Inner World VS Reality

[Menna]

I believe it was in the Ghostly Lover thread where I read if you have a feeling or thought in your inner world test it with the outer world and that will give you a good gauge as to wether your inner world fits with reality. i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons. Im not in a depressed state at least I don't think so. I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

 

[Cosmos]

I believe it was in the Ghostly Lover thread where I read if you have a feeling or thought in your inner world test it with the outer world and that will give you a good gauge as to wether your inner world fits with reality. i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons. Im not in a depressed state at least I don't think so. I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

do I understand your statement correctly that you are not interested in the work any longer or never were?
If that's the case it's your choise and maybe the correct one for you and your life ?

 

[shellycheval]

Menna

i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons. Im not in a depressed state at least I don't think so. I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

This seems a "little out of the blue" unexpected, or perhaps I have not been paying attention to your discussions lately. What prompted this declaration to the Forum?

My interpretation of it is that you have seen enough of objective reality to know you do not want to learn anymore and choose to leave "the Quest" The Work--yes?
If this is true then I have a couple of thoughts I would like to share:

im not a fan of this reality

OK, but these feelings of yours will not change this reality. It will not cease to exist because you are "not a fan" or because you leave this Forum.

Even though it is very difficult to face objective truth of things, it is also very difficult to take "the blue pill" and go back to unknowing--the seeds of truth tend to linger, though dormant, waiting for the right conditions to grow again. It takes a lot of subconscious energy to suppress some truth you have at one time faced consciously.

Regardless of you path--best wishes to you.
shellycheval

 

[anart]

I believe it was in the Ghostly Lover thread where I read if you have a feeling or thought in your inner world test it with the outer world and that will give you a good gauge as to wether your inner world fits with reality. i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons. Im not in a depressed state at least I don't think so. I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

I'm not a fan of this reality either. Quite frankly, if it weren't for the people I love, and my love for Life and Creation in general, I'd leave this place, but I know that would change nothing. I stay for one reason - the infinitesimal chance that my efforts here, however small, might in some way make something better for someone, somewhere.

The idea that we, as human beings, as wave-reading consciousness units, can and do have an effect on the future of this timeline is so monumental an idea that its weight alone is enough to carry me through on tough days. It's a horrid reality, yet here we are due to choices made so long ago that they are merely the faintest whisper of a memory in our collective unconscious. What matters is whether you are the kind of person who wants to use this time to try to make the future better, or the kind of person who doesn't really care one way or another. Both choices are valid from the perspective of the Universe, but, make no mistake, it is a choice.

 

[Mark7]

i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons.

The C's have said "All there is. is lessons".

I am terrified of the intentions of the PTB to put the last stages of "the Plan" in effect. The signs of it are becoming evident even to many who are very asleep it seems. Yet there have been many generations who have lived a mundane, content, somewhat boring life and then died. Perhaps looping over and over.

There is a great unveiling coming. Seems like a chance of a 1000 lifetimes to learn a lot. This drama we are in may play out again, (an again) if you are not ready now.

I get down, but I do my best to get back up. It would be a shame to miss an opportunity to learn and help others in some small way at least. My son is struggling, I would like to help him if he asks.

Perhaps you should give this a few days and post back later and let us know...

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[Menna]

Anart - How can I know if my choices and actions are making the future better?

Not a white flag saying I am giving up on the work. This work is just about the only thing that has been constant, that provides tangible results and I believe in it.

What I am saying is that the C's said all there is are lessons, learning is fun. Ok well learning can be painful physically and emotionally and then yes you can be protected by this pain but I am not looking to go through more of it on my way to learning how to protect myself from it and then if I want to stand up for myself or make a decision how do I know its the right one. There’s right theres wrong and theres the specific situation. But I don't have an all-knowing being that tells me "Hey you did the right thing"

So what I am basically saying is that it is hard being here I believe. I guess this is my grandma in a nursing home syndrome. The one person that cares about her comes to visit her and all she does it complain. With that being said sorry for complaining

(Im the type of person that wants to do the right thing...Keep it moving and be happy)

 

[Buddy]

I believe it was in the Ghostly Lover thread where I read if you have a feeling or thought in your inner world test it with the outer world and that will give you a good gauge as to wether your inner world fits with reality.

How do you know from which perspective of reality (classical, quantum;holistic) that advice comes and to which it refers?

I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

Could you be just a bit depressed at the moment? Why were you in the Ghostly lover thread so soon after your prior relationship issues? Just asking.

From:

What's Behind Door Number 3?
(It doesn’t take a great mind to solve mysteries)
_http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-main-ingredient/201109/whats-behind-door-number-3

A good mystery is compelling and we are motivated to find the answer. A mystery, however, is just a problem that needs to be solved. And, some of them really need to be solved.

Robert Evans Wilson, Jr. tells a story in classical terms about how a country doctor in England played a role in the eventual eradication of the smallpox that was said to be killing millions of people every year.

As the story goes, in 1762 when he was 13 years old, Edward Jenner overheard a comment made by a milkmaid. This statement would brew in his mind for some 33 years when, as a doctor, he did an experiment that led to the eventual eradication of smallpox 183 years later.

[aside: Quantum perspectives on quantum and Classical reality models seem to be developing rapidly, especially in the fields of quantum Biology and living-tissue neural nets. What does this mean? From some Quantum perspectives, Aristotle and Einstein were morons, as are most of the rest of us conditioned to be happy wearing our classical blinders. But, as Wilson says, "It doesn't take a great mind to solve mysteries; average people do it all the time.]

There is probably a mystery you can solve that will improve your business [ed. note: or everyone's general life]. If you think about it, every product and service you purchase began as a solution to a problem. Whether it is through necessity or simple desire, people find new ways of doing things through creative thinking that was stimulated by a mystery.

What mystery do you want to solve?"

 

[Palinurus]

Hi Menna,

I thought the following might be relevant to your quandary: from http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Aim

In order to make progress in the Work, one must have an aim. Without aim there is no consistent struggle and one is more or less adrift in the sea of A influences which simply make one run in circles.

The difficulty with the concept of aim is that one cannot know the precise path which one has not traveled. People may see flashes of something but they do not have a realistic assessment of the distance to travel. Thus, setting a too specific initial aim is silly and unrealistic. The aim will change as the goal and territory become better understood.

People have different motives for undertaking the Work. Some may wish knowledge, others to help the world, some to be master over themselves. In Gurdjieff's words, only mastery over the self is a reasonable goal, since any other goals may only be reached through this first one. One may begin with the goal of 'reaching enlightenment' and soon find that this must be scaled down to something much more immediate and attainable, such as remembering oneself at least once per day. One can have specific goals only for that which is at least in theory within reach.

Making specific checklists on what is or is not an acceptable learning experience or lesson of life is presumptuous and fruitless and actually goes counter to the goal of learning. Choosing a general direction is however necessary. This general direction can be described in terms of the service to other/service to self duality, of objectivity vs. forcing one's subjectivity on the world, of wakefulness vs. sleep and so forth. Such basic values can provide a framework for placing the intrinsically unpredictable and unanticipatable events of a spiritual path in context.

Better read the rest for yourself and then follow the link given afterwards and then the links over there and so on. Nice little journey through the glossary if you want some answers...

 

[bngenoh]

I believe it was in the Ghostly Lover thread where I read if you have a feeling or thought in your inner world test it with the outer world and that will give you a good gauge as to wether your inner world fits with reality. i just want to say that im not a fan of this reality. I don't really care to learn any lessons. Im not in a depressed state at least I don't think so. I enjoy life but if I had the choice to choose behind door number three and leave this room I just might go for it.

The only means of concrete knowledge, is reasoning from observed phenomena, then testing what has been reasoned out. One feels something, sees something, and then tests it against the reality, within or without. It is idiotic to simply go with intuitions without testing them, have you read the pertinent threads in the psychology & Cognitive Science child board? Especially The Adaptive Unconscious and Thinking Fast & Slow. There are myriad traps inside our psyche's to prevent progress in awakening.

Your attitude is the exact state which will keep you in this reality, unable to go anywhere else. The only way out of this reality, is through, and we can only move through this reality, IF we learn.

As to this:

Anart - How can I know if my choices and actions are making the future better?

Not a white flag saying I am giving up on the work. This work is just about the only thing that has been constant, that provides tangible results and I believe in it.

Everything is related to everything else. You say that this work is the only thing that has provided tangible results, yet you ask how you can know if your choices & actions are making the future better. It's easy to figure that one out, just go to the moment when you decided that "The Work" was for you, then see how your life would have developed if you hadn't decided that, or simply never encountered "The Work."

What matters is what you do in the present, with the lessons learned, and the attitude of openness to lessons, wherever they may come. The future will take care of itself, osit.

What I am saying is that the C's said all there is are lessons, learning is fun. Ok well learning can be painful physically and emotionally and then yes you can be protected by this pain but I am not looking to go through more of it on my way to learning how to protect myself from it and then if I want to stand up for myself or make a decision how do I know its the right one. There’s right theres wrong and theres the specific situation. But I don't have an all-knowing being that tells me "Hey you did the right thing"

How do you know if any given decision is right or wrong, well you've gotta figure it out for yourself, as that is learned as well. "I" am reminded of a quote "Smart people learn from their mistakes, geniuses learn from the mistakes of others."

Seems you are looking for someone besides yourself to tell you what is right and wrong. If you find that, rest assured that they won't let you go without a fight.

So what I am basically saying is that it is hard being here I believe. I guess this is my grandma in a nursing home syndrome. The one person that cares about her comes to visit her and all she does it complain. With that being said sorry for complaining

(Im the type of person that wants to do the right thing...Keep it moving and be happy)

Well that is the choice of your grandmother, you have a choice as to how you respond to her. From what you have written, it seems as if you are just reacting, the same way she did.

We learn what is right, first by figuring out what is not right, ie wrong. This is learned, as is all else.

 

[Menna]

"How do you know to which perspective of reality (classical, quantum;holistic) that advice refer"

How I understand it - If you have a belief or idea or a notion about something don't just keep it in test it out in the 3D world that we live in. That will tell you wether or not it is real.

"Could you be just a bit depressed at the moment? Why were you in the Ghostly lover thread so soon after your prior relationship issues? Just asking."

Why would someone get back on a horse after falling off. Why would someone want to keep practicing something when they have failed at it before. To improve, be educated, learn from mistakes and so on.

I learn so much from any topic and I had no idea what Ghostly lover was before I read through the pages. Obviously with the word lover I know it has something to do with a person and feelings and love and what not. But I learned alot from the thread and glad I was looking at it.

Also I learn better from real life examples If I was to be fired from a job in business I would look at ways to improve business skills and I can relate it to my real life experiences...Just an example of how I take in and apply knowledge to discern if its real or not

 

[Menna]

bngenoh -

The grandma in a nursing home is an analogy - I am taking my frustrations what I don't like and sharing it here on the forum with people that have only helped me. In away im like a grandma in a nursing home who takes her frustration out on her loving visitor

"Your attitude is the exact state which will keep you in this reality, unable to go anywhere else. The only way out of this reality, is through, and we can only move through this reality, IF we learn."

I understand this and I have learned but also in the process I have been upset, hurt, frustrated,guilty second guessing and so on...Its so tiring and I know the only way out of what I don't like is to keep going through what I dont like...I recognize this and I get it and I wish it wasnt so

Palinurus - I guess I can say my aim is STS in order to STO...Meaning to work on myself be master of myself so to better serve others.

 

[Iron]

I think I understand you Menna.
Perhaps things, the choice of doing better, is not quite like what you expected.
Lots of second guessing, conflicting emotions, and absolutely no confirmation at all if you are on the right path or not.
We are in a very dark hour. We are making the choice of growing up, as conscious beings.
We are walking in the front, to be able to guide others.
Taking the hits in silence, seeing that the building is on fire, while people around us burn and smile.
Its a lonely path by definition. But at some point, you will clear yourself enough to attract another on the same wavelength. Look at Laura and Ark for example.
That does not mean it will stop being a hard path, filled with uncertainity, at least I think. To learn how to live with uncertainity, and to be able to act with abandon, knowing you did your best, with the information you had at the time, is the challenge we face... to grow up.

I hope I made sense, and I don't think you annoy, because for sure all of us felt/feel like you do at some point.

 

[Menna]

"I think I understand you Menna.
Perhaps things, the choice of doing better, is not quite like what you expected.
Lots of second guessing, conflicting emotions, and absolutely no confirmation at all if you are on the right path or not.
We are in a very dark hour. We are making the choice of growing up, as conscious beings.
We are walking in the front, to be able to guide others.
Taking the hits in silence, seeing that the building is on fire, while people around us burn and smile.
Its a lonely path by definition. But at some point, you will clear yourself enough to attract another on the same wavelength. Look at Laura and Ark for example.
That does not mean it will stop being a hard path, filled with uncertainity, at least I think. To learn how to live with uncertainity, and to be able to act with abandon, knowing you did your best, with the information you had at the time, is the challenge we face... to grow up."

....Precisely

 

[Buddy]

I hope I made sense, and I don't think you annoy, because for sure all of us felt/feel like you do at some point.

Seconded.

 

[bngenoh]

The grandma in a nursing home is an analogy - I am taking my frustrations what I don't like and sharing it here on the forum with people that have only helped me. In away im like a grandma in a nursing home who takes her frustration out on her loving visitor

Thanks for clearing that up Menna. :)

Your attitude is the exact state which will keep you in this reality, unable to go anywhere else. The only way out of this reality, is through, and we can only move through this reality, IF we learn.

I understand this and I have learned but also in the process I have been upset, hurt, frustrated,guilty second guessing and so on...Its so tiring and I know the only way out of what I don't like is to keep going through what I dont like...I recognize this and I get it and I wish it wasnt so

You understand that "only as a warrior can one survive the path of knowledge," don't you? That being said, warriors exist to fight, and in a battle one is hit through one's own weaknesses and blind spots, not the opponents strengths. A seasoned fighter has learned the hard way, how to roll with the punches, and use them to their advantage.

You've also gotta eradicate the habit of wishing, which is the beginning of wishful thinking, thus STS. Warriors do not wish, they only act, and let their actions speak. Wishes lead to unhappiness, they usurp our energies and create loops in thought, thus prisons of the mind, leading to stagnation. "I" am reminded of a quote by a forum member's grandmother(?) "The day you stop learning, is the day you start dying."

As to this:

We are in a very dark hour. We are making the choice of growing up, as conscious beings.
We are walking in the front, to be able to guide others.
Taking the hits in silence, seeing that the building is on fire, while people around us burn and smile.
Its a lonely path by definition. But at some point, you will clear yourself enough to attract another on the same wavelength. Look at Laura and Ark for example.
That does not mean it will stop being a hard path, filled with uncertainity, at least I think. To learn how to live with uncertainity, and to be able to act with abandon, knowing you did your best, with the information you had at the time, is the challenge we face... to grow up.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. A kind of indifference towards oneself is necessary, it gives one the cold eye with the concomitant objective perspective, to increase the likelihood of the outcome approximating the intention behind the choice, whether the intention was positive or negative.

May i ask you Menna, who doesn't want to learn anymore, is it "you" or you? Have you asked yourself that question?