Information from channeled entity Iliuka regarding end times

[HiThere]

this world is 3 density, and STS are dominant. STS humans will always try to gain trust to use for personal ends. STO inclined people will always have a tendency to initially trust people they don't know. this gives STS an advantage in day to day life as explained in the theory on political ponerology. this isn't the first time someone has thought about this - Karl Marx and Engels were observing similar things nearly 2 centuries ago. As long as some people have faith in others good intentions, other people will see that as an opportunity for themselves. I think that it sits well with the cass material to conclude that we will not be able to create a functioning society in this reality - but that doesn't mean that the STO inclined among us will stop trying of course. But the dream of a functioning society is an old one, and the human material will see to that it will never come to pass - OP's. We should always strive to make matters better for all of us, but I think we will lose sight of our goal if we focus too much on the practial ends of constructing a society - it will always be undermined by OP's. We need to focus on personal growth in each and every one, in my opinion, and through that try to make this and our own spheres where we live in into as good a living environment as we can, but be realistic about it.

 

[Tigersoap]

this world is 3 density, and STS are dominant. STS humans will always try to gain trust to use for personal ends. STO inclined people will always have a tendency to initially trust people they don't know. this gives STS an advantage in day to day life as explained in the theory on political ponerology. this isn't the first time someone has thought about this - Karl Marx and Engels were observing similar things nearly 2 centuries ago. As long as some people have faith in others good intentions, other people will see that as an opportunity for themselves. I think that it sits well with the cass material to conclude that we will not be able to create a functioning society in this reality - but that doesn't mean that the STO inclined among us will stop trying of course. But the dream of a functioning society is an old one, and the human material will see to that it will never come to pass - OP's. We should always strive to make matters better for all of us, but I think we will lose sight of our goal if we focus too much on the practial ends of constructing a society - it will always be undermined by OP's. We need to focus on personal growth in each and every one, in my opinion, and through that try to make this and our own spheres where we live in into as good a living environment as we can, but be realistic about it.

Hello Hithere,

I think that it is a very subtle point and difficult to grasp, and I am not sure I get it fully either, but to stop caring for what IS now is exactly what the PTB wants.
Thinking that there is nothing left to do is to their advantage.

If this society is sick because of psychopathy, not because of OPs, then it is needed that a group such as the SOTT keeps figthing to show that there are alternatives, right now, in this society as it is.
If you remove psychopathy from this world I don't see what could not work, even though we'd still be in 3D, it would be entirely different, not that it would make it "perfect" osit

My two cents ;)

 

[HiThere]

I completely agree. It is paramount that those of us who are STO inclined struggle to change things for the better, and I try to do this in my daily life. At he same time I think it is important to be alert to the dangers of getting lost in the logistics of it, and start arguing over political views, who gets to decide, etc. I think the movie "Life of Brian" by Monty Python portrays in an excellent way how easy it is for originally well meaning, searching people to get lost on the way to knowledge.
It is important to maintain individuality and intellectual independence - avoid being like the group of people in Life of Brian who says after him in unison, "yes we are all individuals". And then frowns upon the one, genuine individual who dares to say, "I'm not" .

 

[Gonzo]

Hi there, hithere,

Can I bring you back to the point of your post, which was to present the chanellings of Iliuka and to discuss parallels to the C's.

You will always find chanellings that have some parallels to the C's just as you will find loads of disinfo littered with truths.

But one should consider what is not being said as much as what is being said. There is a huge difference between fearmongering and speaking truths which have both negative and positively perceived aspects.

Deep consideration should be given to why a source would avoid discussing the negative aspects.

The new age movement is based on projecting tangible concepts that generate feel-good vibes that help people go back to sleep, get distracted or sent down lengthy dead-end paths.

The amount of effort you have put into this thread alone so far, without appearing to budge an inch in your discernment of Iliuka, speaks volumes to which you appear deaf.

Perhaps you would benefit from asking yourself why you are assigning such value to these channelings.
If you have read about the Cassiopaean Experiment, you would realize that channels are prone to, and often littered with, the channel's projections, distortions from other sources wishing to communicate and deliberate disinfo from nasty buggers that would love you to stay within the matrix control system. Sure, there's always the potential that some benevolent being might come through, but the method itself, that of going into a trance and allowing another entity to access and control ones body and mind, is vulnerable.

The Cassiopaean Experiment uses a board to avoid the trance state, so that the participants have their wits about them and can access the information as it comes. Furthermore, nothing is taken as truth, rather, the group seeks to validate all that comes from the C's by researching other sources.

Laura and participants went through communications with all sorts of discarnate spirits and other entities long before the Cassiopaeans (Laura's soul group in the future, IMO) came through.

By using specific strategies, Laura was able to test each being that came through the board to add to her objective discernment. This cannot be done in a trance, as the channel's critical functions are either asleep or controlled by the entity.

Now, they are a few channels that have succeeded in achieving clear contact with benevolent beings, but distortion is always a significant contribution to the results. Even the Law of One channelings are corrupted to a large degree. So, the reader of channeling must always research to validate and build hypotheses instead of beliefs and opinions.

I hope my words support you in your efforts toward uncovering truths and awakening and not come across as judgment. We are here to help each other and we are all at different stages in our awareness and understanding of the illusions around us.

Gonzo

 

[HiThere]

Thank you for a thorough an well put post. As I've previously mentioned, I have no desire to hold on to Iliuka any more than other sources, and this site is the most serious and down to earth site I've come across so far. I have nothing but respect for Laura and her research - and her conclusions. In my opinion it is important to not avoid any subject, and read with a critical, sometimes humorous eye. No community is served well by cutting off too many ties with surrounding thoughts and ideas. This has happened time and again through history; that an independent movement based on strong ideals and characters gets sidetracked by developing too strict a line of thinking, and then over time defines who is on the right side of the fence and who is not. I personally am inclined to believe that this is a real a danger as the enemy without. So in my view any school or line of thought, to maintain its integrity over time, has to connect with all its (honest and serious) participants, and allow the critical evaluation of all kinds osf input, as long as it is judged as worthy of pursuit. It is all too easy to develop a "priesthood" who judges who are worthy of inclusion and who are not. Better to be openminded, alert and with a sense of humor, in my humble opnion. :)

 

[Richs]

Thank you for a thorough an well put post. As I've previously mentioned, I have no desire to hold on to Iliuka any more than other sources, and this site is the most serious and down to earth site I've come across so far. I have nothing but respect for Laura and her research - and her conclusions. In my opinion it is important to not avoid any subject, and read with a critical, sometimes humorous eye. No community is served well by cutting off too many ties with surrounding thoughts and ideas.

I'm nt exactly sure what you mean by this, but it appears you are insinuating that we here should take as 'valid' any and all ideas and interpretations of the reality surrounding us that anyone at all presents - without any corroborating evidence - as long as it makes us all feel good. "Cutting off too many ties"? This means we should maintain "ties" with any and all surrounding thoughts and ideas? Why, if they can not be shown to have any real validity?

This has happened time and again through history; that an independent movement based on strong ideals and characters gets sidetracked by developing too strict a line of thinking, and then over time defines who is on the right side of the fence and who is not. I personally am inclined to believe that this is a real a danger as the enemy without.

This is most certainly something which has to be guarded against and is guarded against by those here, and most especially, by the moderators and Laura herself.

The big mistake I see you making here is assuming that there is some sort of 'line' here the participants in this group have which designates who is on the 'right side' and who is on the 'wrong side'. One of the main purposes of this group is to "network" in the pursuit of the most realistic view of our reality which we are capable of attaining with the information we have available at any particular time. This does NOT include incorporating anything at all which somebody purports to be 'the way things are' without any factual data or proof that this is so.

So in my view any school or line of thought, to maintain its integrity over time, has to connect with all its (honest and serious) participants, and allow the critical evaluation of all kinds osf input, as long as it is judged as worthy of pursuit.

Absolutely, and as you have seen from the responses, that is exactly what this group does.

It is all too easy to develop a "priesthood" who judges who are worthy of inclusion and who are not. Better to be openminded, alert and with a sense of humor, in my humble opnion. :)

You will not find any "priesthood" here. It is not any person who is judged worthy of inclusion into our current view of the world around us, but the information which is scrutinized and judged as likely to be accurate and true. The thing is, generally speaking, that we don't have 'beliefs' here. What we have can best be described as 'percentages of probability of truth'. A person may feel there is a 90% probability of being true of one thing and only a 10% probability of truth of another. It has little to do with any 'person', but what is most likely to be true of anything we are observing and evaluating.

See?

 

[HiThere]

i agree that we agree, nothing here to argue about, as i see it

 

[HiThere]

Iliuka

I've posted about Iliuka before, and until now haven't found reason to label this channel as STS/CoIntelpro. I now feel that it is correct to label it as such, because of the development of this contact over time.
From spring 2010 it developed into disquieting noises in my house, and a more demanding attitude from the entity in my last contact with him (spring -10), where he said that he found pleasure in playing games and making practical jokes, and made an attempt at getting my consent to move freely around my house, where he admitted he had been from time to time the last years.
After this session (where I didn't give him my consent) we had a lot of noises in the house, and things started disappearing including my cellphone, which disappeared for 2 days and then showed up under a pillow on the couch outside, where I definitely didn't put it. My kids deny anything to do with it and they have never done such things before.

I felt this was a negative development and therefore tried to shut this interference out, and the noises and disappearing things have now ceased.

Because of this I no longer consider this source to be interesting, but probably malevolent and not to be trusted.

I am writing this to inform anyone who might have been taken in by my earlier, more positive statements about this entity.

 

[Vulcan59]

hithere, I've merged your current post with the one you started. :)

 

[Guardian]

The C's don't mention specific dates. In fact, specific date predictions are notoriously incorrect -

Ya think that might have something to due with the fact that time doesn't exist outside our own needy little imaginations? Just wondering ;D

 

[RyanX]

Re: Iliuka

I've posted about Iliuka before, and until now haven't found reason to label this channel as STS/CoIntelpro. I now feel that it is correct to label it as such, because of the development of this contact over time.
From spring 2010 it developed into disquieting noises in my house, and a more demanding attitude from the entity in my last contact with him (spring -10), where he said that he found pleasure in playing games and making practical jokes, and made an attempt at getting my consent to move freely around my house, where he admitted he had been from time to time the last years.
After this session (where I didn't give him my consent) we had a lot of noises in the house, and things started disappearing including my cellphone, which disappeared for 2 days and then showed up under a pillow on the couch outside, where I definitely didn't put it. My kids deny anything to do with it and they have never done such things before.

I felt this was a negative development and therefore tried to shut this interference out, and the noises and disappearing things have now ceased.

Because of this I no longer consider this source to be interesting, but probably malevolent and not to be trusted.

I am writing this to inform anyone who might have been taken in by my earlier, more positive statements about this entity.

hi hithere,

I'm glad to hear you have cut off communication with whatever this hyperdimensional trickster was. I'm also glad that you and your children were able to come out of this unscathed, since there are some who embark on such adventures who aren't so lucky. Just remember that you became food in this situation because you gave attention to this entity and believed its messages, or at least some part of them. "Belief is the enemy" ~ John Keel

 

[Guardian]

Re: Iliuka

I've posted about Iliuka before, and until now haven't found reason to label this channel as STS/CoIntelpro. I now feel that it is correct to label it as such, because of the development of this contact over time.
From spring 2010 it developed into disquieting noises in my house, and a more demanding attitude from the entity in my last contact with him (spring -10), where he said that he found pleasure in playing games and making practical jokes, and made an attempt at getting my consent to move freely around my house, where he admitted he had been from time to time the last years.
After this session (where I didn't give him my consent) we had a lot of noises in the house, and things started disappearing including my cellphone, which disappeared for 2 days and then showed up under a pillow on the couch outside, where I definitely didn't put it. My kids deny anything to do with it and they have never done such things before.

I felt this was a negative development and therefore tried to shut this interference out, and the noises and disappearing things have now ceased.

Because of this I no longer consider this source to be interesting, but probably malevolent and not to be trusted.

No "probably" about it hon! I wasn't here when you started this thread, and I'd never heard of Iliuka" before, but I can tell you this ... Ashtaroth is pure, unadulterated EVIL, as in worst of the worst!

Personally, I'd like to see him turned into a nice set of luggage and a few pairs of boots the next time he manifests

 

[Richs]

I no longer consider this source to be interesting, but probably malevolent and not to be trusted.

Hi hithere,
I think you can consider yourself lucky you have come away from this relatively unscathed. There have been loads of instances where this was not the case! I'm glad for you that more dire results than you experienced did not come about.

Thanks for sharing your recent assessment of Iliuka with us. To admit one's error is praiseworthy, but the most important thing is that you have learned something and have shared it with the rest of us. I encourage you to stay with us, to keep on learning and be of help to all of us. This is also undoubtedly the best way you can help yourself.

 

[HiThere]

Thank you for all your responses. This site is a source of learning for me, and the mirroring that takes place is always a vital tool to get a clue about ones own sacred cows. I didn't let this entity all the way in, but have still experienced unpleasant results of the contact. The experience has been a good learning tool for me, and I will be very careful with any kind of contact from now on. It won't be easy to ignore this kind of contact completely though - I have a tendency to attract dead dudes, but usually not as malevolent as this one.

 

[RedFox]

It won't be easy to ignore this kind of contact completely though - I have a tendency to attract dead dudes, but usually not as malevolent as this one.

Hi hithere
For what its worth, I use to have some really strange (and probably quite malevolent) 'things' attached to me for some years...if not my entire life.
I don't know if they where dead dudes or not, but I knew they where their and had attempted to 'fight' them off on a few unsuccessful occasions.

In the end, working on my emotions (facing emotional pain I'd ignored in my life), doing the EE program and changing my diet (cutting out gluten/dairy etc) has changed my life for the better in so many ways. One way being that these 'things' are either no longer attached or have become very quiet.
If you want to be rid of them, then (having tried many new age techniques that failed to work) diet, EE and learning/networking on the forum seems to be the best way to get rid of them. This is my understanding at least.