Japan - 8.9 Earthquake - Fukushima Meltdown

Esote

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You might be right LQB.
It could very well be a mix of truth and hype...
Some more investigation is sure needed !
 

paralleloscope

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This one has some fresh California readings, though I'm not equipped to say how accurate or cooked it is:
_http://agreenroad.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/radioactive-rain-closes-130-schools-in.html

Some snippets from it:

Antiproton experienced 3,000 CPM rain on the East Coast on Dec. 6th, 2013, and he explains how the rain contains really 'hot' radon, which decays away in less than a week.

https://youtu.be/Btf2XiFRtUQ

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c.a.

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Getting Hotter. :shock:
Fukushima radiation hits San Francisco!
Published on Dec 25. 2013
Where thesis readings taken on December 24th Christmas eve on San Francisco beach.
Normal background radiation is 20-40 ... alert levels are 100 and over. Did not this guy lay on the sand the counter Either! It Would Have Been much higher if He Had laid it on the ground
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elnuXmG5hBc#t=118

A map close to the area in question.
SF coast Great Highway
_science.kqed.org/quest/files/2013/02/map-small.jpg

Enenews

Published: December 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am ET
Experts: Fukushima disaster victims to include up to 600,000 deaths, over 100,000 still-births, and over 100,000 children with genetic deformations
_http://enenews.com/experts-fukushima-victims-to-include-up-to-300000-deaths-over-100000-still-births-and-over-100000-children-with-genetic-deformations
Estimate of Consequences from the Fukushima Disaster, Jiřina Vitázková and Errico Cazzoli, Nordic PSA Conference (nuclear utilities in Finland and Sweden), September 2011 (emphasis added): The results with respect to health effects show that within 80 years the number of victims of the Fukushima disaster can be expected to be AT LEAST in the range of 10,000 to 300,000 people in terms of deaths due to infectious diseases, cardiovascular diseases, genetic diseases, and cancers; and about the same number of sicknesses/syndromes needing prolonged hospitalization and health care are expected to occur. This estimates accounts only for the population already living at the time of the accident. A comparable number of excess deaths and sicknesses may be expected in the population that will be born in the period. In addition to these, more than 100,000 excess still-births and a comparable or larger number of excess children born with genetic deformations (e.g. Down syndrome) are expected [...]
 

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dugdeep

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This article showed up in my Facebook feed today. Admittedly, I didn't read the whole thing, but it basically says that the info that's circulating about Fukushima radiation is blown way out of proportion and that very little, if any, radiation is going to get to the West Coast USA/Canada and that it's actually safe to eat the sea food. I'm not well-versed enough in the science to be able to tell if this has any merit or if it's just a PR job. Any comments?

_http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/
 

Aya

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dugdeep said:
This article showed up in my Facebook feed today. Admittedly, I didn't read the whole thing, but it basically says that the info that's circulating about Fukushima radiation is blown way out of proportion and that very little, if any, radiation is going to get to the West Coast USA/Canada and that it's actually safe to eat the sea food. I'm not well-versed enough in the science to be able to tell if this has any merit or if it's just a PR job. Any comments?

_http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/

I read this article and it looks like some scientific facts in it are accurate to some extent (though I don't have an ability to verify), but the person who wrote it did not reach objective conclusions because of his black and white thinking, maybe? I noticed that he is missing the information on people's observation of the environment.

As Japanese prof. Hiroaki Koide and other radiation experts are saying over and over, there is no safe dose of radiation that is coming from Fukushima so it is not a good idea to call it safe easily.
Even it if is a small amount, if there is a poison in pacific salmon you eat, it does not mean that the fish is safe, right?

I found that these are alarming sentences that this article makes me think it is a PR job.

WILL THE RADIATION REACHING THE WEST COAST BE DANGEROUS?
No it will not be dangerous. Even within 300 km of Fukushima, the additional radiation that was introduced by the Cesium-137 fallout is still well below the background radiation levels from naturally occurring radioisotopes. By the time those radioactive atoms make their way to the West Coast it will be even more diluted and therefore not dangerous at all.

The fact does not change; the Fukushima radiation is dangerous!

It’s not even dangerous to swim off the coast of Fukushima. Buessler et al. figured out how much radiation damage you would get if you doggie paddled about Fukushima (Yes, science has given us radioactive models of human swimmers). It was less than 0.03% of the daily radiation an average Japanese resident receives. Tiny!

He is sounding like the Japanese government, justifying that radiation that is received by Fukushima residents are tiny and ignoring the ongoing health problems.

Hell, the radiation was so small even immediately after the accident scientists did not wear any special equipment to handle the seawater samples (but they did wear detectors just in case). If you want danger, you’re better off licking the dial on an old-school glow in the dark watch.

hmm.. the workers were not able to wear any special protections to handle the aftermath because TEPCO neglected to provide them.

Fish from the rest of the Pacific are safe. To say it mildly, most fish are kinda lazy. They really don’t travel that far so when you catch a Mahi Mahi off the coast of Hawaii its only going to be as contaminated as the water there, which isn’t very much.Hyperactive fish, such as tuna may be more radioactive than local lazy fish because they migrate so far. As Miriam pointed out in this post, there is a detectable increase of radiation in tuna because they were at one point closer to Fukushima, but the levels are not hazardous.

He is missing the possibilities of food chain.

EAT PACIFIC FISH AND SO CAN YOU!
I hope this list of facts has answered most of your questions and convinced you the Pacific and its inhabitants will not be fried by radiation from Fukushima. I certainly feel safe eating sustainable seafood from the Pacific and so should you. If you are still unsure, please feel free to ask questions in the comments section below.

Personally, I do not buy any fish that is coming from Pacific Ocean…

He might be a person who has done a sincere research about Fukushima and found out that there is nothing to be scared of (to the contrary of what he has expected). And he has decided that the situation is not as bad as other articles says and concluded that we are still safe - "we can eat pacific fish without any worries." Or it's just a PR job, osit.
 

Kaigen

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http://www.sott.net/article/274217-Highly-radioactive-water-leak-discovered-at-Fukushima-Tepco-says
The accident came a day after Tepco announced that one of the two thermometers in the lower part of the No.2 reactor pressure vessel is out of order. There were originally nine thermometers in the vessel, Kyodo News reported, but eight have now stopped working.

I'm wondering, what can cause 8 thermometers to stop working?
 

Kaigen

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http://www.sott.net/article/274751-Fukushima-clean-up-system-hit-by-further-problems

The radioactive water clean-up system at the stricken Fukushima plant was hit by another issue as its alarm went off. The warning alerted that one of the two clean-up pumps had stopped functioning.

After the alarm, a pump for sending tainted water into equipment where radioactive materials are absorbed stopped working, the facility's operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) said.

I guess problems like this are on daily basis but not all make it to the news.
 

Kaigen

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This is an important interview to listen to. Japan’s Black Dust, with Marco Kaltofen.

This week Fairewinds Energy Education interviewed Marco Kaltofen, a leading scientist who studies radiation as well as specific radioactive isotopes. Marco and Arnie discuss a recent sample that contained highly concentrated radioactive material from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident. As the sound quality of this recording varies, we have transcribed the podcast so you can read along.

http://fairewinds.org/podcast/japans-black-dust-with-marco-kaltofen

I think this Podcast is good for Sott. It is also translated in two languages: German and French.
 

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Kaigen said:
This is an important interview to listen to. Japan’s Black Dust, with Marco Kaltofen.

This week Fairewinds Energy Education interviewed Marco Kaltofen, a leading scientist who studies radiation as well as specific radioactive isotopes. Marco and Arnie discuss a recent sample that contained highly concentrated radioactive material from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident. As the sound quality of this recording varies, we have transcribed the podcast so you can read along.

http://fairewinds.org/podcast/japans-black-dust-with-marco-kaltofen

I think this Podcast is good for Sott. It is also translated in two languages: German and French.

Not a good sample being 10 km. out on the other side of the exclusion zone:

It’s not a mix of mineral particles and pieces of dead bugs and plant matter and dust particles. It’s actually very homogenous and uniform when you look at it under the microscope. And it doesn’t look like the surrounding soils. And it is much more intensely radioactive than any other soil or dust sample we’ve gotten from around Fukushima Daiichi. So this material is different. It’s not a natural soil. There’s something unusual happening with this stuff.

[...]

The sample had fairly high levels of radium 226. Now that’s not a radioisotope that we hear as much about. The radium 226 has almost as much activity as the radioactive Cesium in the sample. Radium 226 is a degradation product of uranium and we can’t really detect the uranium directly. Uranium has such a long half-life, it doesn’t really show up on the gamma detector. That’s why the uranium that was created when the earth was created billions of years ago is still around. But one of these daughter products, – one of the things it degraded into is radium 226, which is much more intensely radioactive than the original uranium. And this tells me that this particle contains not only fission waste products from the reactor but very likely contains a concentrated unburned nuclear fuel. And that’s unusual. This sample had by far the highest level of uranium daughters that we’ve seen in a dust or soil sample. We’re actually seeing material that might well have come from inside a failed fuel assembly.

So that must have been some kind of blast to move these "unburned" particles 10km out and possibly more. Scary.
 

Kaigen

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Slowly revealing the obvious.

_http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/08/nhk-admitted-pieces-fuel-rods-reactor-vessels-blasted-least-ibaraki-contain-uranium-zirconium/

In the early morning news flash of 8/9/2014, NHK announced that pieces of nuclear fuel, fuel rods, reactor pressure vessels and the internal structure were blasted to at least 130km away from Fukushima nuclear plant.

It was 2μm diameter particle. The ball-looking shape proves it was molten in high temperature and quickly cooled down. The particles contain Uranium, Zirconium etc, which are the same material as nuclear fuel and the structure inside the vessels. These were collected from 3/14 ~ 3/15/2011 in Tsukuba city Ibaraki prefecture by the study group of Science Univ. of Tokyo.

The reason why NHK suddenly started reporting about this fact is not clear. It has been already 3 years and 5 months, which is probably too late to escape. There is a possibility that NHK announces the actual contamination situation in the area closer to Tokyo when people pay much less attention to Fukushima accident.

http://www.2chdb.net/thread/response/b/2chsc/ts/ai/tp/newsplus/r/1407546759

Au cours du flash des premières nouvelles de la matinée du 9 août 2014, la NHK déclare que des morceaux de combustible nucléaires des barres de combustible, des morceaux des enceintes pressurisées du réacteur et de sa structure interne ont été projetés à au moins 130 km de la centrale nucléaire de Fukushima.

Il s’agit de particules de 2μm de diamètre. Leur aspect sphérique prouve qu’ils ont été fondus à haute température, puis refroidis très rapidement. Ces particules contiennent de l’uranium, du zirconium etc, qui sont des composants trouvés sous cette forme uniquement dans le combustible nucléaire et dans la structure intérieure des enceintes nucléaires. Elles ont été collectées entre le 14 et le 15 mars 2011 dans la commune de Tsukuba de la préfecture d’Ibaraki au cours d’une étude d’un groupe de l’Université des Sciences de Tokyo.

La raison pour laquelle la NHK se met soudain à en parler maintenant n’est pas établie. Ça date déjà de 3 ans et 5 mois, ce qui est certainement “un peu trop tard”. Il est probable que la NHK annonce la véritable situation des régions proches de Tokyo lorsque les gens font beaucoup moins attention à l’accident de Fukushima.

http://www.2chdb.net/thread/response/b/2chsc/ts/ai/tp/newsplus/r/1407546759

Vous pouvez lire ceci parce que nous avons survécu jusqu’à aujourd’hui.
 

gdpetti

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"slowly revealing the obvious"... like most other situations/stories around the planet... they all seem to share this aspect of hidden secrets slowly being revealed... 'in your face', for those paying attention.... good thing for the sheep dogs that most of the herd isn't paying attention... tha
 

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Nothing is getting better there (and nothing ever will?).

_http://en.ria.ru/analysis/20140823/192281175/Physicists-Say-Fukushima-Reactors-Pose-Eternal-Threat-to.html

Physicists Say Fukushima Reactors Pose Eternal Threat to Humanity

MOSCOW, August 23 (RIA Novosti) - The three molten cores at Fukushima plant, each weighing a hundred tons, are so radioactive, that no one can approach them, including robots, which melt down immediately, Dr. Helen Caldicott, the 1985 Nobel Peace Prize nominee, physician and anti-nuclear advocate, states in an interview to Radio VR:

And no one ever will, and the contamination will go on for hundreds of years,” Ms. Caldicott cites top physicists as saying.

Initially, TEPCO, the Japanese power provider wanted to erect an ice wall around the perimeter of the Fukushima complex, as ground water the underneath the reactor is absorbing radiation and then flowing into the ocean.

An ice wall is a silly idea given the circumstances, remarks the expert, as it would have to last at least a hundred years. Moreover, you would have to have electricity running all the time to keep the ground frozen, explains Ms. Caldicott.

Surprisingly enough, TEPCO is not consulting with anyone, says the expert, neither with Russia, after it survived the Chernobyl catastrophe, nor Bechtel, a US major engineering company. It is, conversely, “saving money, using paper coming from homeless shelters”, and the Japanese mafia Yakuza is hiring people to do this work.

The expert stresses they are witnessing an absolute catastrophe: 300-400 tons of radioactive water pour daily into the Pacific, and this has been going on for over three years now contaminating the ocean and its ecology.

Radiation cannot be diluted, as many isotopes, namely strontium, are concentrated in food chains, in algae for instance. The contamination then passes one to bigger fish typically caught on the east coast from Fukushima. Radiation in the ocean and its ecology has been detected as far away as the America West Coast. TEPCO has stated more than once, the expert says, that they know radioactive water is seeping into the ocean, however, they keep assuring that it is not at levels high enough to cause a significant threat.

Another VR expert, Thomas Drolet, who is Chairman, CEO and President at GreenWell Renewable Power Corporation, sounds less pessimistic, stating the radiation can essentially be done away with as time passes:

“As a technician and nuclear reactor engineer I can say that they will eventually succeed.”

Conditions on the site are difficult, though, he adds. Two big problems arose from the very start: for one thing, there’s water that originated in the reactor, which flowed through the damaged fill and went to the lower levels. Secondly, there is the ground water that naturally flows from higher elevations to the west, through the ground system, picks up radioactivity around the basement areas of the damaged reactors and flows on to the sea and to the bottom parts of the damaged reactors, Mr. Drolet says.

“The way it can eventually be solved is that of removing the water that is in the basement areas of the turbine building (and they are working on unit 2 right now) and getting it pumped out,” points out Mr. Drolet citing sophisticated filtration systems now being employed. “They can absorb the radiation and hold it.”

Engineer brigades are currently aiming to block a particular pass so that work could be done inside the building to get the contaminated water sucked out.

Still, the complex radiation fields make the surrounding environment hard enough to handle, with people at all times wearing thick suits to protect them from “external radiation inhalation”. This further complicates specialists’ day to day life on the site. Mr. Drolet clearly differentiates between the site as is and the exclusion zone, comprised of small towns and roads lying nearby, within 18 kilometers from the place. The latter can be cleaned up in the next several years, the expert argues. The work consists in finding hot spots in terms of increased radiation, taking off the top layer of the soil, in other words, “taking down some of the radioactivity near the surface and on the surface” and rehabilitating that exclusion zone.

The reactor itself is by far “the most difficult issue,” Mr, Drolet states. Each of the three damaged reactors has two main areas of broken fuel: in the spent fuel base, which is up high, and the reactor core. “Slowly and identically they have to remove that fuel, some of it damaged, some of it whole”, using the robotic equipment to a great extent, and move it off site to the repository. Only once the excessive fuel is removed can they move to what the expert calls “nitty gritty of decommissioning” of the reactors themselves, which might span for another decade, before the engineers could turn the site to the so-called brown field condition. As compared to the green field condition, it means the area is safe, clean and cannot be reused, the expert concludes.
 
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