Is gender a social construct?

[lahje]

this trans-phenomenon is really interesting to me... i used to strongly oppose lgbt ppl, but lately im not so sure anymore. i do think that many trans ppl are just mislead "free radicals" wanting to do something big, and they somehow end up going the trans path. but then again, there might be some genuine trans ppl too. id guess itd be a huge opportunity for spiritual growth to go through something as major like altering your sex. its like you purposedly through yourself into marginal group for isolation and growth. many tribes in the jungle have a growing rite, that requires you to go out of the society into some marginal group or complete isolation for a while and then returning later. maybe this is somethibg similar?
what do you think of the statement "visual side is just an illusion?"
if you genuinely feel that u have stronger feminine side, but are born man, whatd you do? it requires a lot of pretending and makeup and tricks to hide your masculine features if you are trans-woman, but "the visual side is just an illusion?." this is very interesting topic and relatively new problem in our society...

 

[lahje]

eh i cant edit my previous post so ill just continue on another. i think that the soul or core is sexless. how else would you be able to incarnate as a man in this life, and woman in some else? well i can only guess how incarnation works, or if its even a real thing, but it makes sense to me that its a thing. there might be no point at all to think about possibility of past or future lives, since its only the present that is real in this daytime-conciousness.. but wouldnt the truly illumined person be able to grasp and explore both feminine and masculine energies in all of their spectrum? breaking boundaries and stuff in order to develop society forward, mistakes maybe, but change nevertheless and change is good... im a male myself, but have a lot of feminine features. strangers often get confused about my "cuteness" and the feminine aura that i have. i dont consider myself a transperson, but not a typical masculine man either. these are features i was born with. im a vegetarian too... man does that mean im soulless or just animal? lol
anyways, on another topic, my thoughts on vegetarianism are, that, yeas indeed it would be the most healthy way to eat both meat and plants, but with very little effort and a small sacrifice to your hedonism, you can live a full life without participating in the mass-slaughtering of animals. Also; if you eat meat of an animal that has been caged for all its life, and grief and anxiousness and sorrow are pretty much only things that animal felt while alive, wouldnt those emotions partly transfer to you via eating its meat? similarily the aggressive nature of many muslims might be related to fact, that the halal meat they eat is from animal that has been killed by torture. the very last things the animal felt were pain and fear, and the animal releases hormones triggered by those felings into its flesh. those negative feelings that are transferred into its meat by hormones cant do much good when eaten by ppl, right? i do like the taste of meat, but, yeah... some poisons taste sweet too..

 

[lahje]

im new to this forum... (been reading, but not posting) is there really no way editing previous posts? well i still got something on my mind regarding this.

hormone treatments are not the way to go imo, and i agree to most here that its somewhat degenerate to "castrate" yourself in this way.. natures way to prevent "sick" individuals from reproducing, or something else? dunno, but but simply crossdressing is not harmful i think. if some man wnts to wear makeup and pretty clothes, by all means. in animal kindom the males are usually the colourful ones, and we humans have it another way around, weird isnt it? biological gender might be easy to determine, but what about all the mental varieties? not that simple.
its come up that many of these rare monsters commit suicide after going through transformation. well, its impossible to say if theyd done the same thing had they chosen not to go through the process. my friend killed himself a few months ago, and he was struggling with these thoughts, but he didnt go through any sexchanges.. rip... ;___;

gender roles are shifting. no need for a man to be a strong hunter anymore while woman takes care of offspring, since everything comes from supermarkets, and kids are often left in daycares and such.. what will become of future only time will tell. please dont be triggered about the madness of the world, just do what you think is right and enjoy the show :D its cool that we try every aspect of possibilities as a species to see what works and what doesnt. this queer-thing might be nwo-agenda, but many of their other plans to control ppl have backfired too. take internet for example, which was CIA experiment to control the masses, but look what happened. maybe trans-ppl have something to offer that we dont realize yet.

 

[Ant22]

im new to this forum... (been reading, but not posting) is there really no way editing previous posts? well i still got something on my mind regarding this.

Hi lahje, posts can be edited for 10 minutes after you post them (there's an 'edit' button at the bottom of the post) and after that you won't be able to change them. This is to ensure that communication runs smoothly and makes sense. Changing the content of posts would potentially create conversational mess and replies wouldn't be relevant to the original post anymore, thus making threads hard to read and understand. Especially if a post is quoted.

If you want to add more simply create another post. You can also quote the first post you wrote to indicate that the new one is a continuation of the same train of thought.

I hope it helps

 

[Ant22]

gender roles are shifting. no need for a man to be a strong hunter anymore while woman takes care of offspring, since everything comes from supermarkets, and kids are often left in daycares and such.. what will become of future only time will tell. please dont be triggered about the madness of the world, just do what you think is right and enjoy the show :D its cool that we try every aspect of possibilities as a species to see what works and what doesnt. this queer-thing might be nwo-agenda, but many of their other plans to control ppl have backfired too. take internet for example, which was CIA experiment to control the masses, but look what happened. maybe trans-ppl have something to offer that we dont realize yet.

As for your thoughts in the bolded part above, you may be interested in this thread titled Using Women to Destroy Men via Leftist Feminism and Liberalism.

There is more to destroying gender roles than just decreased need for hunting and child care being delegated to daycare. Is the current state of childrearing really optimal for children's development? The first 7 years of life are called formatory for a reason. Developmental trauma is running rampant and neglect that happens during preverbal stages can scar for life.
Is putting children in a large group where a stranger whose time is thinly spread across many other children attends to their needs a good idea? Have a look at this thread where the book Healing Developmental Trauma is discussed to see how deficiencies in providing the care a child needs can impact on the quality of someone's life.

 

[Hi_Henry]

The first 7 years of life are called formatory for a reason.

Exactly !!!! Plus, anything that happens in that interval will be difficult to change later if not impossible.

 

[Beau]

gender roles are shifting. no need for a man to be a strong hunter anymore while woman takes care of offspring, since everything comes from supermarkets, and kids are often left in daycares and such..

Those are arguments to bring gender roles back to where they traditionally were. Grocery stores are full of garbage food that dumbs us down and keeps us overweight and unhealthy. Kindergarten is a concept the US borrowed from the Prussians in the early 19th Century as a way to instill order and obedience in children at a young age. Here's what John Taylor Gatto wrote about kindergarten:

A small number of passionate American ideological leaders including Horace Mann, Calvin Stowe and Barnas Sears, and others, visited Prussia in the first half of the 19th century, fell in love with the order, obedience and efficiency they saw there, attributed to the well-regulated, machine-like society to its educational system, and campaigned relentlessly upon returning home to bring the Prussian vision to these shores. So at the behest of Horace Mann and other leading citizens, without any national debate or discussions, we adopted Prussian schooling or rather, most had it imposed upon them. The one- and-two-room schoolhouses, highly efficient as academic transmitters, breeders of self-reliance and independence, intimately related to their communitites, almost exclusively female-led, and largely un-administered, had to be put to death.

So when liberals talk about destroying the old ways of doing things, the above is the typically the result: more state intervention in private affairs and more control over what people think and do.

 

[Ant22]

So when liberals talk about destroying the old ways of doing things, the above is the typically the result: more state intervention in private affairs and more control over what people think and do.

Good point Beau. The push to put everyone in employment so parents couldn't care for their children themselves reminds me of Hitler's policies. In the below video a Holocaust survivor describes the life under Hitler's rule just prior to the beginning of WW2.

The video is not devoted specifically to childcare so here's the transcript of the relevant section:

On the social level under National Socialism everyone had to be in the workforce. Before Hitler moms stayed home, they were good wives and they raised their families. But in socialism if you're not in the workforce you are called a parasite. The moms were put into workforce, so what happened to the children? They were put into childcare centres that were free for everybody. You could bring your 4 months old baby and leave it there for 24 hours, 7 days a week. The longer you left your child there the better the government liked it. The staffers of those childcare centres weren't the grandmotherly type of women who took care of the children. They were young women, highly skilled in child psychology to mould little children from 4 weeks old how the government wanted them. The government raised our children.

The difference from my perspective is that these days (at least in the two European countries I've lived in) child care is expensive and child carers aren't highly skilled in child psychology. They usually have rather basic skills and often receive very low salaries, which naturally causes all kinds of everyday problems that they don't leave behind the door when they come to work. Two of my recent housemates were nursery workers so I did get to hear their stories in response to "how was your day?" over the dinner table. They're stressed out and their heart simply isn't in it.

 

[luc]

The difference from my perspective is that these days (at least in the two European countries I've lived in) child care is expensive and child carers aren't highly skilled in child psychology. They usually have rather basic skills and often receive very low salaries, which naturally causes all kinds of everyday problems that they don't leave behind the door when they come to work. Two of my recent housemates were nursery workers so I did get to hear their stories in response to "how was your day?" over the dinner table. They're stressed out and their heart simply isn't in it.

Isn't it interesting: under the Nazis, they had to put some pressure on women to put their children in state institutions where they were indoctrinated (always the same game, from the Nazis to the commies to today's liberal fascists). But nowadays, women DEMAND the "right" to have their children taken away even earlier than the Nazis dared... Whoever made this decades-long programming happen, they sure knew what they were doing.

BTW, the Nazi education ideal for children was quite chilling - it was specifically designed to break the bond between mother and child. The authority here was one Johanna Haarer, whose books on child rearing remained popular even long after the war. She recommended things like avoiding eye contact at all cost, letting babies scream endlessly to harden them etc. - I also witnessed this kind of approach in some parents who grew up in the communist GDR, interestingly. Nowadays of course you just slap a tablet or smartphone on them so they are quiet and later, when you should be tougher, you coddle them too much... Gosh, how people were screwed up for generations, and considering that we seem to inherit trauma from generations past, no wonder our situation is so bad.

 

[Laura]

... i think that the soul or core is sexless. how else would you be able to incarnate as a man in this life, and woman in some else? well i can only guess how incarnation works, or if its even a real thing, but it makes sense to me that its a thing. there might be no point at all to think about possibility of past or future lives, since its only the present that is real in this daytime-conciousness..

And isn't that the point? That the soul/Universe knows what it is doing when it chooses the gender of its incarnation? And isn't it our job to learn the lessons placed before us, to maximize what we are given to work with and not try to play God?

but wouldnt the truly illumined person be able to grasp and explore both feminine and masculine energies in all of their spectrum?

If a person is "truly illumined", they no longer need to incarnate. The spiritual/ethereal space is where you explore such things. In the 3D world, you are given what you are given and it is your job to learn the lessons of this density which are rather simple.

breaking boundaries and stuff in order to develop society forward, mistakes maybe, but change nevertheless and change is good...

I certainly think it is good to "break boundaries" the move society forward, but it has to be done Oh, so carefully! And it has to be done when the MAJORITY are ready to do it. When a small, vocal, manipulated, ponerized minority push for such changes - and it has been done repeatedly in history - there is usually nothing but a great deal of suffering followed by a long period of serious regression and a slow period of recovery of where society was before such an experiment was undertaken.

im a male myself, but have a lot of feminine features. strangers often get confused about my "cuteness" and the feminine aura that i have. i dont consider myself a transperson, but not a typical masculine man either. these are features i was born with. im a vegetarian too... man does that mean im soulless or just animal? lol

You are what you eat. Nuff said.

anyways, on another topic, my thoughts on vegetarianism are, that, yeas indeed it would be the most healthy way to eat both meat and plants, but with very little effort and a small sacrifice to your hedonism, you can live a full life without participating in the mass-slaughtering of animals.

Have you read "The Vegetarian Myth"? More damage is done to the planet and both flora and fauna thereon by agriculture than was ever done by eating meat.

Also; if you eat meat of an animal that has been caged for all its life, and grief and anxiousness and sorrow are pretty much only things that animal felt while alive, wouldnt those emotions partly transfer to you via eating its meat?

I agree with you here, for sure. We advocate free range, well-treated, and humanely prepared meat. If more people would put energy into advocating for that, demanding it, then it would happen.

similarily the aggressive nature of many muslims might be related to fact, that the halal meat they eat is from animal that has been killed by torture. the very last things the animal felt were pain and fear, and the animal releases hormones triggered by those felings into its flesh. those negative feelings that are transferred into its meat by hormones cant do much good when eaten by ppl, right? i do like the taste of meat, but, yeah... some poisons taste sweet too..

That's an interesting point about Muslims - and I think it is true of Jews and their kosher meat, too, isn't it? Not sure about that.

Read "The Vegetarian Myth" to understand the suffering of the planet due to agriculture and you'll think a bit differently about that lettuce and broccoli...

 

[Phill4]

if you genuinely feel that u have stronger feminine side, but are born man, whatd you do? it requires a lot of pretending and makeup and tricks to hide your masculine features if you are trans-woman, but "the visual side is just an illusion?." this is very interesting topic and relatively new problem in our society...

What you would do is what everyone else does, they accommodate to the standards of the time, if women of a certain time shaved their head and men wear wigs and that is considered sexy or represents good status or whatever (which serves survival), you feminine bias will be to.... shave your head. 20 years ago a man turning woman wanted to look like a woman (purse, perfume and nails on point), not like a dragqueen with a beard and horns as some types...
They would reflect or project the abstract idea of "attractiveness" and attempt to embody it whatever the norms are. And all of the "make up" and constructs associated with the roles swirl around basic biological responses and constructs.

Maybe we categorize when looking at another person, for example, gender is the base, then looks, then the constructs, and on and on and then we weight it for affinity and decide on all the secondary but the base is the same.

I think the points Laura made are excellent, it is wishful thinking to try to play god and trying to trans yourself and trans the world and trans everything you disagree with at whim and expect no backlash from the reality everyone else experiences.
My two cents

 

[Hi_Henry]

What you would do is what everyone else does, they accommodate to the standards of the time, if women of a certain time shaved their head and men wear wigs and that is considered sexy or represents good status or whatever (which serves survival), you feminine bias will be to.... shave your head. 20 years ago a man turning woman wanted to look like a woman (purse, perfume and nails on point), not like a drag queen with a beard and horns as some types...

In the Future it will be a hidden requirement on you CV that you took courses in LBGTQPWXYZ to even get past the first round of interviews. Make the mistake of using "he/she" and your OUT.

A Yale Daily News survey of freshmen students at that university found that more students of the class of 2022 identify on the LGBTQ spectrum than as conservative, and that queer freshmen even outnumber other sizable demographics in the class, such as Protestants and Catholics.

The paper’s survey, the results of which are composed of 864 respondents, or just over one-half of the freshman class, found that only nine percent of respondents identified as “somewhat conservative,” with one percent identifying as “very conservative.” LGBTQ respondents, on the other hand, greatly outnumberd conservatives in total: According to the survey, “nearly 5 percent [of respondents] identify as gay and just over 9 percent as bisexual or transsexual. Three percent opted not to answer, and the remaining 8 percent identified as asexual, ace spectrum or questioning their sexual orientation.”

Yale - Bush's alma mater Ha ha ha
The Corporate World will be getting such a huge injection of this that you will need ROUNDUP to clear out these weeds.

 

[luc]

Don't know if this was already posted somewhere, but RT aired this documentary about transsexuals:

Truly heartbreaking. I hope the movie as well as the protagonists will help some people make the right choices and not fall for the trans propaganda.

 

[DianaRose]

Good point Beau. The push to put everyone in employment so parents couldn't care for their children themselves reminds me of Hitler's policies. In the below video a Holocaust survivor describes the life under Hitler's rule just prior to the beginning of WW2.

The video is not devoted specifically to childcare so here's the transcript of the relevant section:




The difference from my perspective is that these days (at least in the two European countries I've lived in) child care is expensive and child carers aren't highly skilled in child psychology. They usually have rather basic skills and often receive very low salaries, which naturally causes all kinds of everyday problems that they don't leave behind the door when they come to work. Two of my recent housemates were nursery workers so I did get to hear their stories in response to "how was your day?" over the dinner table. They're stressed out and their heart simply isn't in it.

I see what you and Luc mean, but at the same time, if they have a career and they don't have any money issues that causes them to have to stay at home, I hardly know any mom who would choose to be a housewife, caring for her children all day long. Childcare is expensive which is the reason why many woman decide to stay home or work part-time these days. Many would just carry on with their work if it wasn't for that. From what I've noticed for many mothers, working is a kind of break from child-rearing which is often headache inducing, especially if the child is very young. Unless this is some kind of programming?

This being said, I do agree, that a woman who decides to stay at home to raise her kids, giving them good education is almost always seen as her being lazy, a parasite, even though it's actually very hard work! However, I've seen many stay at home mothers who do very little for or with their kids too. Or just don't know how to raise a little one that isn't spoiled rotten.

 

[T.C.]

Unless this is some kind of programming?

Camille Paglia talks about this quite a bit in interviews. She puts it in the context of her Italian heritage as well as in the greater historic context (alll the way back to Homer) where women would spend their lives and time in groups with other women, where they would head out to the local stream and do the washing together, or where groups of husbands and wives get together, and before and after the meal, the men spend time together, talking about their businesses or jobs, or sport or the latest problem they're having with the car (stuff that the women, in general; weren't bothered about) and the women would chat together about stuff that interested them, like people, the children...

She argues that women were happier and more fulfilled back then, and so were the men. So perhaps we can fall into a trap of thinking about this in terms of short-term happiness and long-term fulfillment. That the idea of being 'stuck' at home with screaming kids, a house to clean etc is not very appealing, but I think one of the things that is missing from the equation in modern times is the communal, sisterly, supportive female friends and family that have been eroded through the industrialisation that lead to the breakdown of community and the introduction of the nuclear family.

I don't exactly know how much truth there is in all that, it's just one of the arguments I've heard and it makes sense to me.