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What kind of filled in the blanks for me in regards to the three octaves was Mouravieff's discussion of the three Absolutes. In Gnosis, he personifies these Absolutes which actually represent sets of cosmic laws. These Absolutes all radiate love in their own way to all the creatures throughout the Ray of Creation. The Absolute I is the love of the creator. It is the gift of life that pervades all entities from the most spiritual to the least.(7th density) Mouravieff defines the love of the Absolute II in terms of a duality of creation emanated in perfect equilibrium. In my view, this level corresponds to STS and STO. The Absolute III maintains biospheres and ecosystems through the pleasure of sexual reproduction. He goes on to say that this third Absolute maintains the General Law, in order to keep organisms in their place so that worlds remain balanced. Now these Absolutes are all nested within each other so that the lower ones increase the mechanicalness of the divine love emanated by the higher one to a level appropriate to the cosmoses that they govern, but that the original energy from the Absolute I is still passed through in some form.Huxley said:Just hit chapter 9, p167 today in ISOTM. And within a previous chapter it explained the basis for the octaves. I somewhat got the jist of that, but now in this chapter G. is applying it to the ray of creation, and the three octaves of radiations that pass through all existing worlds from the absolute. To say i was mind boggled is an understatement... But i kept reading, trying to get the main message of what was being said even if i couldn't understand the technicals.
The diagram in ISOTM shows these absolutes as Absolute, Sun, and Earth. Each of these Absolutes has their own materials to work with, which is why Gurdjieff gives three different scales of hydrogens. If something occurs in 7th density, the energy must travel down the ray of creation across two intervals or "shocks" before it reaches 3D reality. Gurdjieff defines the "shock" between the Earth and the Planetary world as organic life on Earth. Therefore it follows that the receivership capacity of organic life on Earth determines how well the divine impulse is received and how much it deviates from its original aim. This all ties in with the Cassiopaeans' comments about being transducers for the cosmic energy of truth and love. It is likely that the energy to make Earth evolve/transform is being sent, but humanity must administer a conscious shock to the system in order for that aim to manifest and not be deflected by the Law of Seven, keeping the planet in and endless loop.
I think the octave system is an ambitious attempt to bridge science and mysticism. Because it seems to be based on universal spiritual laws, it is infinitely scalable in a fractal fashion. Gurdjieff shows it on the grandest scale in the ray of creation, it can be used to describe the evolution of organic life on earth, the evolution of a man, and the evolution of the substances in his body. It is a fundamental science like physics, that can be used to describe basically any physical phenomenon in the material universe. However, using physics for everything kind of results in requiring lots of complex math to explain every mundane occurrence. So derivative sciences like chemistry and biology evolved which were predicated on certain proofs and theorems derived from physics to simplify and speed up the transmission of understanding which out having to rely on abstract and complicated equations as much. I think the octave system is similar. It is a metaphysics that can act as a foundation for understanding any process, physical or nonphysical, but there are derivative disciplines which convey understanding in a much more direct and concrete way. Mouravieff gives a good example of this in Gnosis II.
So the octave is definitely descriptive and accurate there, but describing it in terms of biology/physiology is much more convenient and to the point. However, the octaves in principle can be applied to any system, whereas biology cannot.Gnosis II P120 said:Food absorbed through the mouth passes through the digestive tract: going first to the esophagus, then the stomach, afterwards passing into the intestines. Absorbtion of nutritive elements has already occurred by the time the food passes from the mouth to the esophagus. Proteins are treated in the stomach, then the peristaltic movement conducts the alimentary bolus along the intestines where the last stages of digestion and the first of assimilation occur. Once the organism has drawn all of the nutritive elements from the absorbed food, the residue is evacuated. We shall note that the complete digestive tract can be conceived as an octave in the following way:
1st Int: Intervention of bile and pancreatic juices
FA: Small Intestine
2nd Interval: The start of reflexes for the evacuation of residues occurs naturally. When this is lacking from various causes, they must be artificially induced or the organism dies.
So I understand where Gurdjieff was trying to go with it, especially since the octaves take into account many nonmaterial processes, but I don't think it's really practical until science has far advanced and methods of detection are much more expanded. When one can study to be a professional "Esoteric Scientist" perhaps the octaves will have greater applicability. Oh, and when it comes to actually being able to "do the math" to see how the hydrogens, carbons, oxygens, and nitrogens combine and change their numbers to different degrees of fineness, I get totally lost too. Personally, I think a "gist" understanding is good enough for this subject, getting into the details of it is a very academic exercise and I don't know if it really bears much fruit at the moment.
I would recommend reading the Gnosis books after ISOTM has had some time to settle. For me, Mouravieff's teaching style was a bit more accessible than Ouspensky's. Since he was in contact with Gurdjieff, he has a lot of the same diagrams and talks mostly about the same topics, except they're explained a little differently.