Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

His lack of self-consciousness with his intellect and emotions have made him a captivating figure, but his screwy politics make him an unfortunate vector for bad ideas, and we've seen this kind of thing happen with conservative thinkers before. These days it's ensnaring the classical liberal minds, who never dared to suspect the duplicitous mind of the Ultra Zionist. Jesus wept, if he only knew what we know after all these years of research.

The Cs have plenty to say on vectors, on vectoring in its many ways, and those who channel others. In one way, it might be seen that JP stepped into a vector(s) path - if so, there are candidates. Take this from Feb 2010 as a small example:

A: Sue is not a conscious agent, but is hostess to the tools of the "trade".

Q: (L) What do you mean by, "tools of the trade"?

A: Energies that vector as well as transmit and receive.

Q: (L) Is this like a physical implant?

A: Yes.

One could not say it is exactly that type of vectoring, it could be some other type of EM vector. However, one day he speaks this way and the next its like a twig suddenly snapped in his brain, separating himself from his human half while adapting the morality of people simply bent on murder, a feast, yet he is not alone by any means.

So, his last many years are there to see, his defense against one form of social pathology (think Ottawa, Toronto etc.). Then came his wife's deep illness, which interestingly she recently spoke about it in terms of meditation and visualizing, and note what she says:

According to Tammy Peterson, she began visualizing her cancer and asking why it was there for “about two hours”. At the end of the process, Tammy Peterson says she saw black smoke exit her body. The next day, Tammy Peterson went and received her surgery feeling calm due to getting in touch with her body. After her surgery was complete, it was a complete success.

JP also helped his daughter to overcome, and she helped him in return, as he too feel into deep psychotic and physical illness. And then rebounds.

JP's rebounding was seemly successful, he helped many, and yet as said of that twig, something snapped and a religious fever and black smoke got a hold of him, and it is pulling him into a dark mind place, a place that he himself has often spoken of and reminded people of the perils of their inner selves and atrocities committed, least he forget.

So, don't know, for now JP's declination of his moral compass has gone haywire, and he is lost until if possibly ever found. Perhaps he will find that vector or not, and in the mean time, he is becoming a dream of the past.

If ~10000 children among ~20000 civilians purposefully killed with countless injured, maimed, displaced can't deliver a visceral shock, I don't know what can do it. It would require a out-worldly miracle at this point.

Sadly, agree a hundred percent.
 
I wonder if his 'retraining' to keep his licence to practice has happened yet. He was going to record it and share it, but haven't heard anymore about it in a while. Who knows what that retraining might have consisted of.
 
It seems to me that he has become quite useful to the PTB, one of their main headaches is maintaining diplomatic cover for Israeli war crimes. JP might find that he has an easier ride right now.

In the fullness of time, though, he might be a lot worse off.
 
If ~10000 children among ~20000 civilians purposefully killed with countless injured, maimed, displaced can't deliver a visceral shock, I don't know what can do it. It would require a out-worldly miracle at this point.

It really is a testament to the power of programming that he's not experiencing the utter horror (and the implications) of these facts on the ground. And the great irony of it, it seems to me, is that Zionism is quite like the other mother of ideological possession in contemporary history; a strong connection to cultural Marxism he is incapable or unwilling to make at this time.

Peterson may have crystallized on the wrong foundation based on an intense struggle between 'yes' and 'no' the foundation of which is a fanatical idea. So he built his foundation on fanaticism which will halt his development. Wrong crystallization.

Right crystallization has it's basis in
understanding. A crystallization built on a rock solid understanding is solid and correct.

And according to G something that requires a lot of suffering to break down, which is why I think that for JP (and perhaps some other uninformed pundits like Victor Davis Hanson, Douglas Murray, etc.), there will be an internal hell to pay if they are committed to truth - should a Greater unveiling (of a false flag nature) become irrefutably known to them.
 
Well, I can understand the pro-Israel mindset very well, having believed in it myself at some point. It's like hypnosis: you literally don't see the suffering. Your mind is incapable of going there, of entertaining the notion that there is any merit to the Palestinian version of things. That Israel might be evil. That the whole Western civilization's historical narrative about it is wrong. Then your mind frantically looks around for things that helps you keep the hypnosis going: and lo and behold, you see a real overlap between woke stuff and Palestinian issues, sometimes the same activist groups promoting both wokeism and Palestine, using the same words and language. And boom: you have your frame of reference, and can safely dismiss all the Palestinian "propaganda" and "hyperbole" and "identity politics" and "anti-semitism" and "resentment" and file it all under "unfortunate tragedy that ultimately the Palestinians can only blame themselves for".

In most cases no pressure is even needed, and this explains the behavior of many otherwise very smart and perceptive people I've seen online falling for it.
 
If someone mugs you and kills your children, it's not "humanity" that's to blame, but the mugger and murderer, and those who condone him.
The quote above from Israel war thread reminded me of (armed) robbery event from cca 33 years ago described in Amazing Grace Ch 33. Maybe a parallel might be drawn with the discussion here of what's happened with JP and seemingly cloud of anger perceived to emanate from his (re)presentation. FWIW.

Here's the passage from AG Ch 33 where what the robbery event might have meant was assessed.
I was growing in awareness. I knew this relatively mundane incident had a deep message for me. This was a “clue” from the universe that I needed to learn something fast. If I didn’t, I was in danger. I was coming to the idea that the world around us is a very accurate mirror of what we refuse to acknowledge. No matter what happened in our lives, if we took the time and trouble to examine our thinking and our attitudes, and to compare them to the symbols of reality, we could isolate and identify the lessons pointing the way toward change. That way we would not need to experience the lesson again. It seemed to be so that it was not what we thought that created our reality, but what we ignored consciously and what our subconscious mind was observing and trying to bring to our attention.

It was clear that my “powers of subconscious manifestation” had achieved an all-time high with this one. I wasn’t making glasses and windows break any more. Now I was manifesting dramas of full materialization including human actors!

But what was it? What “doorway” was open in my life that made me vulnerable to being robbed and possibly even killed? What was I not seeing? What observation was my subconscious mind making that my conscious mind was refusing to acknowledge?

I proposed this idea to Larry and he went off on an absolute rant that I was really losing it. He said: “Do you mean to tell me that you think that whatever happens in our lives, all our experiences, are lessons?”

“Yes,” I said.

“If I walk in the room here and somebody has spilled a box of pins and I step on one of them, it’s a lesson?” he inquired contemptuously.

“Yes,” I said, less sure of my ground.

“You are suggesting that every time we have an injury or suffer an illness, or experience an event, there is something we are supposed to learn from it? It’s a ‘message?’ or a clue of some sort to a spiritual reality?”

“Yes,” I replied – certain that it was so, but unable to articulate how or why I was sure, or even how to make these interpretations of reality.

“Then if that is the case,” he said, smiling like the cat that ate the canary, “what’s wrong with YOU? Why have you experienced so much sickness?”

I believed my experiences of the past ten years had been the result of my own attitudes borne in the Fundamentalist trap of ignoring these very things: the lessons of life. I pointed out that, as soon as I had effected some changes, as soon as I had begun to be aware of things, our reality had changed.

Larry wasn’t buying it. He simply couldn’t see any causal relationship between the changes I had experienced and what had manifested in our lives. God either gave or took away, and it had nothing to do with us except, perhaps, in the context of whether or not we were “good Christians”.

Finally he said: “Well, if your theory is right, then it’s obvious. You have the problem, because I wasn’t even home when the guy broke in.” Triumphantly, he left the room.

He had a point.
 
Well, I can understand the pro-Israel mindset very well, having believed in it myself at some point. It's like hypnosis: you literally don't see the suffering. Your mind is incapable of going there, of entertaining the notion that there is any merit to the Palestinian version of things. That Israel might be evil. That the whole Western civilization's historical narrative about it is wrong. Then your mind frantically looks around for things that helps you keep the hypnosis going: and lo and behold, you see a real overlap between woke stuff and Palestinian issues, sometimes the same activist groups promoting both wokeism and Palestine, using the same words and language. And boom: you have your frame of reference, and can safely dismiss all the Palestinian "propaganda" and "hyperbole" and "identity politics" and "anti-semitism" and "resentment" and file it all under "unfortunate tragedy that ultimately the Palestinians can only blame themselves for".

In most cases no pressure is even needed, and this explains the behavior of many otherwise very smart and perceptive people I've seen online falling for it.

The atrocity porn and propaganda goes a long way to staying in hypnosis, too. If people are only getting this sort of information, it's easy to see how lost one can become:



 
Although disappointing, I understand what happened to Peterson and I'm not really surprised. I recall when I was learning about the Greek philosophers in school how mesmerizing it was to imagine these enlightened sages sitting on marble porticoes amongst the lyre music and amidst a rich mythological tradition, acting as a font of knowledge for things such as proper governance, scientific and mythical understanding, and methods of logical deduction. This was the wellspring of enlightened Western Civilization and our intellectual heritage. I had been out of school for a decade sniffing around different questions in my mind before I seriously considered the idea that Plato wasn't some sort of demigod.

Whereas this was only a small part of my education and a casual interest of mine, it seems Peterson built an entire academic career around the idea and became crystalized around an identity as a paragon and conservator of the classical Western value hierarchy. I remember a debate he was having with Sam Harris about the Bible, and Harris' argument was that since most of the Bible is demonstrably false, atheism was a more objective assessment of religion, while Peterson's main argument was that stories appeal to higher values in people and give life meaning whereas atheism can never do that and leads to a dead end. It took a while to process as they continued to talk past each other on this basic point, and I thought they were both right and they were both wrong in a way. While Peterson is right that the stories often have a moral that can appeal to a sort of higher calling, it is important to separate history from culture in order to maintain an objective focus. Peterson and the conservative intelligentsia commingle history with mythology because they are captivated with their cultural heritage and traditions to the extent that it becomes an external ideology which defines their sense of self. Harris is right insofar as this causes people to act on lies which are then used to justify atrocities that wouldn't occur in a more objective society, however saying that this proves atheism is certainly reaching a good bit on his part. My interpretation is that it is fine to take artistic license with stories in order to impart a moral, but it should be clear that it is a story or a legend, even if it is loosely based on factual events. History is much more rigorous and should only concern itself with facts that can be documented and deduced, and history itself often contains cultural morals, even though it is less entertaining than storytelling.

So Peterson's immense intellectual energy has been crystalized around the Bible as an authority on Western values and history, and until he hits rock bottom and has to refuse his "magnetic center," he will be trapped by that perception. Peterson is a bit like a focused laser which has can brilliantly illuminate an object within a concentrated area, whereas the forum has more of a "floodlight" approach which sends awareness out in many different directions. While the floodlight cannot illuminate any one area as brilliantly as the laser, the floodlight can light up an entire room where the laser does not.
Brilliant Analogy @Neil. Limited information, no matter how astute, can, in the best of circumstances, only produce limited knowledge. FWIW, JP should disappear from the limelight, and start reading sott, the wave series, FPTM, Collingwood, and more. He's way over his head in issues he has no clue about. Geeze, gimme a break, having lunch with Netanyahu? :barf: BTW, if I'm not mistaken, yahoo is Swift's description of 'brutes in human form' in Gulliver's Travels. Green Language writ large:lol:

 
Sadly, JP is at it again. He talks about different topics with Piers and later about Ukraine, then Gaza, within the last 15 minutes or so.


So according to JP, Palestinians and Hamas have suffered (at least he said that), but not at the hands of Israel - no! It was Iran and the Islamists all along! Because Israelis are incapable of doing any harm. Everyone else is guilty, but not the Jews! Also, JP would do exactly the same as Israel has been doing on this war (that is, "give them hell", literally - to women and children mostly, though he doesn't explicitly say that of course). Except that he would be careful about Israel's fall of popularity as they succeed militarily. Because you know, that's super important, Israel's image, as opposed to the 23,000 killed in Gaza and the several more displaced and starving.

I don't know why I even bother listening to him. I guess it's because I find fascinating and really hard to understand how someone who used to be so right about many topics can be so disastrously wrong about this one.

Added: Oh and he used the phrase 'hypothetical victims' again, referring to Palestinians. :nuts:
 
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I don't know why I even bother listening to him. I guess it's because I find fascinating and really hard to understand how someone who used to be so right about many topics can be so disastrously wrong about this one.

As I have no desire to watch the video, does Morgan bring up the important questions? Challenging Peterson on the genocide being conducted?
 

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