Jake Sully, Anonymous and "WhatIsThePlan" - PsyOps?

[Guardian]

The fact that by the end of it I could look straight through a person of such stature and see nothing but the small man behind the curtain, frantically toiling away to move his next agenda, was quite a surreal moment. And something within that moment is what drives me forward.

That drive is what keeps activists going, no matter what their area of Protest. :)
This generation has a HUGE advantage over the PTB too...instant communication.

It used to be than even when we exposed a narc, it took forever to tell everybody. 3 or 4 days to crank out a few hundred fliers on a Ditto machine, then a fold, address and stamp party, and another week for the mail to be delivered. Then the various bookstores had to hang the posters, pass out the fliers, etc. It would take us MONTHS to accomplish what Anonymous and other activist groups can literally do in minutes now. The people don't change, good or bad, but the technology with which we can talk about them sure does.

 

[Guardian]

If I might state the obvious for those that are new to this forum, I doubt that most of us "believe" much of anything that a new forum member says, since they have no established reputation.

Well, to be completely honest, I don't necessarily "believe" what old forum members say either....not without proof. Just because somebody truly believes something..it doesn't make them right. Perceptions are flexible, whereas facts are not.

Any person (including me) can be 100% truthful, and 100% wrong, at the same time. When this all started, I was just sure "Marie's" psycho ex-husband was behind it. I was NOT expecting to find a bunch of mini-Blackwater type goons using the psycho ex AND Anonymous for their own purposes (gov contracts/money)

It's weird, you know in your mind that they're out there, but it's still a surprise everytime one bites you in the butt.

 

[go2]

The fact that by the end of it I could look straight through a person of such stature and see nothing but the small man behind the curtain, frantically toiling away to move his next agenda, was quite a surreal moment. And something within that moment is what drives me forward.

That drive is what keeps activists going, no matter what their area of Protest. :)
This generation has a HUGE advantage over the PTB too...instant communication.

It used to be than even when we exposed a narc, it took forever to tell everybody. 3 or 4 days to crank out a few hundred fliers on a Ditto machine, then a fold, address and stamp party, and another week for the mail to be delivered. Then the various bookstores had to hang the posters, pass out the fliers, etc. It would take us MONTHS to accomplish what Anonymous and other activist groups can literally do in minutes now. The people don't change, good or bad, but the technology with which we can talk about them sure does.

The internet seems a real game changer, leveling the playing field to some extent. No wonder the controllers seem desperate to extinguish the flame of Truth before their methods and aim are revealed to all. Some think the internet is as far reaching a technology for change as Guttenberg's Press was in another age. I have learned more about reality on the planet in the last three years, than I did in the first fifty. Yea, the internet and a network of people with the same aim is a force multiplier I could not have imagined twenty years ago.

 

[Laura]

Any person (including me) can be 100% truthful, and 100% wrong, at the same time. When this all started, I was just sure "Marie's" psycho ex-husband was behind it. I was NOT expecting to find a bunch of mini-Blackwater type goons using the psycho ex AND Anonymous for their own purposes (gov contracts/money)

It's weird, you know in your mind that they're out there, but it's still a surprise everytime one bites you in the butt.

Speaking of which: earlier in the thread I recommended that all activists should read Prouty's book "The Secret Team" to get a real idea of what we are all up against. Well, it's been awhile since I read it... and just awhile ago a friend of mine who reads the forum but isn't actually a member (I don't think) wrote to me:

Laura

I picked up The Secret Team today to read. It has been on my book pile for awhile but until today did not start it.
On page xxxvii of the Preface: The Secret Team 1997: he writes the following:

'I pointed out, years ago in public pronouncements, that the CIA's most important 'cover story' is that of an "intelligence agency". Of course, the CIA does make use of "intelligence" and its assumed role of "intelligence gathering", but that is largely a front for its primary interest, "Fun and Games"... as the "Old Boys" or "Jedburghs" of the WWII period Office of Strategic Services (OSS) called it.

Were you aware of this reference? Very interesting given the recent research you guys have done.

It doesn't get any more "in your face" than that.

 

[anart]

It doesn't get any more "in your face" than that.

Nope, it doesn't. Those types love their wordplay and 'code' names.

 

[Guardian]

The internet seems a real game changer, leveling the playing field to some extent. No wonder the controllers seem desperate to extinguish the flame of Truth before their methods and aim are revealed to all.

It's taken Protest to an entirely new level. "Passive Resistance" sounds like a great idea 'til you sit down in front of Dow Chemical's gate, then the cops come and drag your passive resistant butt down the driveway by your hair. The waistband of your Levi's acts like a little scoop right at the small of your back, and you wind up spending the next 48 hours in an ovedrcrowded, tiny little room trying to pick the gravel out from between your butt cheeks.

When all is said an done, you've barely made a dent in Dow's bottom line.

These kids are creating "Cyber Laser Cannons" that can cost the same abusive corporations MUCH more then thousands of physical protestors can. It's brilliant! The cost of countering a organized Protest in meatspace is always passed on to the taxpayer, but the Corporations themselves bear the majority of the costs associated with Cyber Protests.

Even more important, no one gets physically hurt, not the protesters, or the poor (terrified) police horses, or innocent bystanders. The direct impact is to the corporate monetary system.

I've been reading where several of the "Anonymous" Cyber Protestors have recently been arrested, and I am so hoping they will plead "Not Guilty by Reason of Civil Disobedience" and ask for a Jury trial.

There is enough of them to seriously bog down the courts with NGCD pleas.

 

[Guardian]

"Jedburghs"[/b] of the WWII period Office of Strategic Services (OSS) called it.

Were you aware of this reference?

Yes, and I also have a screenshot of Alex Berta claiming to be a "Retired OSS Secret Agent " which I took as a reference to the Jedburgh Corp

 

[Guardian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Jedburgh
Operation Jedburgh
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jedburghs on a high bars in an obstacle course in Milton Hall, England

Operation Jedburgh was a clandestine operation during World War II, in which personnel of the British Special Operations Executive, the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, the Free French Bureau Central de Renseignements et d'Action ("Intelligence and operations central bureau") and the Dutch and Belgian Armies were dropped by parachute into Nazi-occupied France, Holland, and Belgium to conduct sabotage and guerilla warfare, and to lead the local resistance forces in actions against the Germans.

 

[ocean59]

"Jedburghs"[/b] of the WWII period Office of Strategic Services (OSS) called it.

Were you aware of this reference?

Yes, and I also have a screenshot of Alex Berta claiming to be a "Retired OSS Secret Agent " which I took as a reference to the Jedburgh Corp

Too strange, I was just randomly googling Jedburgh and found the following minutes before reading these recent replies. Tons of symbolism for sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Jedburgh

Operation Jedburgh was a clandestine operation during World War II, in which personnel of the British Special Operations Executive, the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, the Free French Bureau Central de Renseignements et d'Action ("Intelligence and operations central bureau") and the Dutch and Belgian Armies were dropped by parachute into Nazi-occupied France, Holland, and Belgium to conduct sabotage and guerilla warfare, and to lead the local resistance forces in actions against the Germans.

<snip>

France and the United States would both use similar operations a few years later in Vietnam.

Many of the surviving American "Jeds" later held various positions of great responsibility in the US Army or the CIA. Examples include William Colby, who became director of the CIA, Lucien Conein, who was a key CIA officer in Vietnam, General John Singlaub and Colonel Aaron Bank (founder of United States Army Special Forces).

Among French Jedburghs were Paul Aussaresses, later founder of the SDECE's 11e RPC, and counter-insurgency expert in French Algeria; Jean Sassi, another who later served in the 11e RPC, who pioneered conventional guerrilla commandos GCMA with Roger Trinquier during the First Indochina War; Guy Le Borgne, commander of the 8e Choc Parachute Battalion in Indochina, the 3rd Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment in Algeria and 11th Parachute Division.

Edit: Looks like Guardian found it too. :D

 

[luke wilson]

Ok, I am a serious government agency and I want to take down SOTT and the Cassiopaea project for real. What do I do? I come up with a bio for all the main movers and shakers within that circle. Isn't rule no 1 you always have to know what your up against. And since I am government or secret organisation and all that means, it can't be that hard to find out who these people are, what they like, what kind of food they eat, where they shop etc. Now, that isn't really important, what is more important is finding out your 'type.' How you think, how you make decisions etc. Now it seems to me they have left an almighty maze behind which falls right into Laura's type, she likes to investigate and gather the tiniest clues and build them up, sherlock holmes style. The problems is, in my opinion, some of these clues don't seem to match up to the so-called opponent. As in, the opponent, this mystery body that can carry out a multi faceted attack like this, can make such and I mean no disrespect, 'SILLY' mistakes as leaving names of the personnel - those military types, behind like bread crumbs to be found.

 

[Guardian]

Edit: Looks like Guardian found it too. :D

Yeah, but I didn't find any direct confirmation that Morris actually named his business the "Jedburgh Corp" based on the British connection, so I didn't include it in the article. Berta's reference to it could just be something they noticed after the fact?

 

[Guardian]

As in, the opponent, this mystery body that can carry out a multi faceted attack like this, can make such and I mean no disrespect, 'SILLY' mistakes as leaving names of the personnel - those military types, behind like bread crumbs to be found.

I wonder about this too, but people do make mistakes, and have their own agendas. Alex Berta did have a few words with his host, David Wykofka, regarding the fact that he cut off services to a hacker, Kevin Mitnick
_http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/19/att_dumps_kevin_mitnick/

Wykofka appears to be the one who registered worldrevolt.net in Alex Berta's name without making it private like Berta's other domains? Did he do it on purpose for some reason, or by accident?

Of course paid provocateurs aren't expecting most people to actually check for facts before they go off...because they usually don't.

 

[luke wilson]

My last comment in this thread because I think I am getting abit to paranoid and freaking out causing my mind to make all kinds of jumps and conclusions.

The whole setup is, somehow two grass-roots movements were meant to be pitted against each other. That has failed, rather miserably as is quite evident with this thread. However, through this failure, things are being said, movements are being made. All directly connected to this failure. Fine, you can argue and it is the most plausible argument, that it is due to having greater foresight, that the movements have indeed risen above but what if, the aim was to get two groups to fight against each other, just not the 2 current groups. What if one of the groups(either SOTT or whoever Jake annoyed), is like a dummy group and the 3rd group is truly genuine and rather dangerous and what would provoke a reaction from said group, is a genuine provocation. As the saying goes, 'give them enough rope and then sit back and watch' and then the 3rd responsible party like true and proper espionage types get to walk a way squeeky clean. Am being paranoid, I know I am but decided to stick this here just in case - lets put it down to an over active imagination.

 

[whitecoast]

The internet seems a real game changer, leveling the playing field to some extent. No wonder the controllers seem desperate to extinguish the flame of Truth before their methods and aim are revealed to all.

It's taken Protest to an entirely new level. "Passive Resistance" sounds like a great idea 'til you sit down in front of Dow Chemical's gate, then the cops come and drag your passive resistant butt down the driveway by your hair. The waistband of your Levi's acts like a little scoop right at the small of your back, and you wind up spending the next 48 hours in an ovedrcrowded, tiny little room trying to pick the gravel out from between your butt cheeks.

When all is said an done, you've barely made a dent in Dow's bottom line.

These kids are creating "Cyber Laser Cannons" that can cost the same abusive corporations MUCH more then thousands of physical protestors can. It's brilliant! The cost of countering a organized Protest in meatspace is always passed on to the taxpayer, but the Corporations themselves bear the majority of the costs associated with Cyber Protests.

Even more important, no one gets physically hurt, not the protesters, or the poor (terrified) police horses, or innocent bystanders. The direct impact is to the corporate monetary system.

I've been reading where several of the "Anonymous" Cyber Protestors have recently been arrested, and I am so hoping they will plead "Not Guilty by Reason of Civil Disobedience" and ask for a Jury trial.

There is enough of them to seriously bog down the courts with NGCD pleas.

I don't know guardian. As effective as cyber protests are compared to civil disobedience, that is really dependent on what your goal is, and what the opposition is. If its Dow, then great- their profits are hurt. But if it is political and economic system at large, with its assorted psychopaths in power, it may be counterproductive. As mentioned previously by Laura and the recent SOTT focus, it may just give the PTB an excuse to up internet surveillance and exert further control on free speech and online access privileges (like the proposed three strike rule in France.) the p
The reasons for this lie, I think, in the issue of moral polarity. In any conflict it's the side that is more polarized toward either good or evil (or service-to-others or service-to-self) that decides the outcome. My worry is that using tactics that are, I think, in themselves more service-to-self oriented will backfire, because the opposition, full of authoritarians and the like, are exceptionally better at it. OSIT.

 

[go2]

I might have missed it, but I didn't see a link on the thread to the SOTT feature which connects this affair to the Jedburgh Corp. It is a master piece of collecting evidence and connecting the dots. Be sure to read the article in conjunction with this thread, if you haven't already.

The Jedburgh link in the Secret Team is one of those clues these types think people are to stupid to connect. I wonder how they like the light of day on their "Old Boys" club?