Interesting quote on pathology

[palestine]

Quote from Ponerology.substack.com

Pathocracy is a macrosocial expression of psychopathy. It has no fundamental relationship with either zionism or anti-zionism. In other words, a Jewish pathocracy is just as possible as an anti-Jewish pathocracy, or a pathocracy that has no relation to either.

I've posted it before but wanted to head back at it, because of the bolded part, which carries on the whole A. Loabczewski's microcosm IMO.

This part explains, in a nutshell, the basics of psychopathology.

It shows that going the road of anti-Zionism is not something that which grants a golden ticket to paradise & the world of "good people". Danger lurks there, too. I think we could ponder this "knowledge", even if we cannot really fathom this reality - as a starting point... to know what & how to watch out.

- Starting up with anti-Zionism, we end up with a pathocracy...
- Starting up with Communism, or Nazism - at some point - we need to change our views and stop considering the ideology. Fully. Something else came by.

The italic part provides the reason, but it is complex. I am not even sure I can explain it correctly.

I believe we are not used to such motion, in reality. An intrinsic change took place, in a structure, to the extent that we have to "switch tools" - all of this taking place within the same element. I understand this has been the challenge for historians (and scientists): they could not reach the understanding of the phenomenon because their world view has no room for such a process / motion.

- First is that we end up, within the initial object - with a new element. A completely independent element. This is quite an aspect.

- Second is that this takes place within a "linear motion" and within the same object. History & science have no room for that, and it's perhaps why it is difficult to understand. An element could change, after all, and the motion here is a sort of parazitism.

- Third is that this refers to psychopathology, a domain that is not considered as susceptible to have anything to do in politics, country's structures, civilizations, etc etc - when it does. (I am wondering if science could make it a new "law" - corruption in regard of the initial state... If it takes place in groups - why not in other biological elements? Unless it's a human aspect only.)

 

[gottathink]

This part explains, in a nutshell, the basics of pathology.

Not really, pathology is the study of disease. Were you meaning something else?

Edit: I don’t think it needs to be this complex. The corruption of social systems simply occurs because of extreme service to self orientation of the individuals within the system. It does not matter what the system is.

Harrison’s substack explores these concepts thoroughly.

 

[palestine]

Not really, pathology is the study of disease. Were you meaning something else?

I should have used "psychopathology". Perhaps I can edit.

 

[palestine]

Edit: I don’t think it needs to be this complex. The corruption of social systems simply occurs because of extreme service to self orientation of the individuals within the system. It does not matter what the system is.

Hello, thank you for your message. I think... As I am researching those topics, I ultimately stumble upon a big question. I would kind of face the requirement to define evil, in the context of various elements we have at hand:

• evil - the word per se - what does it mean
• Service To Self - the big metaphysic of the Universe as taught by the C's
• Psychopathology, a term indicating a discrepancy from "normal human's sane mind" - so perhaps related to Earth only?

A. Lobaczewski expands a lot on the words "we must understand the essence of the phenomenon" when he speaks of pathocracy and the psychopathology that comes from hereditary psychopathies. This ever makes me wonder on that specific "source" - psychopathology, originating from DNA psychopaths. Sometimes, I see it as a sort of "bridge" to the unknown, sometimes I see it as a well-defined matter, with a limit.

Thinking of this makes me ponder STS and evil as described by A. Lobaczewski. Perhaps you would like to drop a few takes and comments?

The matter I thought of, recently, was that, perhaps, "evil" would start originating at 4th D (STS) only. But what if "evil" was a 7th D motion? Something meant for balance? In such a case, evil would originate from 7th D - serving the purpose of balance. The matter here is that "evil" becomes a sort of metaphysic, hence my will to define it more. Can it be defined more? Should it remain considered as "evil"? See what I mean? A. Lobazewski refines "evil" with "psychopathology", he narrows the principle to it. But, at the same time, psycvhopathology remains a generic "principle" - AKA "when the mind is discrepant".

I would be eager to be able to theoretically frame "evil" in the context of "STS": which one is subordinated to the other - if anything such can be done?

Please comment if you feel so, even if you are not sure.

My idea would be that psychopathology, being a basic discrepancy from the normal human mind ("psyche pathology" aka "diseased"), does not forcibly equate to Service To Self. I think some could be discerned on this matter. Looks like "an egg & a hen" situation, but I think something could be understood. Once done, we could frame A. Lobaczewski's model within C model with precision, something that, I believe, will be done in the future. I am stumbling upon those questions right now, and I think both models (C - STS and STO) (A. Lobaczewski - psychopathology/evil and Normal humans) are objectively reflective of reality, so that there are precise explanations. Are those the same model? Can those two models be "imbricated"?

I see psychiatrists as having spotted that something wrong lurked at the level of the insane minds. From there, perhaps it would lead to the recognition of Service To Self as being what conditions the whole matter - perhaps the psychopathology approach would lead to another conclusion. That would be where I am right now. Psychiatrists found out "essential psychopathy" but are yet at the step of "being surprized" and still working as to define what this is. We know, thanks from A. Lobaczewski, that it's about "evil". We know, thanks to the C's, that the universe has an entropic polarity which is caracterized by "self serving". I think - where to go from the psychiatrists having found "essential psychopathy"? Perhaps, it's good than to do our own research, because waiting for science to do the job will take eons.

Thanks in advance if there is anything you could say about those ideas and questions! Do not hesitate. I think I would like to discuss those matters and have more members understand and interest themselves to those topics.