JEEP said:
Indeed. It will be a miracle if this doesn't lead to war.
It really feels like this will finally be it. I hope I'm overreacting.
Israel attacks Gaza flotilla - Many dead
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Indeed. It will be a miracle if this doesn't lead to war.
It really feels like this will finally be it. I hope I'm overreacting.
un chien anadolu
Jedi Master
Windmill knight said:JEEP said:
Indeed. It will be a miracle if this doesn't lead to war.
Iranian state radio announced today that one of the ships departed yesterday and expected to arrive Gaza at weekend. According to a Turkish newspaper's website (Habertürk) it is highly probable that there may be soldiers of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) on board.
EdgeofDawn
Jedi
It doesn't look like they are sending a military escort, just aid ships.
JEEP said:
On the hour long footage before and during the attack you can see the IDF guns have what look like paintball hoppers on the top of them. And as they fire the people keep peeking over to throw things at the boats. I don't think you'd keep tossing things at them if you were taking live fire. And there are pinkish stains on the boat walls.
But that does look like an uzi with a supressor in that youtube video that has the screen caps of the boarded soldiers.
clerck de bonk
Dagobah Resident
3D Student said:
Your point being? ...or did I miss an earlier post where this has relevance?
clerck de bonk said:
I think that the point is that even when we are condemning the actions of the Israeli Zionists, and trying to expose their crimes, we have to be sure that the information we present is accurate. If we say, e.g. that all the IDF commando's paintball guns were in fact Uzis, and the IDF comes with clear proof that at least one of the guns was in fact a paint ball gun then the whole claim is nullified - at least in the eye of the big public. For example, that's what motivated me to do my little analysis on the Mavi Marmara in my previous post. It's like with the 'no planes' theory and the 9/11 - truth movement, false information can make the whole thing look ridiculous.
Gonzo
The Living Force
I agree. One easy way to discredit an entire body of research is to point out minor errors in information supporting an argument, even if the flaw has no bearing on the validity.
Most people are easily swayed by such methods and end up throwing the baby out with the bath water, either because they believe the critic is right (after all, he found a genuine error) or out of fear that if one error is found, how many others remain undiscovered.
In this topsy turvy world where lies are truth and truths are twisted into lies, where can the common man turn for information?
- fear many end up giving up listening once they lose faith in both MSM and the alternative press once sufficient errors (no matter how minor) are uncovered.
Gonzo
Most people are easily swayed by such methods and end up throwing the baby out with the bath water, either because they believe the critic is right (after all, he found a genuine error) or out of fear that if one error is found, how many others remain undiscovered.
In this topsy turvy world where lies are truth and truths are twisted into lies, where can the common man turn for information?
- fear many end up giving up listening once they lose faith in both MSM and the alternative press once sufficient errors (no matter how minor) are uncovered.
Gonzo
clerck de bonk
Dagobah Resident
I stand corrected. Thanks 3D student, Aragorn and Gonzo
Grim said:
Actually some paintball guns are equipped with laser sights.
But it doesn't prove that IDF soliders were using this kind of guns since regular guns can also be equipped with laser-sights.
Belibaste said:
Seems they may have had both paintball guns AND regular guns. In any case, people were shot and killed by soldiers and that requires the use of real guns, and that is pretty much the end of story for me.
They are soldiers! Whether they carry paintball guns, a day's rations, and lip balm, nevertheless SOLDIERS ALWAYS CARRY GUNS. Soldiers are trained to KILL. That is their job. They don't go anywhere without their main tool of their trade.
Now what might be interesting, is why they would carry an accessory called a "paintball gun"? Hmmmm.... I personally have not picked up any soldiering or law enforcement related magazine, nor have I spoken with any soldiers, (or commandos - a fancy name for a more highly trained killer?) and heard of them using paintball guns in their actual work, but perhaps only as part of training and practising. Maybe another forum member has come across something, I would be curious.
I just want to point out, that to me at least, what a weird accessory this is for a soldier!
Perhaps if their attack on the flotilla got boring they could have instigated a spontaneous game of paintball to keep their their tactical skills fresh? Maybe they might have handed some out to the flotilla members and had a little "friendly game" of capture the flag?
Sheesh... well I guess you get my point. It is hard to see at first glance what use a gaming toy that resembles a lethal weapon, would be while conducting illegal nighttime raids on the high seas.
My first thought was they had a plan to have these on display for pictures and videos so they could prepare some kind of twisted propaganda to create some myth of unarmed soldiers (nearly "barefoot" was one stupid Israeli comment I think I read somewhere). I say twisted, because, it takes some incredible twists of logic to understand a plan to board ships armed with toys when they SAY they believe these ships likely had dangerous and armed terrorists.
Also perhaps a bit of splattering paint is useful to add to the fear and confusion factor instilled into the people being attacked? A paintball round splattering on your chest, or near you, is a reminder, that the next shot might be from a real gun.
Whatever...
[Edit: wording change]
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nwigal
Guest
Breton said:
It would be interesting if the "independent" review of the evidence included testing of some of the paint residue. What if the paintball guns were loaded with something other than paint?
Breton said:
That was the point I was making. And I think the reason why they brought the paintball guns was for non-lethal use. They sometimes have the balls filled with pepper dust to deter rioters. But it's clear with their having real guns also that they were prepared to use lethal force too.
clerck de bonk
Dagobah Resident
3D Student said:
...and did.
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