Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

[Nienna]

Yep, they are pushing hard in many western countries (also in germany) to make pedophilia not only an acceptable thing but legally not punishable. In fact it is globally pushed. I think that this is partly the driving force behind this gender insanity. They even try relentlessly to educate the children and youth themselves, into thinking in that direction in schools (no kidding!). Without much resistance and in fact a lot of support and ignorance instead... One can only imagine what the next generation will do (and will become) after this "education" has gone into full swing. We are in the middle of it and it doesn't look good.

This push of theirs is incredible to witness. It's sickening how people can even act like this is up for debate and that the 'consensus is not in'. This universal taboo of normal people, though universally practiced by sickos, is pretty much the last moral barrier for them to break. If they succeed and seemingly normal people start to accept pedophilia as being just a part of the sexuality spectrum, it's all over for humanity. The comets won't be able to come fast enough.

I have to say that this is really sending chills down my spine!

 

[Beau]

This push of theirs is incredible to witness. It's sickening how people can even act like this is up for debate and that the 'consensus is not in'. This universal taboo of normal people, though universally practiced by sickos, is pretty much the last moral barrier for them to break. If they succeed and seemingly normal people start to accept pedophilia as being just a part of the sexuality spectrum, it's all over for humanity. The comets won't be able to come fast enough.

There is also the recent legalization of child prostitution in California, apparently to help victims of prostitution who are forced into sex work by not putting them in jail and instead getting them help. It seems sensible, but the idea that it's not against the law for a child to sell their body for sex in California just sounds wrong, and possibly linked to the above pedophilia issue.

 

[PerfectCircle]

These things surely go on my nerves.
The BS level is unbelievable, I don't know how to stay calm to this, it's too disgusting.

 

[Windmill knight]

This push of theirs is incredible to witness. It's sickening how people can even act like this is up for debate and that the 'consensus is not in'. This universal taboo of normal people, though universally practiced by sickos, is pretty much the last moral barrier for them to break. If they succeed and seemingly normal people start to accept pedophilia as being just a part of the sexuality spectrum, it's all over for humanity. The comets won't be able to come fast enough.

There is also the recent legalization of child prostitution in California, apparently to help victims of prostitution who are forced into sex work by not putting them in jail and instead getting them help. It seems sensible, but the idea that it's not against the law for a child to sell their body for sex in California just sounds wrong, and possibly linked to the above pedophilia issue.

Why can't it still be illegal but punishable only for the buyers and not the prostitutes? Or to put it differently, accepting money for sex is not illegal but paying money for it is. It means recognizing that the prostitues are the victims. That's been done in other countries, I believe.

Rebel Media, again. About a FOX tv show trailer wiped out from the whole internet, Salon's article and interview with a 'well-meaning pedophile, and why it's the Left who defends and promotes that insanity. Oh, and after "I, Psychopath", now we apparently have also "I, Pedophile" documentary.

How the Left pushes pedophilia
Faith Goldy of TheRebel.media looks at the latest outrageous attempt by Hollywood liberals to sexualize children.

Yikes! That's disturbing.

"...The marriage between pedophiles and the Left is born of the moral relativism that underpins the radical left-wing thought..."

That's interesting, cause I always thought of myself as leaning towards the 'left', but generally against moral relativism. The point she makes about how the 'left' is underpinned by it confirms to me that categories like 'left' and 'right' have lost all their meaning nowadays.

 

[Voyageur]

Rebel Media, again. About a FOX tv show trailer wiped out from the whole internet, Salon's article and interview with a 'well-meaning pedophile, and why it's the Left who defends and promotes that insanity. Oh, and after "I, Psychopath", now we apparently have also "I, Pedophile" documentary.

How the Left pushes pedophilia
Faith Goldy of TheRebel.media looks at the latest outrageous attempt by Hollywood liberals to sexualize children.

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"...The marriage between pedophiles and the Left is born of the moral relativism that underpins the radical left-wing thought..."

Concerning what she was saying about this guy, Ben Leven (Ontario, Canada), who was prosecuted for child pornography. I was astounded to hear her say that he was also responsible for the sex education curriculum in Ontario from grades 1 to 8 - still being taught.

The host said the media shied away from the Ben Leven story originally, by the sounds of it.

This Bill 16 amendments in Canada, seems to contain a sly framework for future acceptance of 'anything goes,' and for the networks involved in this pedophilia/pornography rackets and their customers (many high up) who have there computers loaded with this depravity, they will welcome this change. This all seems to be happening under everyone's nose, embedded in law structure, and by the time TV shows (as shown in this clip) make their rounds, societal ponerization among the populations will be more set.

Yep, they are pushing hard in many western countries (also in germany) to make pedophilia not only an acceptable thing but legally not punishable. In fact it is globally pushed. I think that this is partly the driving force behind this gender insanity. They even try relentlessly to educate the children and youth themselves, into thinking in that direction in schools (no kidding!). Without much resistance and in fact a lot of support and ignorance instead... One can only imagine what the next generation will do (and will become) after this "education" has gone into full swing. We are in the middle of it and it doesn't look good.

This push of theirs is incredible to witness. It's sickening how people can even act like this is up for debate and that the 'consensus is not in'. This universal taboo of normal people, though universally practiced by sickos, is pretty much the last moral barrier for them to break. If they succeed and seemingly normal people start to accept pedophilia as being just a part of the sexuality spectrum, it's all over for humanity. The comets won't be able to come fast enough.

I have to say that this is really sending chills down my spine!

What a living hell.

 

[Beau]

There is also the recent legalization of child prostitution in California, apparently to help victims of prostitution who are forced into sex work by not putting them in jail and instead getting them help. It seems sensible, but the idea that it's not against the law for a child to sell their body for sex in California just sounds wrong, and possibly linked to the above pedophilia issue.

Why can't it still be illegal but punishable only for the buyers and not the prostitutes? Or to put it differently, accepting money for sex is not illegal but paying money for it is. It means recognizing that the prostitues are the victims. That's been done in other countries, I believe.

That's pretty much what the new law does. It doesn't make it legal for anyone to solicit prostitution, underage or not. That's the argument for the law. Certainly the headline looks bad, but it depends on the application. If an underage prostitute is allowed to continue working as a prostitute because of this law, then it would seem that the law doesn't really do any good. It's similar to arguments for legalizing all hard drugs and instead working on rehabilitating them. But the state likely would have to forcefully intervene in a lot of cases, and that's where the rubber hits the road. Do they do that?

 

[Cyre2067]

4chan users are now trolling SJWs with the invention of 'clovergender' which is supposedly 'children trapped in the body of adults' in order to include pedophiles under the LGBTQIA+ blanket.
(_https://unicornbooty.com/clovergender-sick-new-attack-lgbt-community/)

It's weird because 1.) we saw that coming but 2.) it's a troll.

The tinfoil hat-wearing part of my mind is wondering if it was some sort of psyop to test the waters for seeing if this 'gender is a social construct' bs could be used to legitimize pedophilia.

 

[Windmill knight]

There is also the recent legalization of child prostitution in California, apparently to help victims of prostitution who are forced into sex work by not putting them in jail and instead getting them help. It seems sensible, but the idea that it's not against the law for a child to sell their body for sex in California just sounds wrong, and possibly linked to the above pedophilia issue.

Why can't it still be illegal but punishable only for the buyers and not the prostitutes? Or to put it differently, accepting money for sex is not illegal but paying money for it is. It means recognizing that the prostitues are the victims. That's been done in other countries, I believe.

That's pretty much what the new law does. It doesn't make it legal for anyone to solicit prostitution, underage or not. That's the argument for the law. Certainly the headline looks bad, but it depends on the application. If an underage prostitute is allowed to continue working as a prostitute because of this law, then it would seem that the law doesn't really do any good. It's similar to arguments for legalizing all hard drugs and instead working on rehabilitating them. But the state likely would have to forcefully intervene in a lot of cases, and that's where the rubber hits the road. Do they do that?

I see. Ideally, they should intervene in all cases of prostitution, for the purpose of saving the victims (the prostitutes) from their situation, I think. With priority for underage prostitution. It's just that with such a law they wouldn't put them into prison for that; they would do something entirely different with them, hopefully something that is actually helpful. Pimps should go to jail for sure as well as traffickers; buyers should also face some sort of punishment or penalty. I'm coming from the assumption that no one, including adults, is a prostitute because that is what they 'want' in life - it's not like it's a 'beautiful vocation'; it's a last resort at best and something you have been forced to do (i.e. enslaved) at worst. The headline sure sounds really bad, but depending on what the law actually says and how they go about it, it may turn out to be simply about not punishing the victim, which is a good thing.

 

[happyliza]

The world has sunk to such utter depravity - it sure is spine chilling to say the very least.

The snowflake millennials are already so zombified the future of this planet is purely frightening. The corrupt and twisted psychos at the helm of a runaway train of their creation.

I am sure none of us could possibly imagine in our worst nightmares just what we are witnessing today, let alone to where it would inevitably lead. Few sane people around now.

That only leaves the inevitable environmental cleansing.

The only miracle being a massive clear out by Trump, Putin and pos China combined etc. Though could that happen soon enough with something so deadly entrenched and the diversions and mobile selfie brigade leading people to deeper and deeper sleep and disassociation.

The filth we are all having to fight now is getting exponentially worse - together with the weather!!

'Help is on its way' seems to have left the building! I have the distinct feeling we will all be much looking forward to the next C's session shortly after the 20th, just to maintain our own sanity, in this X-rated 'movie' called 'life'!!

 

[whitecoast]

There is also the recent legalization of child prostitution in California, apparently to help victims of prostitution who are forced into sex work by not putting them in jail and instead getting them help. It seems sensible, but the idea that it's not against the law for a child to sell their body for sex in California just sounds wrong, and possibly linked to the above pedophilia issue.

Why can't it still be illegal but punishable only for the buyers and not the prostitutes? Or to put it differently, accepting money for sex is not illegal but paying money for it is. It means recognizing that the prostitues are the victims. That's been done in other countries, I believe.

That's pretty much what the new law does. It doesn't make it legal for anyone to solicit prostitution, underage or not. That's the argument for the law. Certainly the headline looks bad, but it depends on the application. If an underage prostitute is allowed to continue working as a prostitute because of this law, then it would seem that the law doesn't really do any good. It's similar to arguments for legalizing all hard drugs and instead working on rehabilitating them. But the state likely would have to forcefully intervene in a lot of cases, and that's where the rubber hits the road. Do they do that?

I know that a similar law exists for prostitution in Sweden and other Nordic countries as well; in these countries it is legal to sell sex but illegal to buy it. It appears to have had some success in reducing prostitution, although the on-the-ground changes in working conditions for women forced into prostitution either through coercion or through economic difficulties is much less cut-and-dry.

_https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/15/world/swedish-prostitution-law-targets-buyers-but-some-say-it-hurts-sellers.html?_r=0

Sweden’s pioneering law criminalizing the purchase of sex while allowing its sale — putting the criminal burden on the buyer, not the prostitute, while providing more assistance to women who want to stop selling sex — has been considered a success and a model for other countries since it was introduced in 1999. A study issued Friday by a government agency in Stockholm found that street prostitution had been cut by more than half since 1995 and that the number of men admitting to having purchased sex was down more than 40 percent.


The findings were consistent with an official report completed by the Swedish government in 2010, which concluded that the law had reduced trafficking and transformed attitudes toward buying sex.

Norway and Iceland adopted legislation similar to Sweden’s in 2009, and leading British politicians have called for the same. Last year, the European Parliament resolved to “reduce the demand for prostitution by punishing the clients.” Sweden itself is considering extending its law to make it a crime for Swedish citizens to buy sex abroad.


But as Sweden assesses the lessons of its approach, it continues to grapple with issues that could limit progress in reducing prostitution and sex trafficking, including the effects of technology on the market for sex and the rights of prostitutes themselves.


A review of research on the legislation that the Swedish Association for Sexuality Education commissioned from Malmo University found that it was unclear to what extent mobile phones and the Internet, rather than the law, may have accelerated the reduction in street prostitution by bringing buyers and sellers together electronically.


The stigma against prostitutes remains widespread, the review also found, making it difficult for women to get help from social services and the police, and stoking their fear of eviction or loss of custody of their children.


The law is forcing women who sell sex into more dangerous situations, it said, arguing that transactions have become faster and more furtive because men are afraid of the police, leading women to jump into cars without first checking if the driver is drunk, high or otherwise threatening. And the number of Swedes in favor of a ban on the sale of sex as well as its purchase appears to have grown.


The Swedish Association for Sexuality Education — known by its Swedish initials, R.F.S.U. — said the results of the research review raised questions about the law’s effectiveness, as well as its impact on prostitutes and on women like Daniella seeking to leave prostitution. The group said in February that it was “far from obvious that the legislation had had the intended effect.”


It said the law had increased stigma and discrimination, putting women who sell sex “in an even more precarious position,” and should be changed to better protect their rights.


Kristina Ljungros, the group’s president, said she opposed legalizing the purchase of sex, as Germany and the Netherlands have done. Instead, she said, her group wants to open a discussion about what it considers the unintended consequences of Sweden’s law.


“Some people selling sex report that it is very hard to find a social service that will help women unless they stop selling sex,” Ms. Ljungros said. “I think we need more of a harm reduction perspective that would protect people selling sex and their rights in a better way.”

Like Windmill knight said, this California law may help in some ways, but the entire operation of eliminating child prostitution and trafficking needs a comprehensive approach. I think the evidence of the similar law in Sweden also points to that conclusion.

 

[bjorb]

Pink highways for women. Men must remain on their own 'mad max' fury road lanes. Every gender should have their own highway in the name of social justice.

UK Insurance Company Proposes Gender-Split Traffic Lanes for Social Justice
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/01/14/uk-insurance-company-proposes-gender-split-traffic-lanes-social-justice/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostShare&utm_campaign=TT

n the name of equality, justice and safe spaces, a car insurance firm in the United Kingdom is advocating for the creation and designation of gender split roadways to give women their own lanes and separate infrastructure in order to avoid the perils of sharing the road with men.

Shiela’s Wheels, a car and personal theft insurance company which bills itself as having a ‘different spin on car insurance,’ has assembled a fact sheet concerning the statistical differences between men and women in regards to highway safety, accidents and injury reports.

Their conclusion, in short, is that women are at a greater risk of accident and injury while traveling on roads occupied by men, and that in order to correct this societal imbalance, separate, pink roadways and lanes should to be funded and created by government to segregate men and women drivers in some of the more dangerous thoroughfares in the UK.

 

[Voyageur]

Pink highways for women. Men must remain on their own 'mad max' fury road lanes. Every gender should have their own highway in the name of social justice.

UK Insurance Company Proposes Gender-Split Traffic Lanes for Social Justice
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/01/14/uk-insurance-company-proposes-gender-split-traffic-lanes-social-justice/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostShare&utm_campaign=TT

n the name of equality, justice and safe spaces, a car insurance firm in the United Kingdom is advocating for the creation and designation of gender split roadways to give women their own lanes and separate infrastructure in order to avoid the perils of sharing the road with men.

Shiela’s Wheels, a car and personal theft insurance company which bills itself as having a ‘different spin on car insurance,’ has assembled a fact sheet concerning the statistical differences between men and women in regards to highway safety, accidents and injury reports.

Their conclusion, in short, is that women are at a greater risk of accident and injury while traveling on roads occupied by men, and that in order to correct this societal imbalance, separate, pink roadways and lanes should to be funded and created by government to segregate men and women drivers in some of the more dangerous thoroughfares in the UK.

Oh, if it was only satire. As it appears not, I don't even know what to say.

 

[3DStudent]

It really seems they need a whole new Earth, not just lanes on the road. Is this what splitting realities looks like? We observe all of these ridiculous things happening and wonder how far does the madness go?

 

[Yas]

I've been trying to get more into all this subject lately because it really seems so important. I didn't realise things were so upside down already so reading this thread has been such an eye-opener for me.

This is all very fascinating and challenging for me as someone who was socialized in the die-hard liberal milieu.

It's pretty interesting for sure. I'm sure it also gives you an insight into the nature of ideology, and how easily and more or less subconsciously one can be adopted. Kind of scary when you really think about it.

My thoughts exactly. I'm am in awe by this discussion because I too was socialized in the progressive liberal postmodern milieu and plus, I'm young, so I'm among the "millenialls" age range. Since the beginning of this discussion I have been remembering different ideas taught to us at school (which was a progressive school) and also many ideas that were starting to be held by my peers and seemed a bit awkward at the time but everybody was taking them because you were supposed to agree with them if you were to be accepted as a progressive person. I always thought about this regarding these people. I'm surrounded by all these nice people who are supposedly doing a lot for others, and I admit they do some interesting stuff, yet, I always wondered why they seem to not be able to discuss topics that are labeled as "politically incorrect". So they keep themselves in the "politically correctness" by promoting ideas that are established as "good", i.e.: global warming, vegetarianism is good for the planet, inclusion, multiculturalism, equality, etc... While some of these ideas have multiple angles from which to analyse and they can have a "good side" too (OSIT), they promote the established view of them, which is the "politically correct" view... i.e: "I must be a vegetarian if I care for the environment, even though I don't really know if that's true."

Not so long ago, I had a conversation with an old leftist friend who I think keeps his mind straight still, even though he is right at the centre of one of the biggest universities' students' council and is always involved in young adults social movements and debates. We were talking about how it has become some sort of a rule that if you are to be "progressive", you ought to have a strange sexual orientation, and that if you don't have such, you are retrograde, not really liberal, or just no too self-aware to know it. This is particularly interesting because it reflects a view that is basically black and white. It's the "with me or against me" type of thinking, and that's certainly disturbing. When it comes to all sorts of minorities, you have a bunch of people driven to a fight against everyone for just about anything. I picture Quixote against imaginary windmills. And that also shows a huge level of hysteria, because people are basically living in a fantasy world and fighting fantasy enemies.

As others said in this thread, I think that the way in which Peterson addressed this issue, making it much greater than just the gender pronoun thing has prompted us to see how deep this goes. For me, we are seeing a society turn voluntarily to lalaland, and this ideology is making it right to live in a fantasy, even good, something to admire and to be proud of... you know, "just be yourself and don't listen to what others think". I think this is import too because even though there is some truth in the idea of "being oneself" it has become something exagerated where people are self-absorbed and loose any possibility of growing because they simply can't accept any criticism.

I think I don't have a lot to add to the discussion, but I wanted to share this video (I haven't seen it posted here before). It's a parody that depicts what this politically correctness is bringing to education... and how grim the future looks if this really continues to expand.

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Apart from that, I think that this quote from Political Ponerology is very relevant regarding this topic:

[quote author=Political Ponerology]Dreams of a happy and peaceful life thus gave rise to force over others, a force which depraves the mind of its user. That is why man’s dreams of happiness have not come true throughout history. This hedonistic view of “happiness” contains the seeds of misery and feed the eternal cycle whereby good times give birth to bad times, which in turn cause the suffering and mental effort which produce experience, good sense, moderation, and a certain amount of psychological knowledge, all virtues which serve to rebuild more felicitous conditions of existence.

During good times, people progressively lose sight of the need for profound reflection, introspection, knowledge of others, and an understanding of life’s complicated laws. Is it worth pondering the properties of human nature and man’s flawed personality, whether one’s own or someone else’s? Can we understand the creative meaning of suffering we have not undergone ourselves, instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the victim? Any excess mental effort seems like pointless labor if life’s joys appear to be available for the taking. A clever, liberal, and merry individual is a good sport; a more farsighted person predicting dire results becomes a wet-blanket killjoy.

Perception of the truth about the real environment, especially an understanding of the human personality and its values, ceases to be a virtue during the so-called “happy” times; thoughtful doubters are decried as meddlers who cannot leave well enough alone. This, in turn, leads to an impoverishment of psychological knowledge, the capacity of differentiating the properties of human nature and personality, and the ability to mold minds creatively. The cult of power thus supplants those mental values so essential for maintaining law and order by peaceful means. A nation’s enrichment or involution regarding its psychological world view could be considered an indicator of whether its future will be good or bad.

During “good” times, the search for truth becomes uncomfortable because it reveals inconvenient facts. It is better to think about easier and more pleasant things. Unconscious elimination of data which are, or appear to be, inexpedient gradually turns into habit, and then becomes a custom accepted by society at large. The problem is that any thought process based on such truncated information cannot possibly give rise to correct conclusions; it further leads to subconscious substitution of inconvenient premises by more convenient ones, thereby approaching the boundaries of psychopathology.

Such contented periods for one group of people – often rooted in some injustice to other people or nations - start to strangle the capacity for individual and societal consciousness; subconscious factors take over a decisive role in life. Such a society, already infected by the hysteroidal23 state, considers any perception of uncomfortable truth to be a sign of “illbreeding”. J. G. Herder’s24 iceberg is drowned in a sea of falsified unconsciousness; only the tip of the iceberg is visible above the waves of life. Catastrophe waits in the wings. In such times, the capacity for logical and disciplined thought, born of necessity during difficult times, begins to fade. When communities lose the capacity for psychological reason and moral criticism, the processes of the generation of evil are intensified at every social scale, whether individual or macrosocial, until everything reverts to “bad” times.

We already know that every society contains a certain percentage of people carrying psychological deviations caused by various inherited or acquired factors which produce anomalies in perception, thought, and character. Many such people attempt to impart meaning to their deviant lives by means of social hyperactivity. They create their own myths and ideologies of overcompensation and have the tendency to egotistically insinuate to others that their own deviant perceptions and the resulting goals and ideas are superior. [/quote]

And I think the editor's note no. 23 is relevant too:

[quote author=Political Ponerology]23 Hysteria is a diagnostic label applied to a state of mind, one of unmanageable fear or emotional excesses. Here it is being used to describe “fear of truth” or fear of thinking about unpleasant things so as to not “rock the boat” of current contentment. [Editor’s note.][/quote]

 

[Divide by Zero]

Pink highways for women. Men must remain on their own 'mad max' fury road lanes. Every gender should have their own highway in the name of social justice.

UK Insurance Company Proposes Gender-Split Traffic Lanes for Social Justice

Wow, what an idiotic reasoning. Why not make a highway for every single person? Really twisted stuff.

BTW, it reminds me of a forum debate from a while ago. Women were saying that men were worse drivers, going by the insurance records and ratings. Someone found out that it was manipulated like the anti-smoking research. More men drive than women and instead of doing a weighted average of accidents to person, creative statistics was chosen to pick otherwise. It was done by number of men having accidents vs number of women having accidents. If averaged, the risk per person was the same if you took age and location into account!

But as we see these SJW movements are based on some twisted bubble, they would scream and shout at the facts. Subjectivity at it's finest!