Imminent Alien Disclosure?

[Approaching Infinity]

One thing I've never understood with these crash retrieval programs: given that UFOs have not, and are not crashing only in the US, how are these retrieval units supposedly able to get to all of the crash sites around the world without hindrance and in time before some 'local tribesmen' get to the craft? Surely some UFOs have crashed, for instance, somewhere in Africa – wouldn't the locals have been able to take pictures and stuff before the Legacy-guys show up?

The CIA's "Office of Global Access."

CIA has a secret office that conducts UFO retrieval missions

The Office of Global Access (OGA)- a wing of the CIA - has played a central role in collecting alien spacecraft since 2003, sources tell DailyMail.com.

www.dailymail.co.uk

While none of the UFO figures have talked about it yet, their sensors are probably of such quality that they can spot crashes instantaneously. There are a handful of stories on the books where locals did get there first, but naturally no one believes their stories. There's actually an African CR story - I think it was called the Kalahari incident. In that case, I think the local SA military got there first, then coordinated with the Americans.

Well, historically the majority of the crash sites have been in the US because that's where most of the UAP activity is (@Approaching Infinity can correct me if I'm wrong).

Could be, but there's no way of knowing, since all such statistics depend on UFO reports, and UFO reports are highly biased toward the English-speaking world, which has the most and best-operated reporting centers. I'd guess that it's a combination: U.S. does have more activity, but those numbers are greatly inflated in the statistics because of reporting bias.

As for the egg, here's an analysis. Definitely not a balloon/aerostat, but nothing to confirm what it is. Whatever it is, it is heavy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881016226773954962

Edit: Billy revised his opinion: not that heavy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881077312428331394

 

[Ennio]

Coulthard's fascinating interview with Jake Barber, the helicopter pilot whistleblower who has come forward to speak about his crash retrieval program experience.

One of the most interesting bits of insight imo, and in the context of the larger issue of Disclosure, came when Coulthard asked Barber about the ontological shock that the public, he thought, is likely to experience - now hearing that not only are the aliens real, but that telepathy and psychic powers exist as well.

Barber's response:

"I don't think there's going to be an ontological shock. I think its going to be an ontological relief. Because I think everyone deep down knows that there's more to life than what we're being told and experiencing like - not only is it not shocking but it should be welcome."

There are a couple of things that seem to support the thought that, among a good many (but not necessarily all), 'Disclosure' may come as something of a relief. Though it is likely, too, to be something of a mixed bag on the whole I think.

Clif High's web-bots and scouring of predictive language from the internet speak to this sort of thing; that there are deeper levels of knowledge that the public already has, that just come out, and are reflected in, the words and expressions we use (because of an innate but unacknowledged psychic ability). Regardless of whether Clif is able to always interpret/assess this language correctly, the implication is that there are large segments of the population that know things, even things of 'Sci-fi' or woo nature, atemporally - but don't know that they know them from, or at, a conscious level. So there's that.

Jeffrey Tucker recently had an interesting article on a phenomenon called 'preference falsification cascade' (based on the research of economist Timur Kuran). Its basically the idea is that a good many people hide their preferences or beliefs because of cultural, societal or political pressures to conform to the dominant status quo position held by the then-current regime in power.

He puts this idea in the context of being pro-Trump, and hiding it until just recently, but we can also recognize it in any number of other issues I think.

Anyway, from the article:

"Kuran speaks of preference falsification, which is "the act of misrepresenting one's genuine wants under perceived social pressures." It is different from self-censorship because people outright lie about what they really think. When the lie persists long enough, people begin to believe the lie and essentially live fake lives, proclaiming fealty to one idea while holding another one in their heart of hearts."

[...]

"It's a tiny case but the problem is ubiquitous. It's all about social pressure, peer expectations, the desire not to stick out, the drive to conform. It's the problem of the Emperor's New Clothes. Everyone says they are beautiful even though he is naked. The story sounds rarified but in fact it is a driving feature of current society and probably all of human history."

[...]

"In either event, public opinion was solidly on the side of the regime. But in each case, something changes and the mood changes. The hidden truth becomes exposed. The esoteric becomes exoteric. People start speaking their minds and acting according to their actual views. In each case, the regime lost control and the prevailing orthodoxy collapsed."

This is what Kuran calls the moment of the preference cascade. It can happen all at once. Seemingly out of nowhere, people reject the caste system, communism, and DEI hiring, behaving as if each system was always awful and had to go immediately."

So even if this latest interview isn't exactly mind-blowing for us here, what is impressive, imo, is how well it serves as another information-building block towards a generally acknowledged and very public acceptance of the alien reality and what many already know on an subconscious level. Many people, I think, will finally feel "allowed" to speak of these things openly and perhaps refute the naysayers and those who aren't yet keeping apace of all the credible whistle-blowing, congressional hearings, etc. - coming to the fore.

Things are unrolling so quickly and credibly now that, if I had to guess, it will only be another year or two (or maybe sooner), before it becomes a major topic of thought/reflection and open discussion - and not just part of an extended and then quashed news cycle; a 'preference cascade' is well on it's way to occurring in other words. And as Barber says, its going to be an "ontological relief". At least for some of us.

 

[Evan]

Something I've mentioned on the NJ drones thread, but bears repeating here I think; the only reference most people have for "aliens" and particularly "alien invasion", is Hollywood movies. In the large majority of those movies, the aliens are decidedly evil, with the plots being, more or less, humans fighting against and defeating the "aliens". I'm leaving out movies like ET etc. that present an alien as cuddly, since they don't involve invasions.

Two questions this brought up for me were:

1) why have so many alien invasion movies depicted the aliens as evil? Maybe it's just that the archetypal idea of being "invaded" has always been a negative one for human beings. Another possible answer is the in the second question.

2) Assuming it's possible for "thor's pantheum" types to influence human creative endeavors like movies (as suggested by the Cs), why have the script writers for most modern day alien invasion movies not been "influenced" to make the aliens a lot more friendly, and thus prepare the ground for widespread acceptance at some point in the future? Maybe it would involve some kind of crossing the line vis a vis free will. On the same idea, perhaps script writers of these movies have been influenced, but in a more protective/positive direction, to avoid widespread acceptance of any possible planned mass invasion.

Anyway, presuming any "aliens" are planning some kind of disclosure in the near future, and presuming they want to create a good impression on humanity when they do it (or in the process leading up to it), they would be well-advised to not present themselves in a way that even remotely resembles any themes from Hollywood movies about aliens.

Assuming these premises are true, then the process of reasoning above necessarily produces a conclusion that allows me to assert with 78.24% certainty that any future disclosure will not bear any resemblance to alien invasion themes as presented in Hollywood movies.

I suppose by preconditioning the world to expect malevolence at every turn, it sets the people up to be more easily knocked off their guard when a hand is extended in friendship (said spider to the fly). I think Rod Serling hit the nail on the head: “To Serve Man. It’s a cookbook!!” Talk about on the nose!! Definitely better than 21.76%!

 

[Approaching Infinity]

The Jake Barber story has been developing in the background for the last couple years. Here are some links for those who want to get into it. Basically, Michael Herrera saw an "octagon craft" in Indonesia, then Barber (or someone on his team) got in touch with him, flew him out to their facility (an underground base), and told him many of the details that came out in Coulthart's special. It's a far-out story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b0gqqs/seven_months_of_investigating_michael_herrera

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164quez/sample_manuscript_release_from_black_program

(this was allegedly written by Barber)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wecomeinpeace/comments/17hoaqv/leaks_provided_to_michael_herrera_by_black

https://twitter.com/x/status/1860869574826037424

Here's joeyisnotmyname, author of the above posts, on UAP Gerb's show (he's a great researcher):

And here's UAP Gerb interviewing Herrera:

Livestream and Q&A with Michael Herrera 10/6/24

 

[Wandering Star]

why have so many alien invasion movies depicted the aliens as evil? Maybe it's just that the archetypal idea of being "invaded" has always been a negative one for human beings.

That can be important.

Rescuers have to save from something.

And through the "bad guys" they can eliminate whoever they want.

 

[msasa79]

That can be important.

Rescuers have to save from something.

And through the "bad guys" they can eliminate whoever they want.

Well, it would make for a nice Hollywood movie plot to have an actual invasion with a mothership in the skies and a long forgotten human brothers and cousins popping up from under the surface of the lands and seas to share their knowledge about how they had done it last time and help humanity on the surface today to repel the alien invasion again. Until they get accepted by the people into positions of power willingly, when they can do whatever they want, even maintain the illusion if deemed needed.

I know, only maybe 1 ppm or even 1 ppb chance for that actually happening in this branch of reality.

 

[taratai]

1) why have so many alien invasion movies depicted the aliens as evil? Maybe it's just that the archetypal idea of being "invaded" has always been a negative one for human beings. Another possible answer is the in the second question.

2) Assuming it's possible for "thor's pantheum" types to influence human creative endeavors like movies (as suggested by the Cs), why have the script writers for most modern day alien invasion movies not been "influenced" to make the aliens a lot more friendly, and thus prepare the ground for widespread acceptance at some point in the future? Maybe it would involve some kind of crossing the line vis a vis free will. On the same idea, perhaps script writers of these movies have been influenced, but in a more protective/positive direction, to avoid widespread acceptance of any possible planned mass invasion.

The "aliens are the Good Guys (TM)" people are already absolutely convinced that the US government is deliberately portraying aliens as evil so the Good And Lovin' aliens cannot help us in any way. The narrative is already here: it's the evil governments and their New World Order that don't allow us to join The Space Brotherhood Of Love.

All it would take for everyone to accept it is to make it the most believable narrative out there.

As it turns out, many people already hate Hollywood. If 30 years ago someone showed them the recent LA fires, they would cry. Today, they cheer on. "Hollywood Is Evil" is not a fringe opinion anymore.
Governments Are Evil is not a fringe opinion anymore.

How far from "see? governments and entertainment are evil!" to "see? governemtns and entertainment are evil, and that's why they hate the aliens!"?
Especially when the state of public discourse is no longer at "aliens? what aliens?" but closer to "aliens are actually real" than it ever was.

 

[Andrian]

[...]Anyway, presuming any "aliens" are planning some kind of disclosure in the near future, and presuming they want to create a good impression on humanity when they do it (or in the process leading up to it), they would be well-advised to not present themselves in a way that even remotely resembles any themes from Hollywood movies about aliens.

Assuming these premises are true, then the process of reasoning above necessarily produces a conclusion that allows me to assert with 78.24% certainty that any future disclosure will not be along the lines of alien invasion themes as presented in Hollywood movies.
[...]

If there will be an alien disclosure in he near future, considering the above, the logical thing will be to present them as "saviors of humanity" if/when the earth changes will intensify. If i recall correctly the C's mentioned something on these lines in a recent session. Thus, people will be more inclined to perceive them as good guys, thus, being more easily manipulated to succumb to the 4D STS "subjugation".

 

[gottathink]

LOL! Yeah, the "Mork and Mindy" association popped up for me as well. Maybe that was intended?

The movie Coccoon came to mind for me, with the giant eggs retrieved from the ocean containing survivors of Atlantis.

 

[Joe]

And as Barber says, its going to be an "ontological relief". At least for some of us.

I can see how it would be a relief for those who have spent a long time aware of the evidence for the reality of "UFOs" and working to uncover it, to finally have some 'closure' on it. Although that might depend on the nature of the disclosures.

But for those of us aware of the deeper reality, I'd say that 'relief' should be chastened by the awareness of the nature of that which is being revealed. I'd say the "aliens" would be rather happy with the idea that lots of people are "relieved" by the revelation of their existence. For those in the know, I'd say concern, if not outright hostility, should be the primary response.

 

[mkrnhr]

Haven't watched the whole interview yet but apparently this is the footage of the egg UFO:

For me it's underwhelming, and whether it's genuine or not, I can see why it may fail to convince. Maybe it's a giant chicken's egg? Or just an egg? The discussion of the controlled disclosure so far has been centered around technology, and military technology. Abductions and cattle/human abductions are outside of the limits of discussion.

 

[axj]

There have been quite a few reports of unmarked shipping containers in US ports lately and various types of secret activity and high strangeness around them:

THE PHENOMENON OF THE UNMARKED SHIPPING CONTAINERS

A number of you spotted this story during the Christmas-New Year's holdays, and sent it to me, and I have to admit, I'm quite…

gizadeathstar.com

If the reports of strange creatures people saw inside are true, it looks like some kind of program to catch window fallers and then secretly ship them to the US for study.

More window fallers could be a side-effect of the apparent thinning of the veil.

 

[daddycat]

Anyway, presuming any "aliens" are planning some kind of disclosure in the near future, and presuming they want to create a good impression on humanity when they do it (or in the process leading up to it), they would be well-advised to not present themselves in a way that even remotely resembles any themes from Hollywood movies about aliens.

A Disney movie is coming out this year showing a kid begging to be abducted by aliens, and then he is abducted by aliens and it is such a wonderful experience.

 

[Joe]

A Disney movie is coming out this year showing a kid begging to be abducted by aliens, and then he is abducted by aliens and it is such a wonderful experience.

I think it would take a lot of that kind of movie - and they'd need to be "blockbusters" - to overwrite the programming of movies like the Aliens trilogy, Independence Day, War of the Worlds (original and remake) and many others.

 

[mkrnhr]

Alien movies have a common theme: Aliens are technologically advanced and super stupid. They're defeated by microbes (war of the worlds), music (Mars Attacks), a computer virus (independence day) and so forth. On the other side, there is ET, encounters of the third kind, and... My stepmother is an alien (I guess nobody remembers this one).