Jeffrey Epstein arrested: Israeli-American pedo ring to be exposed?

[Joe]

Pam Bondi released a list of more than 300 politicians and public figures mentioned in the Epstein case

The list includes names such as Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Prince Harry, Pope John Paul II, Robert De Niro, Woody Allen, Kim Kardashian, Bruce Springsteen, Bono, Jay-Z, Beyoncé, and many others.

Officials say the names appear in a “wide variety of contexts” — ranging from direct correspondence with Epstein or his associate Ghislaine Maxwell to mentions in documents that are not directly linked to criminal conduct.

All have been put on notice (in case any of them thought they were exempt). No doubt there's lots more who haven't been mentioned yet. It's like a version of McCarthyism: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a close friend of Jeffrey Epstein".

For reference, "McCarthyism is a political practice defined by the political repression and persecution of left-wing individuals and a campaign spreading fear of communist and Soviet influence on American institutions and of Soviet espionage in the United States during the late 1940s through the 1950s"

Let's adjust that: "Epsteinism is a political practice defined by the implied threat of exposure and prosecution of "elite" individuals and a campaign spreading fear of Israeli/Deep State influence on American political and cultural figures and institutions and of Israeli espionage in the United States during first decades of the 21st century".

 

[Cosmos]

I remember Ian Carroll recently pointing out a case in the now officially published Epstein files where he is of the opinion that a picture was quite obviously faked, likely with AI. And that you should be careful with the things that are presented there.

One wonders of course how much of what can now be found “in the files“ (that the public gets now) has at least been doctored or even faked?

 

[Beau]

That's understandable, but people are apparently too naive about how the system actually works and who controls it. It's NOT the WH. I'd say Trump has no power to release any real info or bring any elite pedos to justice, hence his insistence that it's a "Dem hoax' to distract from his awesome economic success.

If that's the case, then it is Trump/Vance who are also naive for making their promises.

 

[nortkee]

IMO, the whole thing is a psyop: reveal information that contains only hints and innuendo, nothing prosecutable, no justice. At the same time, put pressure on Trump and Co., by kind of implicating them (but no 'smoking gun'), and make his base mad at him for not "releasing the files". Generally, for those paying attention to it (which isn't many, percentage-wise), the message is, 'yes, there are extremely evil people ruling over you, and there's nothing you can do about it'.

This is definitely the sense that I get. All the cries of, "Why haven't there been arrests?!" are unfortunately easily answerable: the documents, at least the ones that have been released to the general public, contain absolutely nothing but circumstantial evidence that one must view through a conspiracy cipher (i.e. code words like "pizza" and "hot dogs") to extract meaning.

 

[Yas]

Summary: while it's possible that the worst interpretations of 'the Epstein Files' could be true, keep in mind that there's actually no hard evidence for those interpretations being true, so beware being 'stampeded' by a 'rush to revolutionary action'. If this is big enough to 'take down governments', then a likely government to fall would be Trump's, which would just so happen to make Never-Trumpers - who tried everything, including murder, to stop him from returning to office - very happy... And so, it would be unwise to rule out a 'hidden hand' at work to weaponize 'the Epstein Files' against Trump.

IMO, the whole thing is a psyop: reveal information that contains only hints and innuendo, nothing prosecutable, no justice. At the same time, put pressure on Trump and Co., by kind of implicating them (but no 'smoking gun'), and make his base mad at him for not "releasing the files". Generally, for those paying attention to it (which isn't many, percentage-wise), the message is, 'yes, there are extremely evil people ruling over you, and there's nothing you can do about it'.

I understand this take and I agree that it is important to see it in that way. But I also think that it could be a miscalculation in the sense that a lot of people are also not even bothered by Trump at all because what the files show, even if there aren't smoking guns, is much bigger than Trump.

Yes, there is a clear push towards traying to direct the anger towards Trump and his team, and Trump and his team aren't helping either with their responses. Also, yes, a lot of people are falling for that and letting themselves be lead in that direction. But still, I also see a lot of people who are seeing that whatever Trump has done isn't nearly as horrible as other things that are suggested in the files, and that ultimately, the important thing is that this is madness, and it is unacceptable. Yeah, we can't do anything about it other than take more care of our children where we can and keep exposing it, but who knows what the awareness of it can bring if we consider other means by which people affect the reality in which we live. Perhaps the awareness of it and the resistance to it (even if it is only inner resistance) by more people is something important. Perhaps we can see that battle happening in other realms, as reflection of the fact that there's inner resistance on Earth.

It may be completely unrelated, of course, but, for example, this here certainly looks like a battle of sorts:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022385410698019163

I agree that being angry at Trump and his administration isn't the best option, but I think that being angry at all of this in general is a normal human reaction. We can't just see all this and say "meh, nothing to see here". One of the big challenges, perhaps, is to not allow that anger to be directed towards their agendas, which can be hard if we aren't aware of those agendas, so, again, I do think it is important to see that perspective too.

 

[palestine]

It may be completely unrelated, of course, but, for example, this here certainly looks like a battle of sorts:

The fear of global warming" becoming substituted with "Epstein"?!

Less "global warming", and more awareness on dark networks.

???

Is it the case? Is it ... good?

People are made to conflate who-does-it a little bit, but there has been a huge cold shower in terms of "what those celebrities do as a hobby".

 

[Windmill knight]

If that's the case, then it is Trump/Vance who are also naive for making their promises.

Also, he has been managing the issue in the worst possible way. From a perspective of political strategy, he could have 'rode the wave' of the demand for truth. The same files coming out now could have been released and he could have claimed credit for his campaign promise fulfilled, saying it's the most awesome and greatest display of transparency in history, etc, and people would have believed him. Meanwhile, he could have quietly censored his name and the names of close associates and family from the files or somehow downplayed any such mentions, and if anything did reach the public, he could have claimed that of course there's nothing to it, because HE is the one doing the release!

Instead, he went 'this is boring, nothing to see here, nobody cares, the economy is great, why are you people being so mean to ME?!', which of course makes people more angry and interested and his base is turning against him, now at great risk of losing the midterms.

To me, this is a confirmation that Trump is not very bright. Laura called him a 'car salesman' - I think that's about right. No, I don't buy the theory that he is cleverly using reverse psychology, because he is hurting himself in the process and because so far I've never seen him 'strategize' beyond a basic poker-style bluffing sort of thing.

It also tells me that he is desperately trying to protect someone, whether it's himself or a family member or associate. His name is under an accusation of a rape and murder of a 14 year old. I don't necessarily think he is guilty of that (in fact I lean towards he isn't) - it could well be that it's a made-up claim to hurt him. But it's in the files and it still doesn't look good. So that may worry him. Or it may be as simple as the files do show that Melania was indeed introduced to him by Epstein, making the First Lady an 'Epstein girl', which would also look very bad.

 

[Windmill knight]

But I also think that it could be a miscalculation in the sense that a lot of people are also not even bothered by Trump at all because what the files show, even if there aren't smoking guns, is much bigger than Trump.

Exactly. The release probably started as an attempt to hurt Trump, but the fact is that the documents go waaay beyond Trump himself. They show corruption at a deep systemic level, several people are mentioned from both sides of the aisle as well as several other countries, including people in royalty, politics, economics and academia - including Israel! They have very clear references to PDFfiles, rape, murder, possibly even cannibalism. Sometimes, it's not just references, it is very graphically explicit (see here for a horrible example of a description of a censored picture - warning, it is horrible). And people will not be satisfied with the DOJ claiming that there is not enough evidence in the emails alone to prosecute anyone. Because even if that's true, there IS enough to open investigations and then get the actual evidence. That's what the FBI is there for. I mean, for much less people get a police visit these days asking about some post on social media.

So now people get to live with the fact that our suspicions of being ruled by true evil have not just been confirmed but are actually worse than we thought. I do think that was a miscalculation. Surely they cannot benefit from that? After all, they have been insisting for hundreds if not thousands of years that our leaders are exemplars of decency and morality and God is on their side. It's true that people won't start a revolution with pitchforks and guillotines (though I kind of wish they did), but there may still be consequences, ranging from whatever comes from a big loss of legitimacy of the system to the Cosmos itself responding with Earth changes or comets.

As a general rule, I think that the more overt the control, the weaker or more close to decline a power structure is. Assuming they did intend for all to see that they are evil child rapists, is it a desperate attempt to scare us into submission or what? But I'm leaning towards a miscalculation, as I said.

 

[aragorn]

This is definitely the sense that I get. All the cries of, "Why haven't there been arrests?!" are unfortunately easily answerable: the documents, at least the ones that have been released to the general public, contain absolutely nothing but circumstantial evidence that one must view through a conspiracy cipher (i.e. code words like "pizza" and "hot dogs") to extract meaning.

Yes and no. As Alexander Mercouris pointed out, there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence in the files that would warrant a proper investigation with interviewing/interrogating several individuals. That is, if we'd live in a just world – which we aren't.

I've been down this pedo/SRA rabbithole several times in the past, and I want to say a couple of more things. Firstly, never has there been any indication of justice having been served in these cases – it's a constant slap in the face: we can do whatever we want and there's nothing you can do about it. So, you get very frustrated, angry and 'weird' in the head the more you look into these cases, which may be part of why they are releasing some evidence. Secondly, looking back, I have no doubt in my mind that the elite pedos do such horrific things that you can't even imagine or comprehend – it's like a race to get to 4D STS; the more evil and depraved, the better. Sure, in the Epstein enterprise, there were probably different levels of evil for different entourages – some might have got the 'light version' with some snuggling with teenage girls, and some – the innermost circle – got to do unspeakable irreversible things. Those people are not fully human anymore if you ask me, maybe they never were? So, I think it's naive to think that nothing 'that serious' was going on with the people connected to Epstein, but those things will never be realeased.

I have to admit that I have a great resistance to dive into this stuff again. When exposed enough to the evidence, you get to a point where you get physically sick and it infests your mind for the whole day. So, this time, I try to keep some distance to this.

 

[loreta]

Yes and no. As Alexander Mercouris pointed out, there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence in the files that would warrant a proper investigation with interviewing/interrogating several individuals. That is, if we'd live in a just world – which we aren't.

I've been down this pedo/SRA rabbithole several times in the past, and I want to say a couple of more things. Firstly, never has there been any indication of justice having been served in these cases – it's a constant slap in the face: we can do whatever we want and there's nothing you can do about it. So, you get very frustrated, angry and 'weird' in the head the more you look into these cases, which may be part of why they are releasing some evidence. Secondly, looking back, I have no doubt in my mind that the elite pedos do such horrific things that you can't even imagine or comprehend – it's like a race to get to 4D STS; the more evil and depraved, the better. Sure, in the Epstein enterprise, there were probably different levels of evil for different entourages – some might have got the 'light version' with some snuggling with teenage girls, and some – the innermost circle – got to do unspeakable irreversible things. Those people are not fully human anymore if you ask me, maybe they never were? So, I think it's naive to think that nothing 'that serious' was going on with the people connected to Epstein, but those things will never be realeased.

I have to admit that I have a great resistance to dive into this stuff again. When exposed enough to the evidence, you get to a point where you get physically sick and it infests your mind for the whole day. So, this time, I try to keep some distance to this.

I think these people are insects. There's a French specialist in the insect world, Jean-Henri Fabre who studied them, and reading about certain species, well, what these people are doing is very similar to them. To give you an example, there's an insect that attacks its victim and cuts off its head without killing it, allowing its babies to eat the victim alive. It's incredibly interesting to study insects, which we think are so different from us, but no... not at all. So these people who have committed and continue to commit barbaric acts are, in a way, insects—humans with the brains of insects. It's a thought I had, and it's probably a stupid one, but I wanted to say it.

 

[Joe]

If that's the case, then it is Trump/Vance who are also naive for making their promises.

Politicians always make campaign promises they can't keep, especially those who are new to politics, like Trump and co. It's just the way things are and have been for a long time.

 

[SummerLite]

Trump is the one who promised to release the files as part of his election campaign, and Vance was backing it with his own words too. That's a big reason why his base is so upset. He got people's hopes up and then turned his back on them. Why, because the Dow is up? People aren't exactly living it up around the country, but justice for elite pedos would certainly help win the midterms.

Joe: Politicians always make campaign promises they can't keep, especially those who are new to politics, like Trump and co. It's just the way things are and have been for a long time.

There's a real controversy going on about this. Some claim he never campaigned on this at his rallies but it was only discussed in interviews where the question was asked. Here's an example:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945662255477187060

 

[Joe]

but who knows what the awareness of it can bring if we consider other means by which people affect the reality in which we live. Perhaps the awareness of it and the resistance to it (even if it is only inner resistance) by more people is something important.

For sure, what I wrote doesn't exclude that. It's kind of a given that 'those with eyes to see' will see, and get a chance to really understand the nature of the people in power. But there are many of those (if not most) who will see this, understandably, as something that SOMEONE should DO something about. If they are Trump supporters, they'll expect Trump to do something about it, not realizing (at least not yet) that Trump has no chance of doing anything about it. And Trump seems to know that too, which is why, I think, he is trying to get people to dismiss the whole thing as a "Dem hoax" designed to discredit him, and calling on his supporters to just move on.

 

[Beau]

Politicians always make campaign promises they can't keep, especially those who are new to politics, like Trump and co. It's just the way things are and have been for a long time.

Can we really say Trump was new to politics in 2024? This was his second term. Sure he was out of office for 4 years, but that doesn't mean he forgot how the system works.

 

[Joe]

Can we really say Trump was new to politics in 2024? This was his second term. Sure he was out of office for 4 years, but that doesn't mean he forgot how the system works.

Seems to me that what he learned most in his 1st term was that the 'swamp' was not only not for draining, but that they had the power to completely undermine his political career and there was little he could do about it. The Epstein business and his response to it seems to be confirmation of that. He's a businessman, his main promise was to "make American great again", primarily through the use of its economic and military power (failing as both may be), and that's what he has obviously been focusing on.