Intentions

Menna

The Living Force
If I look back and get to the bottom of why I do things I believe my success or acomplishments are because I either had intentions or there were no intentions ...Basically if I have intentions I am more successful at what I try and accomplish. If I don't put thought into it then stuff happens and I am not as "successfull". I believe intentions to be important.
 
Menna said:
If I look back and get to the bottom of why I do things I believe my success or acomplishments are because I either had intentions or there were no intentions ...Basically if I have intentions I am more successful at what I try and accomplish. If I don't put thought into it then stuff happens and I am not as "successfull". I believe intentions to be important.

Hi Menna,

I think in general what you stated is true: intentions are important, but they're not the whole picture. Certainly, if there's a drive to do something, chances are it's going to get done, and that could be a good or a bad thing depending on the situation.

The question then becomes: what level of knowledge and awareness sits behind those intentions? Is the drive for serving the self or serving others? I can think of a lot of things I've done successfully in accordance with my intentions, but in the end only caused me more suffering of the mechanical sort, simply because of my lack of awareness.
 
Yes the level of knowledge and awareness is key - this key has helped me with carrying out my intentions when I believe I have the knowledge or awareness about certain situations I will then act on my intentions. I think intentions could be what lay the ground work when making a decision. Also knowledge and awareness is what lessens or gets rid of my fear.
 
And the road to hell is paved with intentions (good or otherwise). The key is not intention. The key is being awake enough to actually really intend anything. Mme de Salzmann's latest book might be a good read for you. She really gets into the nitty gritty of how not awake she is and how difficult it is to actually 'Do' (or intend) anything. If you're not awake, you're just a machine, intending mechanical intentions because it is all you can do.
 
Yes I agree. It helps to post here this way I get down to what I really want to say...

With the right knowledge and consciousness (lack of fear) you can form your intentions and through that your intentions are awake or less mechanical. If you put your knowledge and consciousness into your intentions then that might be the key or the deference between mechanical intentions and conscious intentions.
 
Nothing is hard to do I think when one is willing to do, but the question is what drives that will, knowledge, drive for peace or suffering? All three are based on the suffering, the more you suffer in life the more you'll be willing to change and do, so those who are really blessed whit opportunity are those who suffer the most. Intention is only empty word that has no real value like every other word. The question is also from where does word hard comes from, is it really hard if you would be from your childhood raised to act in that way, not at all, is there some objective measure for defining what is hard and what is not, it's all the matter of one's perceptions and beliefs that aren't his. Just a thought.
 
Yes I agree words are just that words. Some people use them to describe something but the words they use might not be what they mean. What I am trying to get across is that there is a recipe for success and I know success is subjective but in other words there is a recipe to accomplish something you want to. Knowledge and consciousness or awareness about what you are doing are necessary and I believe intentions also help or maybe they just help me as I am learning about myself alot in the past year and what drives me to do
 
I think there is confusion regarding intention vs aim.
When I first arrived on the Northamerican Continent I noticed the compulsive
attitude to "do something" no matter what the situation or what is happening
specifically. This "do something" no matter how senseless seems to have a
calming effect. "Well, I have done something"; it appears to be a mixture
of excuse and apology: "at least I have done something".
This programming goes very deep and often has disasterous effects.
The purpose seems to be to prevent thought and reflection.
Also, intention smells of wanting something which defeats unbiased
observation.
My 2 cents.
 
Menna said:
Yes I agree. It helps to post here this way I get down to what I really want to say...

With the right knowledge and consciousness (lack of fear) you can form your intentions and through that your intentions are awake or less mechanical. If you put your knowledge and consciousness into your intentions then that might be the key or the deference between mechanical intentions and conscious intentions.

Sometimes I want to create some music so I'll improvise at my piano. Even though I have knowledge of music theory and history it becomes apparent that I'm not really playing music, it just sounds like it.

The music wasn't in me to start with.

It's the same thing with our lives and all our intentions and intellects. - fwiw
 
Count Morona - So what you are saying is that things that we do are outside of us that they are out there in the world and we find them?

Leo40 - Can you give me an example of an intention and an aim whats the difference?
 
[quote author=Menna]Count Morona - So what you are saying is that things that we do are outside of us that they are out there in the world and we find them?[/quote]

Sometimes what we regard to be the real state of affairs just seems to be so.

[quote author=G. Gurdjieff's Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man]Every really conscious perception and expression of man must be the result of the
simultaneous and co-ordinated working of all three centres, each of which must fulfill its share of the whole task, i.e. furnish its quota of associations. A complete apperception in any given case is possible only if all three centres work together. But, owing to many disturbing influences affecting modern man, the working of the psychic centres is almost disconnected. Consequently his intellectual, emotional and instinctive or moving functions fail to complete and correct one another, but, on the contrary, they travel along different roads which very rarely meet, and thus allow of very few moments of consciousness.

The failure of the three centres to co-ordinate is due to the fact that there are, as it were, three different men in a single individual, the first of whom does nothing but think, the second only feels, and the third only lives by his instincts and motor functions: a logical man, an emotional man and an automatic man.

These three men in one never understand one another; consciously and unconsciously they frustrate the plans, the intentions and the work of one another; and yet each of them at the moment when he is in action occupies a prepotent position and calls himself "I".

Observation of the disunited and contradictory of the centres shews that man cannot be master of himself, since it is not he who governs his centres, and he himself does not know which of his centres will begin to function next. People do not notice this, because they are under the illusion of the unity of their "I's" and of their general psychic constitution.

If a correct observation of the psychic activities of man is made, it will be clearly seen that modern man never acts of his own accord, and for reasons within himself, but by his action merely expresses the changes that are induced in his mechanism by external causes. It is not man who thinks, but something thinks in him; he does not act, but something acts through him; he does not create, but something creates in him; he does not accomplish, but something accomplishes through him.

The psychic centres of a new-born child may be compared to blank phonograph rolls, upon which from the first day the impressions of both the internal and external worlds inscribe themselves. The matter thus impressed is preserved in each centre in the same order, sometimes absurd, and in the same relations in which the impressions were actually received in life.

The process of imagination, memory, judgement, reasoning and thinking are made up exclusively of the matter inscribed, which combines and associates in various ways under the influence of chance shocks. These shocks set in motion with more or less intensity one or another of the rolls whose contents (the matter inscribed on it) thus become the centre of association in the given case. A further shock, or a shock of a different intensity, evokes yet another association and, consequently, another train of thoughts, feelings and acts. And no centre can add anything from itself or anything new to the combinations thus formed, nor can it draw upon the material formed in the other centres.

It will be understood from this that man's world perception is always the work of only a part of his being, or, stated differently, that man has three different processes of perception. These processes have but little association with one another, or associate quite by chance and only partially. Therefore every judgment man forms about things is the work of merely a part of his psychic constitution and the expression of but a fraction of the matter at his disposal. Hence, man's judgments are invariably partial, and consequently false.[/quote]

[quote author=A remarkable woman named Laura] One cannot change the way one thinks with the way one thinks.[/quote]
 
From what I read here, perhaps I misuse the work "intent". I am not sure. What other word can be used to express the inner drive that fuels continuation of this Work. 'Tis so easy to quit, yet "something" keeps us on a path of learning with an open mind. We strive for the ability to "see" the lies within us and around us. We/"I" try to "see" what truly is as it is, not what We/"I" have been programmed to "see".

I'll use me for the sake of argument. I speak of when I am beaten down, tired, frustrated that I am not able to Do everything, or even anything right now. I Do not even know everything I must Do right now. I want to progress and fail, get up wipe the dirt of my knees, try to understand what happened/how and why, and move on. Even though I try and fail, keep Working, I have intent, osit...
[quote author=Dictionary.com]

Definitions of 'intention'
(Showing 1 definitions)
(noun)
1. purpose
2. meaning

Definitions of 'intent'[in-tent]
(noun)
1. something intended
2. the act of intending

(idioms)
1. practically speaking

adjective
1. firmly fixed or directed
2. having the attention sharply focused
3. determined[/quote]
 
Hi Al,

The opening post presumed the ability to do and that the cause of success or failure to do was the presence or absence of intentions. The thread follows this.

Fourth Way teaching asserts that the ability to do is merely a potential, and developing will depends upon one's awakening. Any technique to use intention or will - concomitant concepts - to achieve anything is a type of dreaming, or pretending, based on the seeming realness characteristic to illusion. What we normally regard as intentions are reactions to outside stimuli while in the state of indentification.

I feel it a mistake to think in terms of one’s awakening as dependent on the quality of one’s intentions. At least that’s my current understanding. However, there exists the use of the word ‘intent’ (often placed in italics or quotes) meaning “fixed attention,” (cf. Casteneda) which is different and seems to be what you have in mind. - fwiw

(Edited for clarity.)
 
This thread is a perfect example of the difficulty of communicating due to
the different understanding each person has regarding certain words.
For me "intent" implies "getting something".
So perhaps we should use "attention"; this is the unwavering focus
required for observation. The work proceeds in stages. Observation leads
to complete understanding of the machine. Then comes the balancing of
the centres. This is why I prefer "aim". The aim is focussed attention
while observing how the machine responds and why in any given situation.
Also "intent" expects a result which is anticipation.
Of course this is my "interpretation".
 
Yes, “fixed attention” is a good replacement for my use of the word intent.

Also, in your post I see that intentions can be wishful thinking and contrary to Be Doing with No Anticipation. Intent can be in anticipation of reward of some kind. I agree with the concept of intent has no bearing on awakening. Thanks, I need to be more attentive of broader/deeper meanings of words. I'm trying to say that I was narrow minded in my interpretation. Communication is one of my Major areas needing Work. Reading as well as written expressions.
 

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