Javier Milei has been elected president of Argentina

[Puma]

Javier Milei's link with Israel: a trip before taking office and the idea of moving the embassy to Jerusalem

The new president-elect, Javier Milei, said he will make a "spiritual" trip to the United States and then to Israel before taking office on December 10.

The libertarian economist, who defeated the candidate of Unión por la Patria, Sergio Massa, on Sunday in the ballot, declared to Radio Mitre that his first trip will be "in these days", before he formally takes office as head of the Argentine government, and "will be to the United States" to visit some rabbis who are friends of his.

During the electoral campaign, Milei visited with his sister Karina in New York "El Ohel", a place that houses the tomb of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, better known as "the Rebbe of Lubavitch", seventh leader of the Hasidic dynasty who died in 1994. He was seen wearing a kippah and with a copy of the Torah under his arm.

Milei promised to move the Argentine embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, as former U.S. President Donald Trump did during his term of office in the framework of the 70th anniversary of the creation of the State of Israel.

El vínculo de Javier Milei con Israel: un viaje antes de asumir y la idea de mudar la embajada a Jerusalén

El mandatario electo anunció que viajará a Estados Unidos y luego a Israel; quiere seguir los pasos de Donald Trump y trasladar la embajada argentina de Tel Aviv a la capital del país

www.lanacion.com.ar

Schneerson has been believed by some of his followers to be the Messiah... He was the leader of the esoteric cult Chabad Lubabich and Hardal, which some call ultra-orthodox or "radical religious Zionism".

 

[Mari]

Argentina Risking $4Bln Per Month in Trade With China, Brazil by Potentially Halting Ties

The potential suspension of Argentina's cooperation with China and Brazil would put at risk its $4.2 billion-a-month on average trade with the two countries.

sputnikglobe.com

Argentina Risking $4Bln Per Month in Trade With China, Brazil by Potentially Halting Ties​

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The potential suspension of Argentina's cooperation with China and Brazil would put at risk its $4.2 billion-a-month on average trade with the two countries, Sputnik calculated on Monday based on data from the Argentine statistical service.​

On Sunday, far-right politician Javier Milei of La Libertad Avanza alliance won the runoff of the presidential election in Argentina. During the presidential campaign, Milei spoke against joining BRICS and cooperating with China, Brazil and Russia, and advocated a foreign policy oriented toward Israel and the United States.

Brazil became Argentina's largest trading partner in January-September 2023, data shows. During this period, Argentina supplied its neighbor with $8.9 billion worth of goods and purchased $14.1 billion worth of goods from it, which brings Argentina's trade deficit with Brazil to $5.2 billion.

China supplied Argentina with $11 billion worth of goods and purchased from it $3.96 billion worth of goods, resulting in a $7 billion trade balance in China's favor.

Argentina's combined trade with Brazil and China in the first nine months of 2023 amounted to $38 billion, or $4.2 billion per month.

The United States is the third largest trade partner of Argentina: US exports to the country amount to $3.97 billion and imports to $6.9 billion. Argentina also has a trade deficit with the US that amounts to $3 billion.

At the same time, commodity flows with China, Brazil and the United States are not interchangeable.

While Brazil imports mainly petroleum products, oil and grain, and China imports mainly meat, grain and soy, the United States imports oil, precious metals and aluminum. The situation is similar with Argentina's imports: while Brazil mainly supplies soy, automobiles and electricity, and China various equipment, the US supplies liquefied natural gas, diesel and coal, the statistical data shows.

Argentina won’t join BRICS – newly elected president

Argentina will not join BRICS, a senior economic advisor to Javier Milei, the Argentinian president-elect, said

swentr.site

Argentina won’t join BRICS – newly elected president​

Argentina is not planning to become a member of BRICS on January 1, Diana Mondino, senior economic adviser to the country’s president-elect, Javier Milei, told Sputnik Brazil on Monday.

The invitation to join BRICS was approved in August and extended to Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. The current alliance consists of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

“I don't know why there is so much interest around BRICS,” Mondino said, adding that it's unclear how joining the group would benefit Argentina.

The candidate for Argentine foreign minister also said that the country’s government will “analyze” if joining the organization promises advantages.

Milei, who beat Economy Minister Sergio Massa in Sunday’s presidential runoff, had previously voiced opposition to joining BRICS. He has also expressed marked reluctance to support economic ties with China and Brazil while planning to work toward economic rapprochement with the US and Israel.


“I’m not going to push for deals with communists because they don't respect the basic parameters of free trade, freedom, and democracy; it’s geopolitics,” Milei said in August, adding that “some countries are not along those lines.”

At the same time, the president-to-be pledged not to interfere with the country’s businesses that are dealing with the BRICS countries. He has also vowed to “dollarize” the Argentinian economy.

Joining the BRICS group was viewed as a chance to open up a “new scenario” for Argentina, outgoing President Alberto Fernandez said back in August after accepting the invitation.

The South American nation is currently struggling with the worst economic crisis in decades. Inflation surged 60% over the past year alone. The severely devalued peso forced the country’s government to refinance its $44 billion debt to the IMF.

 

[Ketone Cop]

Looking at all these governments around the world and their elections over these last several years, and then seeing almost all of them renege on their promises and, in fact, do the REVERSE of what they promised to do - and I'm looking at the USA, Italy, England, Brazil, Argentina and many others since even before 2016 - the single unifying theory of everything I personally see, is that there can't be a one world government and a one world currency as long as there are still functioning individual governments. And the west at least is exhibiting that in spades.

 

[Bluegazer]

So, to Argentines, the option was.. we try the same thing we've always tried and chances are we're going to get the same, or continue to get worse.. Or, we at least give this guy who seems confident enough, a shot.. and they went for that option.

Wait. Yes it's true that people here are desperate but that's not the whole story. The analysis falls short if you don't have the details. Not only politically, but sociologically, and how people's heads have changed in the last 20 years.

The first thing to take into account, and this is global not only in Argentina, is the problem of not paying attention to reality, and that the level of political discussion in the masses has become a soccer game.

In fact if you analyze the speeches of the candidates they make soccer analogies that have little in common. It happened with former president Macri, and it happened with Milei. Only that the latter not only used sports analogies, but other rather macabre ones that make you wonder if this guy wasn't made something as a child other than having a dysfunctional family.

In one of his statements he said: The State is the pedophile in the kindergarten, with the children chained and bathed in Vaseline.
Milei is full of such comparisons. I can neither affirm nor deny, but it seems to me that something very bad has happened to this man.

Ok, back to the topic. With the sociological analysis here talking to neighbors and other friends of my family (yesterday we had some long time friends visit us) My mom's friend, practically had no idea and didn't know who is who in the political arena. She said clearly: I just don't watch TV anymore.

Now it goes without saying that TV is full of garbage, but I believe that no one here fails to inform themselves about the issues of reality and not for that reason one buy or let your head be filled with garbage.

What I am pointing out is that she was some how disconnected from reality and only picked up small fragments of information which was apparently enough for her to have an opinion. My mom told her that this was not enough and that she has to put all the pieces of the puzzle together.

The same goes for the neighbors. In a brief exchange, my father was talking to one of them, and this neighbor said to him: I am so tired from work that I don't want to know anything more and I don't inform myself.

It was not in those exact words but I think it is understandable what is happening.

The other point and here it doesn't matter if you are a progressive, a woke or declare yourself a conservative. The drive for the immediate (and again this is a global effect, and of the signs of the times) people think about satisfying their most hedonistic and narcissistic needs. There was a somewhat recurring meme during the campaign and before that among "libertarians" who wanted a change in the economy to buy their longed-for graphics card to play video games and be able to buy the games on steam. And that is just one example of many.

I had already talked about those who surround Milei, such as Congresswoman Lemoine. But we can talk about another character and his very bad examples of life. In this case, Ramiro Marra, who said: First advice: don't be independent, live with them, they are your parents. They decided that you should come into the world because maybe they were bored. Let them pay that cost. Let them finance you. (The Jordan Peterson of a few years ago would have dedicated a few words to this boy).

Now to politics and economics. Here there are many people in these areas who have good ideas and solutions, have a geopolitical analysis of reality that I assure you has a 90% accuracy in their analysis and estimates, and that even appearing in the media and explaining, are ignored (because it does not suit them of course) to the political-economic structure of the country.

One of them is Guillermo Moreno, a doctrinaire Peronist. He worked as Secretary of Commerce in previous governments, those who have a good memory know that he did a very good job in the internal economic affairs of the country. But he is only one example of many.

And there are solutions. There always are. Among the many conversations among true patriots and nationalists one is simply to return to the gold standard. Get rid of the dollar. The country has natural resources that allow it, but they are always exploited and in the hands of foreigners. This has been the case since the day Argentina became independent. But be careful, please, and I say this to all of you, do not believe the story that Argentina in 1920 was a world power. It is a complete fallacy. You can be sitting on a mountain of gold, and still be poor if you have a population relegated to a quasi-feudal status, a navel-gazing oligarchy, and an incomplete bourgeoisie with no industrial development and little nationalism.

If you see those videos from those years, where they show you a thriving and powerful Argentina. Well, they only show you the portion of that landowning oligarchy and how that wealth was only developed and concentrated in Buenos Aires. The rest of the country abandoned to its fate.

Peronism wanted to change that, and that is why it has (or had) so much presence in people's minds. But in recent years it was infiltrated by social democracy. The same thing that you can observe in other countries and the surrounding wokism. Peronism requires another separate talk, but I have to mention it because since it emerged it was a determining movement for Argentine history in the last 70 years.

The summary is that here people, as in many parts of the world, gray matter is a scarce commodity due to a multitude of factors. Does it sound like I'm calling my compatriots idiots? Well yes. Because? Because the root of the word idiot qualifies perfectly:

“Idiot” ( Ιδιωτης), coming from the word “Idios” ( meaning “self”) meant a “ selfish” person who ignored political debates, did not partake in decision taking and generally did not participate at all in politics. As the word implies, someone who only cared for himself, “seperated from the whole”, as you put it.

In ancient democracies that was considered a pretty bad thing to do. “Idiots” were , to them, weak-minded individuals, who let their lives be controlled by others. No more than ignorant sheeple.

 

[Puma]

Elect and regret...

Meet new Argentina president Javier Milei.
Another clown similar to Zelensky.
He embodies the emotional manipulation of Western style democracies, a system of showmanship, a system of "elect and regret".
Manipulation at the emotional level and never any accountability whatsoever.

Why do you think Russians, Chinese or other people in the global south don't want this ?
The West has become the laughingstock of the rest of the World, its self proclaimed democracies are stuck in a system controlled by globalist elites, corrupt politics.
In order to control people they have lobotomized people trough Netflix, porn, drug, games and divided them over BS identities issues.

Unless people get out of their zombie/ lobotomized state, the West is doomed to collapse

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726812347019481491

 

[Puma]

The privatization of public health services in Mexico would be enough to set the country on fire. Will the average Argentinean be able to afford Big Pharma's medicines? treatments in private hospitals?

Milei says that "the best possible health system is a private health system where every Argentinean pays for its services, the best possible educational system is one where every Argentinean pays for its services? This is so, it is not debatable".

Welcome little dictator

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726978294854340731

 

[Liliea]

Argentina’s Annual Inflation Hit 143% Ahead of Election​

• Consumer prices in October rose 8.3% m/m; 142.7% y/y
• Inflation data is last major figure before Nov. 19 runoff vote

Consumer prices in Argentina rose last month at their fastest pace since the country was exiting hyperinflation more than three decades ago, highlighting the dire state of the economy ahead of Sunday’s presidential election.
Prices rose 8.3% in October on a monthly basis, a notch below September’s figure and less than the 9.45% median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg. Annual inflation accelerated to 142.7%, according to official government data published Monday, also slightly below projections.

Argentina’s Inflation Hits 143% in Final Release Before Election

Consumer prices in Argentina rose last month at their fastest pace since the country was exiting hyperinflation more than three decades ago, highlighting the dire state of the economy ahead of Sunday’s presidential election.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Bluegazer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726768546699509845

Translation:

Energy Plan of LLA's future Energy Secretary

Fuels and diesel, the idea that La Libertad Avanza (LLA) has is that fuel prices in the domestic market tend to be equal to the export parity in a short period of time, no longer than 6 months. Thus, with exchange rate unification, gasoline could return to around one dollar per liter, its historical parity.

In regulatory matters, Milei's team proposed to unify the regulatory entities -ENRE and Enargas- and to respect the contracts entered into between the State and the private sector, such as the Gas Plan, under which oil companies guarantee supply until 2028 in exchange for a fixed price and medium-term contracts with distributors and the Compañía Administradora del Mercado Mayorista Eléctrico (Cammesa), which then redirects the gas to thermal power plants.

Javier Milei's government will prioritize almost absolute deregulation.

Precisely, Cammesa would cease to play the role of intermediary and aggregator of demand, in order to free the market so that private generators such as Central Puerto, Pampa Energía, YPF Luz, Albanesi, Enel -which is withdrawing from the country-, Genneia, MSU Energy and other companies can buy fuel directly from the oil companies.

Rodríguez Chirillo also plans to eliminate export duties (retentions) for foreign sales of crude oil, which are currently taxed at 8%.

The country's energy future is great and fabulous. (sarcasm)

Same thing happen in Venezuela in 1989. The Caracazo was the result.

Caracazo - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

es.wikipedia.org

The Caracazo is the name of a series of strong protests, riots and looting in Venezuela that began on February 27, 1989 in Guarenas, spread to Caracas and ended on March 8 of the same year. They began mainly in response to the economic measures announced during the government of Carlos Andres Perez, which included an increase in gasoline and the cost of urban transportation.

This years later open the road for Hugo Chavez...

 

[mkrnhr]

Meet new Argentina president Javier Milei.
Another clown similar to Zelensky.

LOL I saw that video and didn't dare to share it. It's a mix of elenski and Yeletsin but vulgarity more biased towards elenski (and Boris Johnson if you consider the haircut). It's hard to watch, not even funny.
I saw someone commenting something like "A clown doesn't become a king, but a kingdom can become a circus".

 

[Adobe]

Pinochet wannabe? Argentina’s president-elect is not the libertarian he claims to be ​

"Javier Milei says he is a freedom-loving anarcho-capitalist, but scratch him and a fascist bleeds through"

"Then again, it’s also important to note that he is not a pure anarcho-capitalist/market libertarian as he apparently professes. If you look at his policy proposals, here are some highlights:"

​

(1) “Militarization of the institutions during the transition period,”
(2) "relaxing regulations on imprisoning people,"
(3) "building a for-profit public-private prison system,"
(4) "implementing forced labor for prisoners (such that they cannot be released without being economically productive),"
(5) "reducing the age of imputability of minors (the age at which someone is considered morally competent by law, thus able to be criminally sentenced),"
(6) "creating a national surveillance network complete with cameras and facial recognition."

Pinochet wannabe? Argentina’s president-elect is not the libertarian he claims to be

Javier Milei claims to be a freedom-loving anarchocapitalist but scratch him and a fascist bleeds through

www.rt.com

 

[taratai]

As bluegazer already mentioned Argentina is mentioned as an option for an Israeli state in Theodore Herzl's book.

I am unaware of conspiracies for an Israelite STATE in other nations, possibly you can mention other examples.

What I do know is the real Israeli influence in politics, media and business in other nations.

You see, in Poland there's a Group of People With Certain Ideological Bent (i think you know what kind ideology i mean) that also spews up the rhetoric of "Poland will be the new Israel", and they do that at least since 1990s. How Poland is being prepared to move Israelites from Israel to Poland, how Polish property is being bought out by Jews so they can take over, how almost every Polish politician is actually a Jew and is serving The Global Jewish Conspiracy (TM).
And the most recent justification they have for that supposedly happening? It's because Poland will be safe from the earth changes that will occur in the future, because of no fault lines so no earthquakes, and ores underground will provide magnetic protection from cosmic rays. (!)

That Solomon's Plan regarding Ukraine (where Zelensky and Putin supposedly secretly made a deal to resettle Ukrainians to make room for Israelites) reminds me a lot of that, and it made me realize that almost every country (at least in Europe) must have a "my country will become the New israel" (which, just like in the case of Poland, keeps shifting and getting modified as new world events unfold, and new "conspiracy theories" evolve).
And now i see the same thing for Argentina.

But why should Israel move now, after all these years of the "Israel's place is on the territory of Palestine" narrative? Why now, when they are on the verge of rebuilding the Solomon's Temple? Now, that the Israelite zealots believe that their Messiah is already in Israel? And how would Israel be able to move into all those countries at once?

So i think you can understand me not buying the idea of Israel moving anywhere. Definitely not when the US has Israel exactly where it needs it, doing exactly what it wants.

Now, individual Israelites moving elsewhere, that's another thing. In fact, i'll tell you that (shortly?) before the 7th of October attack, there was big surge of Israelites looking to buy property in Warsaw, capitol of Poland, and it was significant enough to affect the market. Poland is a country that is sympathetic towards Israel and relatively safe, so it looks like people In The Know in Israel might be looking to relocate themselves somewhere where there is no danger to them. Any country that is friendly towards Israel that doesn't have a large muslim immigrant population seems like a good candidate to move into, and Argentina fits that definition pretty well.

So, if anything, i don't think it will end up with a New Israel forming somewhere else in the world, but with another diaspora that spreads all over the world instead. It will be small pockets of Israelites forming their own little New Israels all over the place. Who knows perhaps some of them will try to create an autonomy withing the country, or even try to claim to be the New israel? ("we are the Real israel now!" "no, we are!" "no, WE are The True Israel!")

Now, sorry for this offtopic, so let's return to the current Clown World, with Javier Milei being the new clown in the neighborhood. Honk! Honk!

 

[Alejo]

The summary is that here people, as in many parts of the world, gray matter is a scarce commodity due to a multitude of factors. Does it sound like I'm calling my compatriots idiots? Well yes. Because? Because the root of the word idiot qualifies perfectly:

Well, yes while I agree that better informed individuals make better informed decisions, and that informing yourself is a task that you must invest energy into, I also think that declaring that "Milei was victorious because those who voted for him are idiots" is dangerously reductionist, and almost ideological and it misses the environment in which events take place. And it reduces things, as you say, to simply a contest, like a soccer game. No matter if it's etymologically correct, it just ends the discussion and the study, and the learning of the phenomenon and it distances human beings from one another.

Look at what happened in the US, there's no political discussion anymore, it's either you vote for my candidate or you're an irredeemable idiot, which only serves those who wish to remain in power because those who elect are busy accusing one another of idiocy.

Fernandez came in, more concerned with wokeism than the people, as the heir to Kirchner and things got worse, and he was the response of the people to Macri, who was in turn the response to Kirchner. Milei is the response to all of that not working, a bad and perhaps idiotic decision, sure, but I understand why it was made the way it was made. And given the circumstances, I believe that maybe the best response to have, to gather knowledge from what's transpiring.

On another note, I heard he's looking to private YPF, which is Argentina's state owned oil company, it's an awful idea in the long run, short term, it'll make a few people a lot of money.

 

[Bluegazer]

@Alejo No. If you are suggesting that what I am saying is reductionist, I think you have misunderstood me. In any case, I am pointing out that my compatriots are reductionists. Or why should I be the one to reduce everything to black and white, if I am precisely explaining the nuances of the situation, the variables?

If I tell you that they are the ones who internalize this as a soccer game, that makes them reductionists. Why? Because they are votes made through emotion. I am explaining with examples of my neighbors and family friends precisely that they voted without weighing things up.

The last story I heard today of an Argentinean psychologist, who was returning to the country, when he took a cab and asked the driver for whom he voted, and he said he voted for Milei, the psychologist asked him why. The driver told him to change things. And the psychologist answered: What if that change brings a war? The driver answers: Then let there be a war and break everything.

That is worse than just reductionism.

Now you tell me that: it just ends the discussion and the study, and the learning of the phenomenon and it distances human beings from one another.

Don't you think that is already happening? There are people who simply do not care about an armed conflict, a civil war. Doesn't that separate human beings?

Let's go a little deeper? Here in this forum one of the things that have been talked about the most is how there will be a change of reality where there will be a separation and there will be groups of human beings that will live in different realities and will not even see each other. How does this separation occur? What does the distance do? I repeat, we are seeing it.

And lastly, tell me the truth, does it bother you that I treat my compatriots as idiots even when I am giving the original definition of the word? Even when I am showing in as much detail as possible what happens to the people here?

Don't let the General Law use your noble character traits against you...

And if I didn't make myself clear, yes, I am pissed off.-

 

[whitecoast]

It really seems like with the marginalization of Christian Zionism in the west due to the cultural hegemony of progressive ideology, the alternative ideologies Israel and its lobbyists have to leverage to gain the tacit support of people in the West is this populist reactionism against the corruption and pathologies on display in the progressive moment (all constructive components of the movement be dammed). Whether that takes the guise of civic nationalism like Trump's or the anarcho-capitalistm of Milei, it really seems primed to exploit the swing of the pendulum backwards and to exploit the economic and social chaos of the coming times for radical restructuring of our societies a la Shock Doctrine.

I worry that in all of this we are losing sight of the real enemy, which are the banking and intelligence cartels which control the major power levers behind the scenes. I don't want to be too cynical about this, thinking this is going to be easily weaponized by 4D STS, because I don't want any blinders up for other developments in this sociocultrally volatile time. My hope is that people will continue to wake up and see where the true power centers of corruption and evil in our world are. The less suffering needed to wake up the better, not that that's my or anyone's call to make.

 

[axj]

And there are solutions. There always are. Among the many conversations among true patriots and nationalists one is simply to return to the gold standard. Get rid of the dollar. The country has natural resources that allow it, but they are always exploited and in the hands of foreigners. This has been the case since the day Argentina became independent.

The gold standard could indeed solve the money printing problem, which led to high inflation. However, whether with or without a gold standard, isn't the core problem that the government spends much more than it has? Reduction of expenses needs to happen in any case.

It is the same problem in the US right now, though on a much larger scale. The interest payments on the US federal government's debt alone are already over $1 trillion a year, which is larger than the already exorbitant US military budget. And they continue to go further into debt at an exponential rate, currently increasing federal debt by more than $1 billion every day.

Nationalizing profitable industries to increase income can work too, if done properly. Russia seems to be doing well with nationalized oil and gas production, while Venezuela had a lot of problems with it - maybe due to being smaller and less resistant against outside pressures.