Karmic Implications, Entanglements and Solutions to our worldly problems.

[MassiveShoutOuts]

Hi All! First of all I'm not sure if there's already a thread regarding these topics-so if there is point me in the right direction :)

This is considering the current state of worldly affairs (God help us, The Epstein thing alone, not to mention the deeply entrenched corruption, psyops and about a million other things) and how we are to deal with them. I hear a lot of talk about Pitchforks, gallows, woodchippers, etc (I'm sure I don't need to go into more detail) and I was wondering about the karmic implications or potential karmic entanglements that would result of violent uprisings, whether on an individual or group basis.

Ok. So. Are karmic entanglements (which I define as your soul committing transgressions that win you another ride on Earth to sort out your lessons) even a thing? I imagine that 4D STS would even be banking on violence as it would be a nice little breakfast smoothy for them.
And if we are to avoid becoming entangled in the negative sloop, how can we improve the world and find justice against all these...well....injustices?

Please note I'm not advocating for violence, but, among people I have talked to, it seems to be a common 'solution' to the ills of the world.
Regarding the struggle I often think of Richard Wilhelm's interpretation of Hexagram 43 (Kuai/Breakthrough) of the Iching, which says:

In a resolute struggle of the good against evil, there are, however, definite rules that must not be disregarded, if it is to succeed. First, resolution must be based on a union of strength and friendliness. Second, a compromise with evil is not possible; evil must under all circumstances be openly discredited. Nor must our own passions and shortcomings be glossed over. Third, the struggle must not be carried on directly by force. If evil is branded, it thinks of weapons, and if we do it the favor of fighting against it blow for blow, we lose in the end because thus we ourselves get entangled in hatred and passion. Therefore it is important to begin at home, to be on guard in our own persons against the faults we have branded. In this way, finding no opponent, the sharp edges of the weapons of evil becomes dulled. For the same reasons we should not combat our own faults directly. As long as we wrestle with them, they continue victorious. Finally, the best way to fight evil is to make energetic progress in the good.

I'm of the assumption that these 'evil' doers will simply be replaced if removed anyway...

Forgive me if the answers to my questions have already been produced somewhere else...I'm don't know where to look, yet.

Thanks!
Interested to know what the many minds of this forum have to say :)

Sources: i-ching.eu - the i-ching resource | I Ching Hexagram 43

 

[LVX in Tenebris]

Hello @MassiveShoutOuts ,

Before addressing your question, I think these two threads might be of interest to you. They are not identical to what you are asking, but they touch on closely related ideas:

1. Karmic and Simple Understandings.
2. Soul, genes, karma and learning 3D lessons

Regarding your question about whether violence could solve the current state of world affairs, and whether it could actually improve things, my personal view is quite simply no.

When you refer to violence, I assume you mean physical violence. In my view, the only situation where physical violence may be justified is direct personal self-defense, when someone is physically attacking you. Outside of that context, I do not think violence would truly solve the underlying problems.

Even if you were somehow able to eliminate individuals like Epstein and others associated with that kind of corruption through violence, the deeper issue would remain. People with similar mindsets exist all over the world. You cannot simply eradicate an entire STS (Service to Self) orientation from humanity.

It is somewhat like cutting down a tree while leaving the roots untouched. The visible part disappears, but the roots remain underground and eventually produce new growth. In this analogy, those roots are deeper forces and thought patterns that extend beyond this world—perhaps even across different densities of existence.

So imagine that, through violence, a group managed to remove many of these corrupt individuals, even in something like a medieval-style purge. What would actually change? Most likely, others would step into those positions very quickly. The system might briefly shift, but the underlying tendencies would remain.

Even if one tried to radically change the entire social system—whether capitalism, modern civilization, or anything else—it still would not eliminate individuals who align with an STS mindset. The root of the problem is not simply a political or economic system; it is connected to deeper aspects of consciousness and polarization.

Because of that, I do not think violence is a real solution. At best, it might produce temporary results, but it would not resolve the fundamental issue.

There is also the question of karma. My understanding—though I may be mistaken—is that karma may operate in a way similar to deontological ethics, where certain actions carry consequences regardless of justification. In other words, doing harm may still have karmic implications even if we believe we are doing it for a good cause.

To use a simple analogy: imagine saving a gazelle by killing a lion that was about to eat it. You helped the gazelle, but you also interfered with the lion’s natural role and free will. The universe allowed that lion to survive by hunting, yet you prevented it. One could imagine an endless chain of interventions and consequences arising from that initial action.

You can see how complicated this becomes.

This does not mean that we should do nothing.

Rather, it suggests that if we want to help others or improve the world, we should try to do so in the right way—in ways that increase awareness and understanding rather than generating further cycles of violence and karmic entanglement.

For example:

• Avoid physical violence unless it is necessary for immediate self-defense.
• Share knowledge and encourage awareness among those who are genuinely willing to learn.
• Respect people’s free will to accept or reject what they are shown.

In my own experience, trying to force people to see something rarely works. When I discussed topics like the COVID vaccines, religion, or control systems with others, many simply rejected the evidence or dismissed it entirely. That taught me that no one can truly save another person against their will.

The best we can do is present information and allow others to choose their own path.

For that reason, the most constructive approach may be to align with an STO (Service to Others) orientation, help raise awareness, and demonstrate through our actions that reality does not have to function in the destructive ways we often see on Earth.

In fact, the passage you quoted from the I Ching already points in this direction. It suggests that directly fighting evil with force often entangles us in the same hatred and passion we are trying to oppose.

As the passage concludes:

“As long as we wrestle with them, they continue victorious. Finally, the best way to fight evil is to make energetic progress in the good.”

In that sense, you may have already found part of the answer yourself. Violence might occasionally serve as immediate defense, but it is unlikely to be a meaningful path toward lasting change.

 

[GaëlYann]

And if we are to avoid becoming entangled in the negative sloop, how can we improve the world and find justice against all these...well....injustices?

I know! Let's go out with our pitchforks!

 

[GaëlYann]

To use a simple analogy: imagine saving a gazelle by killing a lion that was about to eat it. You helped the gazelle, but you also interfered with the lion’s natural role and free will. The universe allowed that lion to survive by hunting, yet you prevented it. One could imagine an endless chain of interventions and consequences arising from that initial action.

Yes, that's what the STS world is like. You don't like it? Now you know. Some people thrive in it, others don't. We decided to live this experience. It was necessary for our learning, to broaden our knowledge and inform our decisions.

 

[GaëlYann]

We can also say that we receive the lessons we need to move forward. Once learned, they are behind us. Let us continue to shed light on all this darkness and pray for an exponential awakening of consciousness in this world, and let us see what happens.

 

[nicklebleu]

I think it is natural to harbour violent fantasies when we are frustrated with the world, with the constant violence against innocent people, pain and injustice.

But as others have said, violence would most likely not change our world for the better. Looking at past revolutions one can perhasp evenb make a claim that the opposite is true.

My thinking at the moment is that our goal should not be to change the world, but to change ourselves. Many people are attempting to change the world, because it is easier to do than to change oneself. The world is what it is, and maybe it was even to some degree designed to be that way, kind of a testing ground.

So our job is to change ourselves, become a better version than what we are today, so that tomorrow, perhaps, we may be able - individually - to break out of this endless cycle of having to come back and “play in the mud” again.

I am sure this is a vast simplification …

 

[GaëlYann]

I think it is natural to harbour violent fantasies when we are frustrated with the world, with the constant violence against innocent people, pain and injustice.

But as others have said, violence would most likely not change our world for the better. Looking at past revolutions one can perhasp evenb make a claim that the opposite is true.

My thinking at the moment is that our goal should not be to change the world, but to change ourselves. Many people are attempting to change the world, because it is easier to do than to change oneself. The world is what it is, and maybe it was even to some degree designed to be that way, kind of a testing ground.

So our job is to change ourselves, become a better version than what we are today, so that tomorrow, perhaps, we may be able - individually - to break out of this endless cycle of having to come back and “play in the mud” again.

I am sure this is a vast simplification …

I would even go further, and wanting to change the world would be a mistake.

 

[MassiveShoutOuts]

Hi @LVX in Tenebris, @GaëlYann, @nicklebleu
Thanks for the really great responses and thanks for the links- I'm gonna dive nice n deep into those threads!

Even if you were somehow able to eliminate individuals like Epstein and others associated with that kind of corruption through violence, the deeper issue would remain. People with similar mindsets exist all over the world. You cannot simply eradicate an entire STS (Service to Self) orientation from humanity.

It is somewhat like cutting down a tree while leaving the roots untouched. The visible part disappears, but the roots remain underground and eventually produce new growth. In this analogy, those roots are deeper forces and thought patterns that extend beyond this world—perhaps even across different densities of existence.

I agree. That's the general feeling and sense I get of the whole thing. Our efforts are be better spent cultivating the good parts of ourselves and others, than feeding suffering, pain, etc back into the system-especially if that wouldn't create anything beneficial in the aftermath.

Despite that, in a lot of ways I feel like there's a concentrated effort by the system to guide humanity down that darker path. A lot of the horrors being revealed to people have been happening for a long time, its just only now that there is a mass awareness of it. If we finally have the knowledge and understanding is that enough to resist more of these corrupt seeds sprouting up in the future?

But as others have said, violence would most likely not change our world for the better. Looking at past revolutions one can perhasp evenb make a claim that the opposite is true.

My thinking at the moment is that our goal should not be to change the world, but to change ourselves. Many people are attempting to change the world, because it is easier to do than to change oneself. The world is what it is, and maybe it was even to some degree designed to be that way, kind of a testing ground.

We can also say that we receive the lessons we need to move forward. Once learned, they are behind us. Let us continue to shed light on all this darkness and pray for an exponential awakening of consciousness in this world, and let us see what happens.

But maybe, like you have both said, the point is not to shape the world but shape yourself and those around you...history has tried and tested results which we can all learn from...

I just wonder how far that will go and if it will be enough to circumnavigate the population control systems constantly being erected?
Especially since these systems are being built by the very messed up people (if you can even call them that) who want to destroy/control humanity. I wonder what (if any) legitimate physical action individuals and groups can take outside of self improvement (I use that term loosely to describe doing all the 'WORK' for oneself and others) to avoid being entangled in the Earthly realm, in both this life and other potential lives.

Thanks again for the great responses!