it.
This awakening is naturally more difficult for the man 3 in
ambience 3 than it is for the man 2 to develop his intellectual centre in the
same environment. For neither in its form nor in its content does Religion
offer anything constructive to the intellectual type, who is agnostic by
nature. Besides, until now no institution has made provision for schools
or universities where emotional aptitudes may be formed or scientifically
developed.


If a man 3 feels the need for emotional development, for lack of anything
better he will be forced to work empirically.

However, we can give him a valuable hint: human nature has an aptitude
for being trained, and this can be profitably used to awaken the torpid
emotional centre. With subtle and highly refined reasoning, the man 3
must in every circumstance imagine the reaction of the man 2 who is
obedient to the call of his emotional centre. And he must by conscious
effort react in the same way when not driven by emotion. It is a game. He
will make mistakes and stumble many times, especially at the beginning.
But if he takes the game seriously and makes it a permanent methodical
exercise for all occasions, he will succeed in liberating his emotional centre
from its state of torpor. He will then notice its spontaneous reactions and
this first success will encourage him to continue this work. He must
tirelessly persevere in this exercise of awakening until the emotional centre
is completely aroused and quite ready for development.

The man 3 can find that this condition is an advantage. Except for
negative emotions, his emotional centre is not greatly sullied, as it is so
often asleep. If afterwards during the course of these awakening exercises he
takes care that this centre does not become stained by all sorts of
considerations and, above all, is not used for false aims, the man can become
like a little child4 whose emotional centre is awake although undeveloped
and is neither deformed nor tarnished.

So I'm just going to put this out there for everyone to chew on. What could/should such an "emotional school", comparable to the primary, secondary, and higher education of modern culture, look like, while taking into account the apparently unconstructive nature of Religion for man 3 who is agnostic?
 
If "emotional aptitude" refers to the ability to think and react appropriately to our emotions, and man 3 is driven mostly by his intellect, how is it you don't already recognize the school that is now in session? ;)

What exactly do you have in mind? More input, please...
 
I suppose, besides the virtual school that this forum represents, I think it would be a useful thought experiment to consider what an actual brick and mortar "emotional school" that is comparable to "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities, would look like.

What are the ABC's of the emotional life, what is the overall philosophy, and how does one put it into practice?

What teaching methods and exercises would be utilized towards such an aim?
 
Jakesully said:
I suppose, besides the virtual school that this forum represents, I think it would be a useful thought experiment to consider what an actual brick and mortar "emotional school" that is comparable to "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities, would look like.

What are the ABC's of the emotional life, what is the overall philosophy, and how does one put it into practice?

What teaching methods and exercises would be utilized towards such an aim?

Perhaps somehow the opposite methods and exercises utilized in "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities? :huh:

Maybe life outside of "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities - the time spent with family and friends and such - is the intellectual school's emotional counterpart? :huh:

I don't know. Just a thought. ;)
 
When Mouravieff said:

Besides, until now no institution has made provision for schools
or universities where emotional aptitudes may be formed or scientifically
developed.

What did he mean by "until now"?

With subtle and highly refined reasoning, the man 3 must in every circumstance imagine the reaction of the man 2 who is obedient to the call of his emotional centre.

What could be a basis for using reasoning, as described, to "imagine the reaction of the man 2" in every circumstance?

I'm wondering if you have read the entire online Wave series and Adventures Series?

Note: I'm not trying to skirt your questions, I just don't know that we have a suitable foundation for asking them yet...that's all.
 
Jakesully said:
So I'm just going to put this out there for everyone to chew on. What could/should such an "emotional school", comparable to the primary, secondary, and higher education of modern culture, look like, while taking into account the apparently unconstructive nature of Religion for man 3 who is agnostic?

Thanksgiving Dinner at my parent's house?
 
Re: If one were to develop an "emotional school", what could/should it look like

Yes, I've read the Wave and Adventure Series.

And certainly, Mouravieff provides some hints of a general nature as to how emotional education could be conducted, at least for individual seekers.

But then, I have to wonder about the roles that Man 2 and Man 3 would play in such a school, or rather, people who have achieved the level of Man 5, having formerly been Man 2 or 3. There is certainly the emotional experience to consider, and Man 5, having achieved access to the Higher Emotional Center, would be able to teach the ideal emotional experience, but perhaps one who went from Man 2 to Man 5, perhaps, may not know about how to navigate the subjective experience of Man 3 who seeks to become Man 5.

Something to consider.

But I suppose I'm not necessarily speaking of proper esoteric schools, but rather mundane emotional schools, how they would look in the mundane world as opposed to intellectual schools.
 
NoChannelsOnMyTV said:
Jakesully said:
I suppose, besides the virtual school that this forum represents, I think it would be a useful thought experiment to consider what an actual brick and mortar "emotional school" that is comparable to "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities, would look like.

What are the ABC's of the emotional life, what is the overall philosophy, and how does one put it into practice?

What teaching methods and exercises would be utilized towards such an aim?

Perhaps somehow the opposite methods and exercises utilized in "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities? :huh:

Maybe life outside of "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities - the time spent with family and friends and such - is the intellectual school's emotional counterpart? :huh:

I don't know. Just a thought. ;)

That was my thought too. Who says that a Man #2 school has to be a physical brick and mortar school? Frankly, I can't picture any such 'school' in the sense that we're used to thinking about it.

I think learning to understand emotions is something that happens in the social dramas of everyday life. There are countless tests and challenges that occur where we have to make choices and learn appropriate reactions. The situation that we find ourselves in becomes the 'school'. The problem is that in everyday life people just react mechanically; there is no teacher, no network, no guidance showing people what are appropriate emotional reactions; and sadly, no awareness that such guidance is even needed.

That's what this forum provides to a lot of people - guidance - at least for those who have caught a glimpse of their mechanical nature and want to network their emotional issues. So maybe what you see right now on your computer screen is about as close as it gets to a Man #2 school? Of course, being a 4th Way school, there's a lot more than just Man #2 stuff going on. ;)

Just my $0.02
 
RyanX said:
That was my thought too. Who says that a Man #2 school has to be a physical brick and mortar school? Frankly, I can't picture any such 'school' in the sense that we're used to thinking about it.

I think learning to understand emotions is something that happens in the social dramas of everyday life. There are countless tests and challenges that occur where we have to make choices and learn appropriate reactions. The situation that we find ourselves in becomes the 'school'. The problem is that in everyday life people just react mechanically; there is no teacher, no network, no guidance showing people what are appropriate emotional reactions; and sadly, no awareness that such guidance is even needed.

That's what this forum provides to a lot of people - guidance - at least for those who have caught a glimpse of their mechanical nature and want to network their emotional issues. So maybe what you see right now on your computer screen is about as close as it gets to a Man #2 school? Of course, being a 4th Way school, there's a lot more than just Man #2 stuff going on. ;)

Just my $0.02

That's also how i see myself such a school, if i understand what Jakesully is trying to say. And perhaps one of the reasons that schools are the institutions that they are today, is because they are "physical brick and mortar". Life is a school but most people fail to see it because they have these institutions in mind as the "schools" where they expect to learn from the "more educated" whatever they will be taught - giving away their own responsibility for the lessons and the curriculum that will be followed.

And since life is a school, this quote i think answers the question too:

'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.' -- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02
 
Guardian said:
Jakesully said:
So I'm just going to put this out there for everyone to chew on. What could/should such an "emotional school", comparable to the primary, secondary, and higher education of modern culture, look like, while taking into account the apparently unconstructive nature of Religion for man 3 who is agnostic?

Thanksgiving Dinner at my parent's house?

Guardian's emotional school is close to the method recommended by Mr. Gurdjieff when he tells the story of the Bokaharian Dervish. Hadji-Asvatz-Troov had riches, a harem of women and power over men, yet his life had no meaning and he contemplated suicide. Then he realized how his dear mother would suffer if he took his life, so he devoted his remaining life to her. He spent ten years provided her every wish, without thought for himself. This selfless devotion to another awakened his emotion center capacity, which is the being property of feeling the inner sensing of another in relation to one's self. External consideration might be called emotional awakening 101.
 
Alana said:
That's also how i see myself such a school, if i understand what Jakesully is trying to say. And perhaps one of the reasons that schools are the institutions that they are today, is because they are "physical brick and mortar". Life is a school but most people fail to see it because they have these institutions in mind as the "schools" where they expect to learn from the "more educated" whatever they will be taught - giving away their own responsibility for the lessons and the curriculum that will be followed.

And since life is a school, this quote i think answers the question too:

'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.' -- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02

I agree with Alana and RyanX, we have to look to what we have now.

For myself, I don't know what the school Mouravieff had in mind would look like. Perhaps we are not even qualified to know, if to formulate such a school requires a person already awake and connected with their higher centres. Only another man 5 can know the world of man 5, or in other words, I cannot see beyond the level of my own Being.

So we look to what we have.

As others have written, the school we have is firmly planted in the real world, not cut off, removed, separated or specialised. Everyday the work happens 'here' and now, wherever that happens to be for each of us. We work within the context of life itself, and use every event as an opportunity - "Thanksgiving Dinner at my parent's house" being an excellent example - to remember ourselves and to work.

Sometimes we tend too much to imagination, dreaming that better conditions exist elsewhere, that there was/will be a better time to work, another way to work more suited to our likes our way of thinking, our image of ourselves. It is the predator's mind again, imagination coming in to divert, distract attention, anything to keep us from the here and now, from being in the one place where it is possible to work, the present.
 
Jakesully said:
, I think it would be a useful thought experiment to consider what an actual brick and mortar "emotional school" that is comparable to "intellectual" elementary school, high school, and universities, would look like.

What are the ABC's of the emotional life, what is the overall philosophy, and how does one put it into practice?

What teaching methods and exercises would be utilized towards such an aim?

Quite the intellectualization about an 'emotional school'... :lol: Accessing the emotions through the intellect can be very 'entertaining', but it's usually not very effective. This entire human experience is an emotional school. The problem with most people is that the door is sealed shut from years of neglect and lack of use, that they can't see the school around them.
 
RyanX said:
The situation that we find ourselves in becomes the 'school'. The problem is that in everyday life people just react mechanically; there is no teacher, no network, no guidance showing people what are appropriate emotional reactions; and sadly, no awareness that such guidance is even needed.

I have in the past entertained the idea of how the world would look like if we had such guidance as children. Most of us don't, unfortunately, we are left in the dark and can even learn that feeling is wrong.

Clarissa Pinkola Estés in "Woman who run with the Wolves" has an interesting addendum at the end of her book where she explains how the practice of story telling within her family had been kept from generation to generation, the stories being used to give the listener deep insights of his/her own internal life and psyche. It was very inspiring to read the book, not only for the book's main content itself, stories with an archetypal content that are dissected in order to shed some light within one's inner world, but also for those glimpses exposed here and there of a family dynamic where things such a healthy psyche are discussed. These very discussions were even refined to an art of story telling. When reading the book I felt as if I was glimpsing fragments of a long lost world.

I also agree with what has been said, we have what we have, the very life we're living and we can only work with it, which is no small feat! Nevertheless, and following Alada's words, many of us still tend to try living a life that not our own, as if that life would solve the problems that our own life, for not being lived, has.
Thinking of it, it is almost overwhelming to realize the amount of potential lessons waiting to be lived and learned within a lifetime. It is a matter of choice, osit, whether to use them or not.
 
go2 said:
Guardian's emotional school is close to the method recommended by Mr. Gurdjieff when he tells the story of the Bokaharian Dervish. Hadji-Asvatz-Troov had riches, a harem of women and power over men, yet his life had no meaning and he contemplated suicide. Then he realized how his dear mother would suffer if he took his life, so he devoted his remaining life to her. He spent ten years provided her every wish, without thought for himself. This selfless devotion to another awakened his emotion center capacity, which is the being property of feeling the inner sensing of another in relation to one's self. External consideration might be called emotional awakening 101.

Thank you go2 for the story in this context and what you emphasize above. I just have a big Aha on how selfless devotion, service to others, emotional awakening and external consideration are connnected. :)
 

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