Julian Assange Discussion

Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Gonzo said:
The whole idea of trying to build up greater attention and momentum would serve Wikileaks more that the masses, although an argument could be made that the more people paying attention, the greater the uptake and spread of information.

Gonzo

Not only that, but revealing identities of those behind wikileaks is curious. Instead of being totally anonymous at every level - which it could have been - they seem to want to make a star out of Julian - a lightning rod, so to say. That's curious too and actually does not bode well.
 
Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

And now the charges are dropped:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/21/sweden.wikileaks.charge/?hpt=T2
 
Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
When Assange was eight, Claire left her husband and began seeing a musician, with whom she had another child, a boy. The relationship was tempestuous; the musician became abusive, she says, and they separated. A fight ensued over the custody of Assange’s half brother, and Claire felt threatened, fearing that the musician would take away her son. Assange recalled her saying, “Now we need to disappear,” and he lived on the run with her from the age of eleven to sixteen. When I asked him about the experience, he told me that there was evidence that the man belonged to a powerful cult called the Family—its motto was “Unseen, Unknown, and Unheard.” Some members were doctors who persuaded mothers to give up their newborn children to the cult’s leader, Anne Hamilton-Byrne. The cult had moles in government, Assange suspected, who provided the musician with leads on Claire’s whereabouts. In fact, Claire often told friends where she had gone, or hid in places where she had lived before.

What if Assange isn't telling all here? What if he really was a part of that cult, apparently run by a woman called Anne Hamilton Byrne who collected kids and dosed them with LSD.
 
Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

I'm actually surprised that I never noticed the for an anonymous organization like Wikileaks,it's rather odd to have the top guy so prominent.

Does anybody know:
When/why/How Assange became publicly know as the leader of Wikileaks? Was he outed or was it a choice?, etc.

Secondly, does anybody know if any other member of WL has been identified? Has anyone other than Assange ever given media interviews?

Is there a possibility that WL as a network of hackers is actually a myth and it is actually just a few individuals, if not one individual running a network with a website and chat forums, and other tools and toys, to make the illusion as realistic as possible?

It wouldn't be hard to do in a 2-stage approach. Once you raise awareness among the hacker community of a small group of hackers, lead by über hacker Mr. So and So, that was creating a network to leak government information, etc., a following of sympathetic hackers develops.

Heck, you could make the initial followers members of this elite-yet-benevolent group of hackers and feed them occasional issues related to building ways to secretly receive leaked documents, to have them help solve, to lead them to believe they are actually part of the movement itself, ready to put their skills to work in developping the network.

Then, through various Internet vehicles, be they email, social networking sites, instant messaging, etc., word spreads of both the noble group and it's following.

Word of this group is picked up by the disinenfranchised, various activist types (eg; anti-war, human rights, pro-democracy) and the forum fills with members.

A community is born.

Then, soon after, a news story hits the MSM about a grass roots movement, its leader, it's purpose and its intention to release some startling and controversial leaked video or documents or photos.

And the rest is history -hypothetically, of course. ;)

Gonzo
 
Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Yesterday Israel Shamir wrote the following to his egroup members. I decided to respond to him. Response follows below:

Wikileaks: The Real Stuff

By Israel Shamir

After the tremendous coup of Wikileaks, this semi-clandestine site and organisation, which had recently brought to public knowledge so many government crimes through so many hundreds of thousands of documents (with even more of the way), has predictably come under attack. Not only from Pentagon hacks, but also from various bodies we would expect to back them rather than knife them in the back.

Reporters Without Borders accused Wikileaks of being irresponsible, for having published the names of US agents in Afghanistan. This accusation reveals the true nature of these Reporters. They do not care about freedom of the press, they care about protecting American interests and American spies. Whoever is old enough to remember the revelations of Philip Agee will recognise the pattern: All of a sudden these guys, who normally do not mind murdering others, recognise their own mortality and vulnerability. This is very good. Spies and agents should be outed: it will cause them to behave responsibly.

So much for the pro-establishment line. What a pity that some of our friends in the blogosphere joined in the chorus of detractors. Theirs are familiar and respected names of the free web: F. William Engdahl, Gordon Duff, Zahir Ebrahim. They are not to be accused of collaboration with Pentagon and the CIA.

Psychologically, one understands them. Could it be that all of a sudden we got such a windfall? Is it not a bit like those emails from Nigeria offering us millions for the simple information about our bank account? A diffident man is likely to get cold feet when a beautiful girl smiles back and proposes having a drink in a pub. The Wikileaks-deniers created an elaborate conspiracy theory: these hundreds of thousands of real documents were fabricated by the CIA and offered to an innocent public.

This conspiracy argument cuts both ways: Way one, we are asked to believe that the CIA went to unbelievable expense and bother of dumping so many secret papers, including lists of their own agents, including the revelation that US nuclear-bearing bombers were up on their way to Russia on 9/11, and what not – for quite negligible gains.

The second way is much more plausible and economical: what could be easier and cheaper way to minimise damage than to claim that the stuff is fake? In his spirited defence of Wikileaks John Pilger says: “A Pentagon document states bluntly that US intelligence intends to 'fatally marginalise' Wikileaks. The preferred tactic is smear, with corporate journalists ever ready to play their part.” Alas, not only corporate journalists, but even freelancers are doing it. There is no better way to marginalize and smear than to insist that the files in question are “chickenfeed” provided by CIA or Mossad.

I know, respect and like some deniers of Wikileaks’ feats. I do not think that they are inspired by the CIA in an attempt to minimise damage, but I do think that they are committing a great error of judgment.

Let us check the deniers’ arguments. William Engdahl writes: “far from an honest leak, it is a calculated disinformation to the gain of the US and perhaps Israeli and Indian intelligence and a coverup of the US and Western role in drug trafficking out of Afghanistan.” What is his reasoning? It is 9/11. Engdahl is a true believer in 9/11 conspiracy, and the simple fact that the editor of Wikileaks Julian Assange does not subscribe to it fully and squarely is enough to dismiss him as a stooge.

His other arguments are derivatives of this position. In the documents published by Wikileaks, there are ten references to the former head of the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence agency, General (Ret) Hamid Gul; and this General Gul, according to the documents, has dealings with the Afghan Taliban. This is just a way to demonise Pakistan, says Engdahl, because Gul was critical of the official 9/11 version and claimed the attack was done by the Israeli Mossad.

In other documents it is said that Osama bin Laden is alive and kicking. This also annoys Engdahl: no lesser person than Benazir Bhutto proclaimed Osama dead.

There is a small ad hominem: Engdahl does not know Assange from Adam, and that is why he is “mysterious” (and other sinister adjectives). Assange did not express his belief in Engdahl’s favourite theory of 9/11, and that makes him non-kosher.

Engdahl (and other detractors) do not understand the way these documents emerged in the first place. The sheer volume of the leak is enormous. We of the independent web media have no resources to analyse them. This work was carried out by the New York Times and two European newspapers of record. These three papers tried to get some jewels out of this sea of raw data. Naturally, if somewhat regrettably, they fished out what was palatable for them and their readers and managers.

The New York Times found the leaks which fit its official mainstream attitude. The Guardian found quite different documents, altogether more interesting. If Global Research were to go after raw data, perhaps they would be able to find something even more exciting.

So Engdahl could say correctly: in the documents chosen and presented by the NY Times there are such and such tendencies. That would be a fair presentation.

Other arguments of Engdahl could be valid if Assange were an author of the leaked documents. However, the authors were US officials. They wrote these papers in their official capacity for other officials. It would not be even plausible that they would wink and write “we know who really did 9/11, ha-ha-ha.” They would lose their jobs the next day, if not the next hour!

It makes sense that some US officials want to continue to draw money from Obama's search. It is a small industry by now, which feeds a lot of contractors. For this reason, it is in their interest to claim they know he is around, disregarding the point whether he is alive or dead.

General Gul is not my cup of tea. He is a manipulative beast that made Afghanistan bleed. He is the guy who trapped the Soviets in the Brzezinski-designed quagmire at a huge cost for Afghans, Russians and Pakistanis. Thousands of Afghanis and Russians died because of him. All the troubles of Pakistan are direct consequences of ISI aiding and abetting the US and Saudi Arabia in their fight against the Russians and against the Afghani progressive forces, socialists and communists. Gul was godfather to the real Osama bin Laden and his mujahideen. He had a very good, even the best and most personal reason to point to any alternative culprit – to Mossad or to little green men, anybody at all, but not to his disciple Osama.

It is plausible that he plays ball with some men in Afghanistan: ISI armed and trained them even in 1980. It is hardly possible to demonise him: he is as bad as any head of any secret service from Gestapo to the CIA, and they are all evil guys, in my book.

However, this is all beside the point. Some US officials could have a jaundiced view of the old general meeting armed Afghanis, and any NY Times researchers were bound to find their documentation of this by simple search. In short, the bias – if any – is that of the NY Times, not of Wikileaks.

As for Engdahl’s ad hominem: Julian Assange is neither a writer nor an activist; he could not have been known previously. He is against the US war in Afghanistan and Pakistan; he’s got a huge catch, he wanted to deliver it to the people, and there was no alternative to mainstream media. We may be able to read a hundred documents, but we can’t even glimpse thousands, let alone hundreds of thousands. So his choice was judicious.

A second denier, young Pakistani intellectual cum American Ivy League graduate Zahir Ebrahim, writes: “The core-lies retained in the Wikileaks' disclosure is to once again reaffirm that there is a real nemesis called “Osama Bin Laden”, that the “war on terror” is real, that it is being inflicted upon the West from the Pakistan-Iran nexus, in order to re-substantiate the handoff of former President George W. Bush's clairvoyance to the Obama Administration that “If another September 11 style attack is being planned, it probably is being plotted in Pakistan, and not Afghanistan”!

Zahir makes the same mistake. The files are the reports of what US officials believe or claim to believe. I’d ask Zahir: if you were to get hold of all reports sent from and to Afghanistan, would you censor them to remove ideas and names that are not to your liking? Remember, these are not files from God Almighty, this is the kind of stuff that spooks and soldiers write, and it naturally reflects their view of the world. So it is not “core-lies”, but “core-truth”: US officials express under the stamp of “top secret” the very same views they openly espouse.

Gordon Duff is the least temperate of all. He writes: “The [Mossad’s] game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the enemy of India and the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel… Israel would have been cited for laundering drug money for the Taliban. It is in the documents. I didn’t release them. That is illegal. Nothing involving drug flights being serviced by Israeli companies was released. It was in the files. If we really want to leak things, they are out there. It can get bloody. Wikileaks is simply another ploy by the ultra powerful Israel lobby, a cheap game meant to humiliate the United States, destroy Pakistan and build a reputation for a puppet.”

It is sectarian logic, like that of Engdahl, though of a different sect. Sectarians insist on the centrality of their thesis and they hate everybody who does not sign for it on the dotted line. We have so many sects, some quite big: the 9/11 sect of the “truthers”, the Mossad-under-every-bed sect, the Holocaust revisionist sect… They have some good arguments, but they are too intolerant. As for me, I am ready to listen to their arguments, even to support their right to express their views, but I am not ready to subscribe to them. Nor would it even be possible: these sects are divided into many subsects all in disagreement with each other.

The sectarian mindset is too venomous, too restricted. Why can’t we have a chance to express our views freely without being forced to conform to a dogma? We witnessed a sectarian attack on Chomsky: why doesn't this important intellectual subscribe to the sectarians’ beliefs? Now it is an attack against Assange: why does he not produce documents demonstrating Mossad involvement and 9/11 conspiracy? The answer is simple: probably because he has not got such documents.

If Duff, a neophyte anti-Zionist, has access to such documents as he claims, let him publish them or shut up. These insinuations “we could, we know, it will be bloody” are just empty words. His claim that “Pakistan is the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel” shows that he is rather detached from reality. Pakistan is not in the Middle East by any definition, and has invested zero effort in the Palestine conflict. Pakistan has never tried to stand up to Israel, has never assisted the Palestinian cause, and its nuclear capabilities are quite limited. Moreover, Pakistan is a loyal client of the US with a lot of problems, some of which are of its own making.

In order to understand Wikileaks and its success one should comprehend the way it works. This is not a body of dedicated political activists. Though generally sympathetic to our enlightened views, Wikileaks is an organisation of hackers, and some of them hack just for the heck of it. We are beneficiaries of their work, but they do not work for us. Let us be thankful for what they do, and avoid assisting Pentagon in marginalising them.

Dear Shamir,

you title your last missive "Wikileaks - The Real Stuff", yet you fail to point to anything "real" or valuable in the Wikileaks documents. Can you point to any detail, either within the documents or within those documents that have been published by the mainstream media that was not already publicly available? Alternatively, can you point to some evidence that the release of the documents has in some way effected a sea-change in the general public opinion of the US misadventure in Afghanistan? I ask this because, such is the hype surrounding the release of the documents, I think we are all justified in expecting 'big things' as a result.

I don't doubt that the coverage of the Wikileaks documents by the mainstream media has lent extra weight to the long-established truth (as purveyed most notably by the alternative news sites) that civilians are being murdered in Afghanistan, but the precise number of dead is all important, as is where to lay the blame.

Do you really think the Wikileaks documents and the mainstream media reporting on them serve up a dish of raw Truth to the public? Or is it possible that it has been cooked to some extent?

The UK Guardian newspaper has taken the lead in the dissemination of the Wikileaks documents. Take a look at this article, if you have not already done so. It is the main story that appeared in the Guardian announcing the documents, and consider the bullet-pointed summation at the beginning:

- Hundreds of civilians killed by coalition troops
- Covert unit hunts leaders for 'kill or capture'
- Steep rise in Taliban bomb attacks on NATO

Were you shocked Shamir? "Hundreds" killed by coalition troops! The true figure is over 30,000 Afghan civilians killed as a result of the US invasion.

How many average US or European citizens do you think will be shocked by the claim that a "covert unit hunts" those evil 'Tailban' leaders? Is this meant to be a shocking exposé?

And what are we to make of the "steep rise in Taliban attacks on NATO"? Is this meant to elicit a "poor NATO" response from readers?

But I admit, some people are strong-willed, and read further than the bullet points of an article, and at least get to the end of the first paragraph where, in the case of the Guardian exposé, the public is treated to a further data point:

"NATO commanders fear neighbouring Pakistan and Iran are fuelling the insurgency."

Do you find that interesting Shamir? Suspicious even? Is it possible that a reasonable person could make a tenuous link between the hint that Iran is involved in the increased attacks on US troops in Afghanistan and the incessant sabre-rattling from both the US and Israel over a threatened attack on Iran?

But we could read on a little further and learn that: "the Taliban have caused growing carnage with a massive escalation of their roadside bombing campaign, which has killed more than 2,000 civilians to date." So we understand that the 'Taliban' are to blame for the vast majority of civilian deaths, while "coalition forces" are responsible for "at least 195 civilians killed [...] and 174 wounded, in total"

Thanks to the documents and the Guardian then, we now know that the 'Taliban' are the real aggressors in Afghanistan. It was much the same with Iraq after all. While not everyone knows that well over 1 million Iraqis have been killed in the last 7 years, most people know that 'civil war' is to blame. As a result, everyone also understands that, when the white devils invade a Middle Eastern or S.E. Asian country, local military strategy stipulates that the best way for the host nation's population to defeat the invader is to wage war on each other. Those Arabs and Asians must be a bit crazy, eh? But hey, it makes sense to the Western mind!

On the Guardian's interactive war-logs page, we are treated to a cornucopia of videos and flash pages, all very pleasing to eye but none providing any more substance than that written in black and white print. The emphasis on Iran and Pakistan as the real problem is hard to miss. In an editorial entitled: Afghanistan war logs: the unvarnished picture, we are informed that:

"In these documents, Iran's and Pakistan's intelligence agencies run riot. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is linked to some of the war's most notorious commanders. The ISI is alleged to have sent 1,000 motorbikes to the warlord Jalaluddin Haqqani for suicide attacks in Khost and Logar provinces"

Are you getting the picture yet?

Under "latest news" in the 'War logs' section, the Guardian reports what you mention in your defence of Wikileaks, that Reporters Without Borders has accused WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of "incredible irresponsibility" over the leaked documents.

The accusation is inane and baseless, as you note, but I am more interested in how this attack on Assange (and indirectly on The Guardian for publishing the documents), serves to convince an increasingly disgruntled public that these documents, and the Guardian's analysis of them, are the 'real deal'. Are we really at last seeing a little honest-to-god mainstream journalism?

I have sifted through the 92,000 documents, and based on the details therein, I agree with the Guardian's analysis of their overall message - Iran and Pakistan and the 'Taliban' are evil and responsible for most of the deaths in Afghanistan. For sure, US troops are trigger happy at times, but who can blame them? War is hell after all! And to be honest, who can blame them for going after the bad guys..."dead or alive!"

Do you agree with this assessment of the root causes of the problems facing Afghanistan and the Afghan people today? More importantly, is the general public now more convinced that this perspective is an accurate one because it comes from the 'secret documents' of Whistle blowers?

Today, for a while, Assange was accused of 'rape and molestation' by the Swedish public prosecutor. Assange was in Sweden last week. Within a few hours however, the charges were dropped. Interestingly, Wikileaks is in the process of moving its operations to Sweden. Would you believe me if I suggested that the rape allegation was possibly a case of 'reverse psychology'? That someone, somewhere, with considerable influence, flirted with the idea of accusing Assange in order to lend credence to the idea that 'they' are out to get him and thereby set in stone his and Wikileaks' image as true champions of the people? Or do you demand that our world be more prosaic, and that the wayward son a Saudi royal really was the mastermind behind the incredibly complex 9/11 attacks?

I am not, however, totally convinced that we are dealing with some grand conspiracy involving Reporters without borders, the CIA, the White House, the Pentagon and the Guardian etc. mainly because a conspiracy is not necessary. If we simply take the US national security state apparatus, the US military command structure, the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign S.E. Asian state, throw in some for-profit newspapers and a well-meaning, somewhat naive and impressionable 29-year old hacker, and a public starving for something real but who must be kept on a diet of half-truths and hollow hopes, we have all the ingredients we need for a controversial issue. The result can look like a conspiracy, when in fact it is just another day's news in the 'mixtus orbis' that is 2010 planet earth - that is to say, the unfiltered Truth is seldom seen, and increasingly, in these increasingly desperate times, when it does chance to poke its head above the parapet, it very often treads on the toes of those emotionally invested in the idea that there can be any real positive change in our world without the conscious, active participation of all, or at least a majority.

Regards
 
Re: Headline sez: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Gonzo said:
I'm actually surprised that I never noticed the for an anonymous organization like Wikileaks,it's rather odd to have the top guy so prominent.

Does anybody know:
When/why/How Assange became publicly know as the leader of Wikileaks? Was he outed or was it a choice?, etc.

Secondly, does anybody know if any other member of WL has been identified? Has anyone other than Assange ever given media interviews?

Is there a possibility that WL as a network of hackers is actually a myth and it is actually just a few individuals, if not one individual running a network with a website and chat forums, and other tools and toys, to make the illusion as realistic as possible?

It wouldn't be hard to do in a 2-stage approach. Once you raise awareness among the hacker community of a small group of hackers, lead by über hacker Mr. So and So, that was creating a network to leak government information, etc., a following of sympathetic hackers develops.

Heck, you could make the initial followers members of this elite-yet-benevolent group of hackers and feed them occasional issues related to building ways to secretly receive leaked documents, to have them help solve, to lead them to believe they are actually part of the movement itself, ready to put their skills to work in developping the network.

Then, through various Internet vehicles, be they email, social networking sites, instant messaging, etc., word spreads of both the noble group and it's following.

Word of this group is picked up by the disinenfranchised, various activist types (eg; anti-war, human rights, pro-democracy) and the forum fills with members.

A community is born.

Then, soon after, a news story hits the MSM about a grass roots movement, its leader, it's purpose and its intention to release some startling and controversial leaked video or documents or photos.

And the rest is history -hypothetically, of course. ;)

Gonzo

I think there's a good chance of your description being a lot closer to the truth than what is generally believed about wikileaks.
 
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One more for the record

Assange immediately joined forces with three mainstream media papers. Two in English.

The UK Guardian's summation is this

• How a secret "black" unit of special forces hunts down Taliban leaders for "kill or capture" without trial.

• How the US covered up evidence that the Taliban have acquired deadly surface-to-air missiles.

• How the coalition is increasingly using deadly Reaper drones to hunt and kill Taliban targets by remote control from a base in Nevada.

• How the Taliban have caused growing carnage with a massive escalation of their roadside bombing campaign, which has killed more than 2,000 civilians to date.

The other English paper that he used was the NY Times. Their headline summation is even worse:

Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert

A trove of military documents made public on Sunday by an organization called WikiLeaks reflects deep suspicions among American officials that Pakistan’s military spy service has for years guided the Afghan insurgency with a hidden hand, even as Pakistan receives more than $1 billion a year from Washington for its help combating the militants.

Other headlines state:

"The fate of Combat Outpost Keating illustrates many of the frustrations of the allied effort: low troop levels, unreliable Afghan partners and a growing insurgency."

"The military and intelligence reports provide a real-time history of the Afghan war from the vantage point of American troops actually doing the fighting and reconstruction."

Did you get that one? RECONSTRUCTION!!

The evidence (to date) suggests that the wikileaks documents are, at best, hype over nothing. At worst they are being presented as "hard military data" that do nothing to change public opinion about the war and in fact lend support to the push for continued attacks on Pakistan and Afghanistan and perhaps an attack on Iran. It's a non-story, a distraction, possibly on the eve of a new war. It's like "brangelina" for the conspiracy-minded, especially with the inclusion of the rape allegations.
 
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And now justice Sonia Sotomayor is hinting at more restrictions to free speech by the Wikileaks incident. How convenient!

_http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/27/wikileaks-war-logs-free-speech-supreme-court

US supreme court justice Sonia Sotomayor has said the court is likely to have to rule on the issue of balancing national security and freedom of speech due to WikiLeaks posting a cache of US military records about the Afghan war.

Sotomayor said the incident, which has been condemned by the Pentagon, was likely to provoke legislation in Congress that would require judicial scrutiny.

Her comments came in response to a question about security and free speech by a student at Denver university. The judge said she could not answer because "that question is very likely to come before me". She said the "incident, and others, are going to provoke legislation that's already being discussed in Congress, and so some of it is going to come up before [the supreme court]".

WikiLeaks posted more than 76,900 records of incidents and intelligence reports about the Afghan war on its website last month, providing a devastating portrait of the war. They revealed how coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in unreported incidents and how Nato commanders fear neighbouring Pakistan and Iran are fuelling the insurgency.

The publication of the files, which were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and the German weekly Der Spiegel, was one of the biggest leaks in US military history. The Pentagon has said the leak put the lives of US service personnel and Afghan informants at risk – a charge WikiLeaks denies.

Sotomayor said the balance between national security and free speech is "a constant struggle in this society, between our security needs and our first amendment rights, and one that has existed throughout our history."

Sotomayor compared the issue with the debate over allowing publication of the Pentagon Papers, a secret study about the Vietnam war. The New York Times published those in 1971 after the supreme court declined to block their publication over the objections of the Pentagon.

"That was not the beginning of that question, but an issue that keeps arising from generation to generation, of how far we will permit government restriction on freedom of speech in favor of protection of the country," Sotomayor said. "There's no black-and-white line."
 
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I can imagine that there are things being set in motion to increase the scope and reach of laws against publishing certain "secrets".

Sounds like a large stepping stone toward other regimes that have imprisoned their critics.

Regardless of Assange's knowledge of how he is being used, his usefulness will eventually dry up and he may well find himself betrayed, extradited, convicted and imprisoned, where he might meet his untimely demise, much in the same way as lee Harvey Oswald.

Gonzo
 
Julian Assange is meant to be portrayed as a victim, an underdog, a grass-roots hero attacked by the main-stream press for exposing the PTB so bravely. He’s meant to look that way in order to lure good, well intentioned people into believing the claptrap that has been fed to him to be "released" as “the truth”. And good, well intentioned people will be fooled. They will insist that if the PTB are after him with this phony rape charge, giving him a rough time, he must be the genuine article. But that’s just what THEY want you to think. They want you believe that Wikileaks reveals great secrets; they want Assange to come off as the underdog with a fighting spirit hell-bent on exposing the lies. The MSM is actually promoting the Cult of Julian Assange.

UK Daily Mail article said:
Supporters dismissed rape accusations against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange... but the two women involved tell a different story

By Angella Johnson
Last updated at 4:08 AM on 29th August 2010

It is a story as intriguing and confusing as a Stieg Larsson blockbuster: celebrated internet whistleblower becomes embroiled in a complex sex scandal involving two women, not long after he had masterminded one of the biggest intelligence leaks of all time - against the U.S.

That the action takes place in Sweden, Larsson’s home country, and that the protagonist is the flag-waver for freedom of information Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, provides added piquancy.

Assange, 39, was attending a seminar in Stockholm earlier this month when he found himself facing charges of rape and sexual molestation - charges that were then, amid much confusion, withdrawn and which he strenuously denies.

What does not seem to be in dispute is that he had sex with the two women within four days.

The scandal made headlines around the world, forcing the usually strident campaigner to go to ground in Stockholm, claiming it was a smear campaign, possibly initiated by the CIA or the Pentagon.

His supporters pointed out that the allegations came just a few weeks after WikiLeaks became embroiled in a dispute with the Pentagon over its publication of classified war documents, which the U.S. says endangers the lives of its soldiers and their Afghan allies.

The website plans to release more documents.

Sources in Sweden take a different view - they insist it was Assange’s louche behaviour and his chauvinistic attitude that led to the charges.

One of the women claimed in a Swedish newspaper: ‘The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who has a twisted attitude to women and a problem taking no for an answer.’

Adding to the confusion was the seemingly speedy decision by the Swedish police and prosecution service to charge Assange and issue a warrant for his arrest, even before formal statements had been taken from the women, only to have the rape charge dropped 24 hours later.

The sexual molestation charge was then reduced to one that is punishable by little more than a slap on the wrist.

As ever when such cases are mired in conflicting claims, the truth can take a long time to surface.

But The Mail on Sunday has managed to obtain copies of the women’s police statements, which are made available to the media in Sweden.

Though heavily redacted, with details of the sex allegations blacked out, they make uncomfortable reading.

Assange had flown into Stockholm on Wednesday, August 11, where several of the WikiLeaks internet servers are based, to speak at a seminar organised by the Social Demoratic Party, the equivalent of Britain’s Labour Party, three days later.

It has been reported that the Australian lives a nomadic life, but curiously he applied for a visa to work permanently in Sweden soon after his arrival.

Woman A, who works for the Christian branch of the party, was the main organiser but they had never met before.

The attractive twentysomething, described by friends as hardworking and fun-loving, offered to let him stay in her one-bedroom flat in Sodermalm, Stockholm.

She planned to visit her family on the other side of the country and would be away until the Saturday seminar.

But she returned on the Friday, anxious about the amount of work still to do for the seminar.

According to a police source: ‘They had a discussion and decided it would be OK to share the living space, then went out together for dinner.

'When they got back they had sexual relations, but there was a problem with the condom - it had split.

'She seemed to think that he had done this deliberately but he insisted that it was an accident.’

Whatever her views about the incident, she appeared relaxed and untroubled at the seminar the next day where Assange met Woman B, another pretty blonde, also in her 20s, but younger than Woman A.

In her police statement, Woman B described how, in the wake of the Afghanistan leaks, she saw Assange being interviewed on television and became instantly fascinated - some might even say obsessed.

She said she thought him ‘interesting, brave and admirable’.

Over the following two weeks she read everything she could find about him on the internet and followed news reports about his activities.

She discovered that he would be visiting Sweden to give a seminar, so she emailed the organisers to offer her help.

She registered to attend and booked the Saturday off work.

She appears to have dressed to catch his eye, in a shocking-pink cashmere jumper. But, she says, among the grey-suited journalists who filled the room, she felt uncomfortably out of place.

Undeterred, she bagged a seat in the front row and was asked to buy a computer cable for Assange.

No one bothered to thank her, she later complained.

Assange, dressed in grey jeans and a suit jacket, spoke earnestly for 90 minutes on the theme ‘The first victim of war is the truth’.

He could not have failed to notice the attractive blonde taking photographs of him.

What unfolded could be described as akin to the meeting of a groupie and a rockstar. The woman loitered outside the building before approaching a member of his entourage, who invited her to join a lunch at a modest local eatery called Bistro Boheme.

The party consisted of two Social Democrats, a freelance journalist friend of Assange, the man himself and Woman B - who was the only female.

One of the men present recalled her as a person of a seemingly nervous disposition who didn’t fit in.

‘She was a little bit strange,’ he said. ‘Definitely an odd character and keen to get Julian’s attention.’

The woman admitted trying to engage her hero in conversation.

Assange seemed pleased to have such an ardent admirer fawning over him and, she said, would look at her ‘now and then’. Eventually he took a closer interest.

She explained in her statement that he was tucking into cheese served on Swedish crispbread when she asked if he thought it was good.

Assange looked at her directly and started to feed her.

His next move was pure computer geek - he told her that he needed a charger for his laptop, and she eagerly offered to help.

Assange smiled, put his arm around her back and said: ‘Ah yes, it was you who gave me a cable.’

They went on a vain search for the charger. She bought him a travel card for the metro because he said he didn’t have any money.

On the train he was recognised by a young man who gushed in admiration about WikiLeaks.

If she felt a thrill from this brush with fame, Woman B doesn’t say.

They ended up at the city’s Natural History Museum, where Assange headed to a computer console and, to the woman’s clear annoyance, twittered about his day.

At 6pm they entered a bijou cinema to watch a short film about the ocean, called Deep Sea. In the darkness Assange became amorous.

At one point they moved to the back row, where it is clear from the woman’s statement that the pair went far beyond kissing and fondling.

After the show, they wandered towards a park. He turned to her and said: ‘You are very attractive ... to me.’

Assange said he had a traditional Swedish crayfish party to attend and needed a power nap, so they lay side by side on the grass and he fell asleep.

She stayed awake and woke him about 20 minutes later. When she asked if they would meet again, he replied: ‘Of course.’

What he did not tell her was that the party was being hosted by the woman he had slept with two nights before and whose bed he would probably be sleeping in that night.

By the time she had arrived home, 46 miles outside Stockholm, and charged her mobile phone, there was a message from Assange asking her to call.

He was still at the party.

The next day Woman B tried to call him but his phone was turned off. She eventually spoke to him on the Monday when he agreed to meet her in the evening and suggested they spend the night at her flat.

She wanted to go to a hotel, but he said he would like to see her home.

Again she bought his £10 train ticket because he had no cash and said he didn’t want to use his credit card in case his movement was being tracked.

He spent most of the 45-minute journey surfing the internet on his laptop, reading stories about himself and twittering or texting on his mobile phone.

‘He paid more attention to the computer than to me,’ she said bitterly.

It was dark by the time they arrived in her suburb and the atmosphere between them had cooled.

‘The passion and attraction seemed to have disappeared,’ she said.

Most of what then followed has been blacked out in her statement, except for: ‘It felt boring and like an everyday thing.’

One source close to the investigation said the woman had insisted he wear a condom, but the following morning he made love to her without one.

This was the basis for the rape charge. But after the event she seemed unruffled enough to go out to buy food for his breakfast.

Her only concern was about leaving him alone in her flat. ‘I didn’t feel I knew him very well,’ she explained.

They ate in an atmosphere that was tense, though she said in her statement that she tried to lighten the mood by joking about the possibility that she might be pregnant.

They parted on friendly terms and she bought his train ticket back to Stockholm. When she asked if he would call, he said: ‘Yes, I will.’

But he did not and neither did he answer her calls.

The drama took a bizarre and ultimately sensational turn after she called the office of Woman A, whom she had briefly met at the seminar.

The two women talked and realised to their horror and anger that they had both been victims of his charm.

The issue of unprotected sex left a fear of disease. It is believed that they both asked him to take a test for STDs and he refused.

Woman B was especially anxious about the possibility of HIV and pregnancy.

And it was in this febrile state that the women, who barely knew each other, walked into a police station and began to tell their stories.

Woman A said afterwards that she had not wanted to press charges but had gone to support the younger woman, who wanted police advice on how to get Assange to take a medical test.

In any event, the police woman at the reception and two male officers, one from the sex crimes unit, believed there was enough evidence to call the female duty prosecutor, who issued the warrants.

The story was leaked to a Swedish tabloid and Assange’s high profile led to the case being taken over by a senior female prosecutor who, after reading the statements, concluded there was no evidence of rape.

She agreed to the sexual molestation charge related to the first woman, but even that was watered down last week. Some legal observers now believe that will also disappear.

Claes Borgstrom, the lawyer representing the women, said they were upset about the way the case had been handled.

‘This case is a regressive sign for women that it’s not worth reporting when something like this happens,’ she said.

‘I was struck by the senior prosecutor’s statement that it’s not that she didn’t believe it but that she didn’t feel it was a crime.

'That’s why I’m going to a higher prosecutor to demand that the case is reopened.’

Assange’s lawyer Leif Silbersky said yesterday that he was unable to comment about the case until Tuesday.

It is expected that the Swedish prosecution service will issue a statement about the case then.

Whatever the outcome, one thing is certain – Assange’s attempts to portray himself as an online saint, exposing the secrets of the superpowers, has been dealt a damaging blow.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1307137/Supporters-dismissed-rape-accusations-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange--women-involved-tell-different-story.html#ixzz0xyd0syJp
 
Wow. If the women's stories are true, he sure seems like a slimy character. Not exactly a shining star for the alternative media to rally around. Blech!
 
It occurs to me that maybe the rape charges serve multiple purposes:

- to tarnish Assange's reputation, without completely destroying it (yet)

- to serve as ammunition against him by US military

- to fuel controversy and activity in conspiracy circles

- to add to a growing inventory his handlers may eventually use against Assange once he has served his purpose (assuming it's easier to convince disposing of someone if they have socially undesirable aspects, like poor morals, anti-social behaviour, selfishness, abusive, manipulative, etc.)

This might actually be a test run that, though international publicity, had the added benefit of lending credibility to a future charge, if they chose to set him up down the road as an initial means of disposing him.

- to help create a bit of a "bad boy" character to add to his persona. Working the "cool nerd" angle broadens Assange's appeal, especially among the younger generation who might only see a story about a geeky guy succeeding in scoring with a couple girls - all consentual - no biggie.

The circle of men where the conquest of women is actually honored is unfortunately quite large (heck, there's a night-time tv show where 2 men compete for points while they try to seduce women at a dance bar. See Keys to the VIP: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keys_to_the_VIP).

I imagine there would be more than a few geeks among the core supporters who would see Assange's conquest as macho, raising him from über geek to a player über geek ("player" - or "playa" - is the current term for a male seducer, I believe. I've grown a little out of touch with popular culture in my middle age)

That's a lot of bang for your buck.

Gonzo
 
Now there is this:

WikiLeaks war logs posting 'will lead to free speech ruling'

US supreme court likely to have to rule on issue of balancing national security and freedom of speech, says judge

US supreme court likely to have to rule on issue of balancing national security and freedom of speech, says judge


US supreme court justice Sonia Sotomayor has said the court is likely to have to rule on the issue of balancing national security and freedom of speech due to WikiLeaks posting a cache of US military records about the Afghan war.

Sotomayor said the incident, which has been condemned by the Pentagon, was likely to provoke legislation in Congress that would require judicial scrutiny.

Her comments came in response to a question about security and free speech by a student at Denver university. The judge said she could not answer because "that question is very likely to come before me". She said the "incident, and others, are going to provoke legislation that's already being discussed in Congress, and so some of it is going to come up before [the supreme court]".

WikiLeaks posted more than 76,900 records of incidents and intelligence reports about the Afghan war on its website last month, providing a devastating portrait of the war. They revealed how coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in unreported incidents and how Nato commanders fear neighbouring Pakistan and Iran are fuelling the insurgency. (sic!)

The publication of the files, which were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and the German weekly Der Spiegel, was one of the biggest leaks in US military history. The Pentagon has said the leak put the lives of US service personnel and Afghan informants at risk – a charge WikiLeaks denies.

Sotomayor said the balance between national security and free speech is "a constant struggle in this society, between our security needs and our first amendment rights, and one that has existed throughout our history."

Sotomayor compared the issue with the debate over allowing publication of the Pentagon Papers, a secret study about the Vietnam war. The New York Times published those in 1971 after the supreme court declined to block their publication over the objections of the Pentagon.

"That was not the beginning of that question, but an issue that keeps arising from generation to generation, of how far we will permit government restriction on freedom of speech in favor of protection of the country," Sotomayor said. "There's no black-and-white line."

In short, Julian Assange has become a human 9-11 or Shoe Bomber or Underwear Bomber. 9-11 brought us the "Department of Homeland Security" and all the loss of ostensible freedoms it entails, and the Shoe Bomber brought increased "security" and the Underwear Bomber brought us airport scanners.

It could be said that the latter two were just dupes that were allowed to do their thing (remember all the obvious clues that the CIA et al knew what they were up to in advance, but allowed them to go through so as to provide grounds for increased lockdowns?). But then, even if we suspect that 9-11 was an "inside job", if we just take the gov conspiracy theory at face value, it was another event that was "allowed" to happen to justify the legislation and war-mongering that followed.

A couple of things about Julian Assange come through loud and clear in all the articles about him (including interviews with him), and that is the guy probably means well, but is pathologically damaged and has formed a super ego to protect himself. This ego, along with his paranoia, make him an easy target for manipulation by CIA "motivation masters."

I'm reminded of the movie "Arlington Road." If any of ya'll have NOT seen this movie, DO watch it. There is a heavy lesson in there about how easily a good person who has no mastery of himself or his emotions can be used to destroy all that he holds dear.
 
From the first moment that Assange became visible to the public, I've felt like something was not right and that he was being propped up for some reason. Reading all the posts in this thread seems to confirm this for me and I get the impression that part of his mental faculties are being played with somehow.

Assange does not fit any of the "hacker" profiles I am familiar with. Of the "hackers" I have ever met, become acquainted with or studied the work of, I have never seen an example like Assange with his apparent naivete.

Aside from the criminal type portrayed in that movie (by the same name) many years ago, real hackers consider themselves creative programmers and engineers. They can hold a problem domain in their working memories long enough to choose from multiple programming languages and design patterns to create needed solutions.

They seem well aware of the mentality of everyone else: the 'code-monkey' and 'script-kiddies' (their terms) that use plug and play objects from a box to make software, requiring even more objects to plug memory leaks and such, until the solution winds up as bloatware that will later require a fortune to maintain.

As an example: years ago, I was party to a Usenet discussion where one 'hacker' was discussing a clause he put in all his consultant contracts requiring the employer to step in during a crisis and tell the company employees that the consultant was just doing what he was told to do and that the employees should just cooperate and get back to work.

So, from what I gather, real hackers have no illusions that their work will be understood and appreciated by others; or that it would be picked up and run with by others of lesser knowledge and ability. Life just doesn't happen that way.

Concerning the criminal type, from what I gather, most of them simply do what they do for the 'rush' and the ego boosts from their own efforts. They don't seem interested in doing global risk assessments from altruistic motives when they could just go on to the next challenge. It's an addiction for them, OSIT.

So, why is Assange so disappointed with the results of the exposures so far?

My 2 cents, fwiw.
 
Good point, Bud.
Most hackers/crackers get their satisfaction through breaking into systems and either holding them hostage, defacing their web content or turning them into slaves to help with their next project, and then reporting it to others.

Most belong to a group not all that different than a street gang.

I have known several who have broken into systems only to be hired by their owners to help maintain security so others can't do the same.

I haven't met many that demonstrate altruistic tendencies, although there are some who eventually go "mainstream" or help further open source projects (heck, Linux has several portions written by prior hackers).

There has been an emergence of hactivism, where hackers aligned with a certain movement facilitate it by affecting the "enemy". Animal rights and anti-globalization groups come to mind. But whether they do this for recognition or power versus benevolence, I really can't say.

One thing I have been meaning to do but haven't found the time is to quantify Assange's support within the hacker communities. It seems to be assumed by the media, but I doubt they've ever looked into it.

If he was actually held in high regard, I doubt it would be for the purpose behind his actions, rather more likely the methods, OSIT.

Gonzo
 
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