Jake Sully, Anonymous and "WhatIsThePlan" - PsyOps?

[anart]

My last comment in this thread because I think I am getting abit to paranoid and freaking out causing my mind to make all kinds of jumps and conclusions.

The whole setup is, somehow two grass-roots movements were meant to be pitted against each other. That has failed, rather miserably as is quite evident with this thread. However, through this failure, things are being said, movements are being made. All directly connected to this failure. Fine, you can argue and it is the most plausible argument, that it is due to having greater foresight, that the movements have indeed risen above but what if, the aim was to get two groups to fight against each other, just not the 2 current groups. What if one of the groups(either SOTT or whoever Jake annoyed), is like a dummy group and the 3rd group is truly genuine and rather dangerous and what would provoke a reaction from said group, is a genuine provocation. As the saying goes, 'give them enough rope and then sit back and watch' and then the 3rd responsible party like true and proper espionage types get to walk a way squeeky clean. Am being paranoid, I know I am but decided to stick this here just in case - lets put it down to an over active imagination.

I think you might be letting your emotions run your thinking. No reason to freak out. :)

 

[anart]

I don't know guardian. As effective as cyber protests are compared to civil disobedience, that is really dependent on what your goal is, and what the opposition is. If its Dow, then great- their profits are hurt. But if it is political and economic system at large, with its assorted psychopaths in power, it may be counterproductive. As mentioned previously by Laura and the recent SOTT focus, it may just give the PTB an excuse to up internet surveillance and exert further control on free speech and online access privileges (like the proposed three strike rule in France.) the p
The reasons for this lie, I think, in the issue of moral polarity. In any conflict it's the side that is more polarized toward either good or evil (or service-to-others or service-to-self) that decides the outcome. My worry is that using tactics that are, I think, in themselves more service-to-self oriented will backfire, because the opposition, full of authoritarians and the like, are exceptionally better at it. OSIT.

I think this might be getting into a hypothetical discussion that would be best served in another thread. We'd like to keep this one on target if at all possible, so if you'd like to discuss the theory behind activism in general, or cyber activism in particular, feel free to start another thread. (?)

 

[Laura]

The problems is, in my opinion, some of these clues don't seem to match up to the so-called opponent. As in, the opponent, this mystery body that can carry out a multi faceted attack like this, can make such and I mean no disrespect, 'SILLY' mistakes as leaving names of the personnel - those military types, behind like bread crumbs to be found.

Unless the opponent is pathological, then it fits. I can't encourage people enough to study psychopathology for their own safety and the safety of those they love.

You see, psychopaths have a blind spot and incredible egos... plus they count on their authoritarian personality type followers to support them no matter how obvious things get. And so far, it has worked. The filth and degradation of the criminal gang in charge of this planet couldn't be any more obvious, but with the control of the media and the military AND the massive support of at least 25% of the population (the authoritarian types) who are very vocal and willing to get out and be active on behalf of their masters (including participating in cyberwarfare), there's not much chance of any activism making any real changes.

I used to think that educating people would do it, but I don't think that anymore. I think that things are going to have to get very, very bad before their followers wake up.

 

[anart]

I might have missed it, but I didn't see a link on the thread to the SOTT feature which links this affair to the Jedburgh Corp. It is a master piece of collecting evidence and connecting the dots. Be sure to read the article in conjunction with this thread, if you haven't already.

The Jedburgh link in the Secret Team is one of those clues these types think people are to stupid to connect. I wonder how they like the light of day on their "Old Boys" club?

It was linked about a dozen pages or so ago - but doesn't hurt to link it again.

 

[Guardian]

All directly connected to this failure. Fine, you can argue and it is the most plausible argument, that it is due to having greater foresight,

I think it's also due to our current ability to communicate in mass almost instantaneously. They're using 40+ year old tactics that just don't work so good in Cyberspace. None of us are dependent on anyone else's perceptions. We can all go google and figure out what's going on for ourselves if we want to.

 

[Windmill knight]

Hey, just to let you guys know, you're being played by these recent arrivals. They're a group of people who have been going after r3x / telemachos / jake sully for quite some time now. They're trying to get you to turn on Jake just to screw with him and they're laughing at you for being so easily manipulated in the process. These are recent logs (not even an hour old) from an IRC chatroom where they are planning their posts. This is just a little snippet of the ongoing conversation.

<PresidentShaw> http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,24816.120.html
<Sixtwelve> and we convinced them he was a government plant
<Sunbat> Quetzalcoatl = Thoth from the egyptian pantheon
<Sixtwelve> trying to get anons to attack each other and attack cassiopaea

Well, if they did write those things, I fail to see what's the big deal about making us turn against Jake? It's not like Jake was a pillar in this forum, you know? He was just one member out of 3,000-+, one with a particular large ego and a taste for preaching and causing trouble with his preaching, so he wasn't very popular around here. Which is why I keep giggling every time someone mentions that this is "Jake's turf". What rights does a guest have over the house he is visiting?

And what would be the big deal for Jake himself if we turn against him? Surely he can live without this forum, as he has so well demonstrated with his many online activities?

By the way, it was us who began wondering if he was a government plant, as you can read on this very thread earlier. And it was us who figured that someone was trying to get anons to attack each other and Cassiopaea, as was explained in the recent Sott article. Recent arrivals didn't have to convince us of anything.

So I'm inclined to think that the new arrivals would be smart enough to realize all of the above.

In any case, I'm still open to possibilities, but one thing is certain. We were attacked, and someone is putting way too much energy to confuse the issue. Which, you know, kinda proves our point about Cointelpro...

 

[Ingraham Effingham]

Hello and eriuo eoluas to all you fellow stargazers.

Im pretty sure this isn't the right place to post this but:

_http://www.jayweidner.com/LauraKnightFraud.html

This crazy guy seems to have lots of mean stuff to say about Laura. Is he a government agent?

 

[Ingraham Effingham]

Maybe's he's friends with JakeSully, or Rex, or telemachos or whatever his name is.

Wow that's a lot of pseudonyms, some thing suspicious about this whole thing

 

[luke wilson]

I tend to agree with all the conclusions reached through the work that SOTT and members such as Guardian have done. A lot of dots truly have been connected. Am actually quite in awe at how the whole thing has been conducted, quite impressive. Despite taking a minor tour to lala land and coming up with elaborate theories, mistakes were made by these people, mistakes that showed who they were and if anything, this whole event has created this dialogue, including the recent articles which can only be positive.

Also, I can see why they might be scared by the whole diet thing. It's only such crystalline healthy brains that can make such dramatic and I think that is the right word, such dramatic advancements as has been shown by the uncovering of this recent events without falling into 'magical thinking'. It's truly a marvel to witness.

 

[Guardian]

In any case, I'm still open to possibilities, but one thing is certain. We were attacked, and someone is putting way too much energy to confuse the issue. Which, you know, kinda proves our point about Cointelpro...

Yeah, and I've still got a LOT of data to format and post. Stuff like Alex Berta is friends with Adrian Lamo (the pig lover who narced out Bradley Manning) on Last.FM

http://www.last.fm/user/Criticalmass24/friends
http://www.last.fm/user/AdrianLamo/friends?page=2

..and "J. Mo" who's on both Lamo and Berta's last.fm friends list sure looks like "John Morris" co-owner of the Jedburgh Corp?

http://www.last.fm/user/ableground/friends

 

[anart]

Hello and eriuo eoluas to all you fellow stargazers.

Im pretty sure this isn't the right place to post this but:

_http://www.jayweidner.com/LauraKnightFraud.html

This crazy guy seems to have lots of mean stuff to say about Laura. Is he a government agent?

Yep, that's old news and has been discussed at length on the forum. If you do a search on Jay Weidner, you can read all about him to your heart's content.

 

[anart]

Maybe's he's friends with JakeSully, or Rex, or telemachos or whatever his name is.

Wow that's a lot of pseudonyms, some thing suspicious about this whole thing

Probably not, that one goes back a long time. Again, lots of info here about it, if you're sincerely interested.

 

[Ingraham Effingham]

Hello and eriuo eoluas to all you fellow stargazers.

Im pretty sure this isn't the right place to post this but:

_http://www.jayweidner.com/LauraKnightFraud.html

This crazy guy seems to have lots of mean stuff to say about Laura. Is he a government agent?

Yep, that's old news and has been discussed at length on the forum. If you do a search on Jay Weidner, you can read all about him to your heart's content.

WOW so he IS a proven government agent, not just another wacko.

jeez...looking around here, it seems that there are lots of cointelpro out to get you guys. good thing you guys are experts at find them!

 

[Ingraham Effingham]

Maybe's he's friends with JakeSully, or Rex, or telemachos or whatever his name is.

Wow that's a lot of pseudonyms, some thing suspicious about this whole thing

Probably not, that one goes back a long time. Again, lots of info here about it, if you're sincerely interested.

But they both seem to be trying to give this site a bad name...

 

[anart]

WOW so he IS a proven government agent, not just another wacko.

jeez...looking around here, it seems that there are lots of cointelpro out to get you guys. good thing you guys are experts at find them!

Not really. It's kind of like having a mouse in your house. You try to ignore it and just keep on doing what you do until eventually it gets so annoying that you have to get rid of it, and all its little mousey friends. After so many years of these nutjobs obsessing over what we do here, it just got annoying. So, some time and energy was spent on finding out exactly why and who was behind it. That's all. I think any normal person would do the same - probably a lot sooner, actually...