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Yeah, I think it depends on the subject.
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This is why I asked if there are any members who've listened to him consistently. There was a time when I liked to listen to his shows on a regular basis, but I just got sick of him after a while and stopped a few years ago.
Over the last couple of days I've listened to half his Trump interview (I like Tump, but I can't listen to more than 90mins of him talking about how amazing he is), half the Vance interview, and the whole of the Tim Dillon show.
Politically, philosophically, morally, I can't really find any fault with Rogan in these shows and I'm a bit weirded out about it. Especially the most recent one with Tim Dillon, since Dillon is exceptionally clued-up on many things which are common knowledge here on the forum and which he throws out and talks about in a very matter-of-fact way... and Rogan never at any point pulled him up about anything and just simply nodded his head and agreed with everything and anything that Dillon said.
This isn't the Joe Rogan that I remember. Maybe it's just a problem of sample-size and the six or so hours that I've recently listened to isn't enough to show all his old warts. But this is why I asked the question to fellow members, because if the Rogan from a few years ago had been like the Rogan I've seen now, I wouldn't have stopped listening to his podcasts.
So, @Cosmos and @gottathink, would you say that you have noticed any recent changes in Rogan's demeanour or knowledge, or do you not really notice any difference in recent episodes to how he's been over the last couple of years?
I find myself sometimes learning from JRs podcasts and sometimes thinking he is way off the mark due to being uninformed. It’s pretty normal for us humans to have varying degrees of knowledge and understanding about different topics. It is very evident how valuable a functioning and communicative network like this one is in building knowledge when listening to most of the reasonably informed world. A network creates a gestalt of knowledge that can not be achieved by simply having conversations with people, feedback is an essential ingredient to knowledge growth.
JR would do better to network more and be less on his own pedestal.
JR would do better to network more and be less on his own pedestal.
Yes, I do have an inkling that there has been a shift in either his own thinking or the thinking he promotes. He has seemed to me to have started to toe some line, his open curiousity is dampened. For example when he interviewed Shawn Ryan he strongly expressed how he thinks so much of the ufo phenomenon is probably fabricated or misinterpreted. Words to that effect. Where as he used to be way more open, more inquisitive. The interview actually came across a bit like it was intended to discredit Ryan. Shawn Ryan has covered all sorts of topics and he doesn’t shy away from challenging ones. Rogan seems to have become shy.
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I think the answer is basically that Rogan has changed somewhat and learned a number of things over the years. As many people do. As far as I know he reads a lot too, so that might play a significant role as well.
Still though he has quite a number on faults and blind spots as discussed on this thread (like drug use) and often he reminds me of many ordinary people who seem to be able to hit the nail on the head on many things while little seems to really “stick“ while they have a hard time seeing contradictions and a hard time connecting dots over many ideas/areas. Best way to describe it is maybe a kind of “schizophrenic“ way many people in our society have been programmed to think.
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I listen to him consistently. You need to be on your toes with him - he's open minded but has a few blind spots (similar to anyone really).
He believes technology is the answer to everything and could explain some of the weirder stuff we see that we'd attribute to 4D. Essentially 4D Beings and 4D reality is a technological artefact as opposed to a fundamental nature of reality which supersedes our version of reality.
He's of course very open to psychedelics.
Etc
So depends on the subject.
Ps, he doesn't read a lot (he wouldn't have the time!!)... He listens to audiobooks and podcasts.
Even if that should be the case I think he listens to a lot of audiobooks. Which is a form of reading too that some people prefer.
I think one of his biggest blind spots is his materialism. A lot of his flaws flow from there. This is less apparent on some issues than on others, but his mind seems to default to down to earth, "scientific" and psychological explanations. He just can't think in terms of religion, higher realities, relationship with the divine, and so on. Hence he can be very shallow and boneheaded. Like how he screwed up the golden opportunity to talk about UFOs with Trump! But I still like his interview style, he has a knack for bringing out interesting things in his guests in a very natural way.
As to why he might have changed for the better recently, maybe there is some effect of the Wave, in that he has aligned himself with the forces of "good" if you will, i.e. Trump's "dream team". Notice how Trump looks very good and energetic, and frankly he makes more sense these days than before. (Thinking about it, Rogan too actually looks better than some time ago where I thought damn, he must be stoned all the time, as horrible as he looks.)
Contrast that with Kamala and Joe Biden who got zombified fast. Something has literally eaten their brains. Kamala probably was never the brightest crayon in the box, but I heard somewhere that she used to be very eloquent and charming (in a psycho kind of way most likely). Look at her now... So yeah, maybe such "psychic alignments" increasingly lead to changes.
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Oh yeah, Joe is definitely one of the good ones - for me, my respect for him crystallised when he broadcasted to the world that he took Ivermectin to get over Covid back in 2021/2022 or thereabouts.
I would say that on his blind spots, it really does come down to whether he has the right network around him to challenge him or ground some of his thinking. Given he's in the higher echelons of society I'd hazard the guess that materialism would still rein supreme but despite that, he can do good work. I don't think you need to accept hyperdimensional reality and some of these finer / fundamental points in order to do good.
I do think he's quite grounded and has a lot of common sense. He is drawn to mystical experiences but thinks these can only come from psychedelics.
To clarify, when I said he listens to audio books, I didn't mean this in a negative sense. I was only saying what he said - it's practical as he can listen whilst doing other things. You can't really read and do other things at the same time! I listen to audio books as well e.g. if on walks or lying down etc so nothing wrong with podcasts or audio books from my perspective.
I would say that on his blind spots, it really does come down to whether he has the right network around him to challenge him or ground some of his thinking. Given he's in the higher echelons of society I'd hazard the guess that materialism would still rein supreme but despite that, he can do good work. I don't think you need to accept hyperdimensional reality and some of these finer / fundamental points in order to do good.
I do think he's quite grounded and has a lot of common sense. He is drawn to mystical experiences but thinks these can only come from psychedelics.
To clarify, when I said he listens to audio books, I didn't mean this in a negative sense. I was only saying what he said - it's practical as he can listen whilst doing other things. You can't really read and do other things at the same time! I listen to audio books as well e.g. if on walks or lying down etc so nothing wrong with podcasts or audio books from my perspective.
I agree, and I actually think he is retreating into materialism more now than he used to. It’s like he is recoiling from the evidence of a hyper dimensional reality that some of his guests in the past year have confronted him with. It’s too much of a push for him to accept it enough to be curious about it. Perhaps on other topics he is applying a more informed critical appraisal.
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His argument always comes back to all these weird and wonderful things can be explained by mastery of technology.
To us it'd look like magic or whatever because we haven't reached that level of technological mastery (but we will thanks to people like Musk and AI as well!
).It's a big blindspot.
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I've noticed that too. Like here he mentions how he sees sentient AI as the next step in evolution, and how it could become God.His argument always comes back to all these weird and wonderful things can be explained by mastery of technology.
To us it'd look like magic or whatever because we haven't reached that level of technological mastery (but we will thanks to people like Musk and AI as well!
It's a big blindspot.
From episode 2138 with Tucker Carlson
Tucker pushed back somewhat on this narrative though, as well as the theory of Darwinian evolution.
If you'd like to listen to something while doing something else the following podcast with Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson is pretty interesting. It has been a surprise to discover that Mel is well versed in different topics we've discussed on the forum such as ivermectin, hyperbaric chamber, neuroplasticity and other arguments. Definitely recommend watching it:
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Thanks for mentioning this interview, Andrian.
Interesting to know that Mel has had several concussions during his life, beginning from his rugby playing years, and in his own words, ended up living in the "animal brain" (in constant fight or flight state) for a long time (39:36 onwards on the video). He eventually went to see Dr. Daniel Amen at his clinic to have a SPECT scan taken. The doc was taken aback by the results, and said that Mel had the worst case of PTSD he had ever seen.
Mel was then prescribed HBOT, along with omega 3s and vitamin B complex. He had to take 40 sessions in the chamber, making sure to have at least 2-3 dives a week (probably at 2.0 ATA or higher). That recipe fixed his brain.
There was also talk about the movies Mel has directed, and Joe was particularly impressed by "Apocalypto" (2006). I remember seeing it at the cinema and being blown away by it too. Although violent, it was just a masterfully made movie, taking place in an extraordinary setting (during the decline of the Mayan culture).
In my opinion, "Hacksaw Ridge" (2016) was nearly as strong a movie as Apocalypto. I went to see it blind, not knowing anything about it beforehand, and was surprised to learn that it was based on a true story, as they showed documentary material of the real main character in the end. I thought it was a moving way to close the movie. (An anecdote about the film: my mother doesn't like violent or war movies at all, but to my amazement, she had watched Hacksaw Ridge with my father, and told me afterwards that it was an excellent film. She had appreciated the "human element" of the movie and the pacifist attitude of the main character.)
Mel's latest film is coming out this month (Flight Risk), and judging by the early reviews, it appears to be an entertaining piece of work. Apparently, he will start filming the sequel to the Passion of the Christ, titled "The Resurrection of the Christ" next year. It sounds pretty ambitious, depicting Heaven, Hell, the falling of the angels, earthly happenings etc., in a non-linear storytelling. (It took several years to get the script ready.) Mel commented that to be able to tackle such a profound project, he will have to prepare as if he was getting ready for a "fight", spiritually speaking as well. Hopefully he knocks it out of the park.
(I knew he is a devout catholic, and doesn't believe in evolution (he's right with that), but it was surprising to hear him thinking that humans were created only 8000 years ago, so he seems to take the teachings quite literally. I guess it's bound to limit his worldview somewhat.)
A side note: I'm sure Mel is aware of Hollywood's dark side (satanism, pedophiles etc.), but he can't understandably "spill the beans" openly. However, he gave some vague hints in an interview from 1998 (about 24 mins). There are a couple of short clips from it, which collect the main points he made (the second one is a longer take on the Christopher Walken encounter):
(About Christopher Walken: it's funny when others do imitations of him, but as a person and actor, there is something "unnerving" and creepy about him, in my opinion also.)
In another interview (at 17:00-19:00), it was mentioned that after breaking through into Hollywood in a big way after Mad Max 2 (1981), Mel took two years off and bought a cattle ranch. He learned to manage it, grew his own vegetables, and so forth. Perhaps after learning about the depravity of Hollywood, he had to leave the place, collect himself and regroup.
