Laura's Book "From Paul to Mark" is out!!!! ... And in French too
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SMM
The Living Force
I don't know where else is better to share this, and it's not worth it's own thread, so here it is.
I am reading From Paul To Mark Paleochristiany on Kindle. I noticed a typo:
Sprate, as in separate.
It's in chapter 2, titled "Paul's Mission". The screenshot helps with the location of the typo.
I am reading From Paul To Mark Paleochristiany on Kindle. I noticed a typo:
Sprate, as in separate.
It's in chapter 2, titled "Paul's Mission". The screenshot helps with the location of the typo.
Rhythmik
Jedi Master
Firstly I'd like to thank Laura for the gargantuan task of researching and writing this masterpiece.
I finally finished it. Because I have been a slow reader, and also that the book sent me on many side quests of research. As I mentioned in another thread, I had never read the NT so as I was reading through the book I realized that I needed to read Paul's Epistles to gain a better understanding of what was being discussed. Then every so often I'd encounter an interesting name or incident and so I would go and research who that person was and what history says about them. It was a super interesting experience and I learned SO much about Christianity and history in general.
I echo some of the sentiments in this thread that it is heart-breaking that the story and teachings have been so manipulated over time into what they are today. The vast majority of Christians upon hearing a hypothesis like this would clutch their pearls, stick their fingers in their ears or simply ridicule the suggestion, without ever looking into it or seriously considering it. The irony there is that they would feel that they would be engaging in sacrilege by daring to question or look deeper into their religious texts - but actually they would be gaining a clearer understanding of their religion and faith. But they've been taught (or spiritually threatened) not to question whether the entire Bible is the word of God and will be content to believe what most followers tell them to.
I just have a question - would there be any benefit or use into going to a church? Not like the weekly ritual practice, but I often travel and love visiting churches around the world due to how impressive they are. But the act of praying inside these churches, would that have any effect or is it simply the act of prayer and intention that matters, regardless of the location that you're in?
I finally finished it. Because I have been a slow reader, and also that the book sent me on many side quests of research. As I mentioned in another thread, I had never read the NT so as I was reading through the book I realized that I needed to read Paul's Epistles to gain a better understanding of what was being discussed. Then every so often I'd encounter an interesting name or incident and so I would go and research who that person was and what history says about them. It was a super interesting experience and I learned SO much about Christianity and history in general.
I echo some of the sentiments in this thread that it is heart-breaking that the story and teachings have been so manipulated over time into what they are today. The vast majority of Christians upon hearing a hypothesis like this would clutch their pearls, stick their fingers in their ears or simply ridicule the suggestion, without ever looking into it or seriously considering it. The irony there is that they would feel that they would be engaging in sacrilege by daring to question or look deeper into their religious texts - but actually they would be gaining a clearer understanding of their religion and faith. But they've been taught (or spiritually threatened) not to question whether the entire Bible is the word of God and will be content to believe what most followers tell them to.
I just have a question - would there be any benefit or use into going to a church? Not like the weekly ritual practice, but I often travel and love visiting churches around the world due to how impressive they are. But the act of praying inside these churches, would that have any effect or is it simply the act of prayer and intention that matters, regardless of the location that you're in?
This is among the lines of "it's not where you are that matters, but who you are and what you see." Though, if you happen to visit a church, that can be turned into an opportunity.
My husband and I like visiting churches too. We take my mom when she visits, and we make a point of going to any church in whatever town. She's an atheist, but she likes visiting churches as part of local culture, history and art. Often, they would be empty. If that's the case, I would sing Signor Pietà or similar, and then I say out loud FOTCM prayers. For me, that's the full experience. If there are people, I just light up a candle for loved ones.
Most people go to churches with good intentions, whether it's visiting or just devotion for the divine, or to think about people they lost, or like my mom who likes just to check out local culture and history. Churches often have better energies than other tourist places. At least that's my experience.
Same here. My wife, some very close friends, and I also enjoy visiting churches and monasteries. In my country, there are thousands of old monasteries, and many of them are located in the mountains, surrounded by beautiful nature.
My wife and friends enjoy practicing Christian rituals and following the widely accepted rules and narratives. I don’t. But I still enjoy going there—being with my wife and friends, spending time together. I like lighting a candle and listening to local myths about each specific monastery. It’s especially interesting to experience all of this with the knowledge we’ve gained from Laura’s book, this forum, and the sessions.
It’s fascinating to have all of this as a foundation and then explore the locations, architecture, rituals, and local myths.
When people pray, I usually recite the FOTCM prayer silently in my head—mainly out of consideration. I prefer not to draw unnecessary attention by doing something different from everyone else.
I agree with this.
Several years ago, I was traveling with @Chu for a family visit in Vienna. We entered a church and it was PACKED. This was not long after the most intense periods of "what is a woman" and MGTOW and all that nonsense. When we left the church, I actually wept. Sometimes we tend to think of church-goers as "less than" because they've been brainwashed by evil organized religion! Whoa is me! But in that moment, what I saw was a ton of people filling a church and having mass - people believing in something greater than themselves, participating in a traditional ceremony, etc. Everyone does the best that they can with what they've got...
The churches here in France are usually empty, so this was a pleasant shock. Some of us here also went to Christmas Eve mass last year, and it was quite nice (and pretty full). If nothing else, it was a nice contrast to the turbo-commercialization of Christmas that has invaded Europe from the USA over the past decades. We even have "Black Friday" (pronounced in a thick French accent). It's hilarious/sad.
Anyway, I don't think we should view these things in such a binary way. We have a prayer list, and we pray - in our way. Others do it their way. When I enter a church, I cross myself if there is holy water because that's what I was raised to do, and it symbolizes something important for me - something different than what it meant in the past, but who cares? The intent matters. Others look at me and might see "a good Catholic", but I do it for my own reasons.
Plus, visiting most churches/cathedrals (at least in Europe) is awe-inspiring when you consider the sheer size and scope of the construction alone. So yeah, why not? Maybe we could use more things in our lives that inspire awe (besides bigger and better bombs) - and also that add a bit of humility.
My family attends the Lutheran church and I go on occasion. I don't say the apostles creed with them, but some of the hymns are beautiful and I love to sing along. The pastor studies hebrew, greek and aramaic and he is open to discussing other texts, though we don't always have agreement on them. I suggested Pauls Necessary Sin: The experience of Liberation to him and he agreed with the translations that Ashworth proposed. He does a traditional service for the older generation and a more open one for the younger generation, the latter sometimes upsets the older people so he has his work cut out for him catering to the traditional and the new. He's a genuinely nice man and has a great sense of humor, I like him.
caballero reyes
The Living Force
SMM said;
It's in chapter 5, "Paul's Mission." The screenshot helps with the location of the typo.
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I haven't read chapter 5 yet. I wonder if you're only referring to the word SEPRATE and the A in SEPARATE.
If so, I thought it was something more, but this doesn't significantly alter the meaning of the sentence.
It's in chapter 5, "Paul's Mission." The screenshot helps with the location of the typo.
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I haven't read chapter 5 yet. I wonder if you're only referring to the word SEPRATE and the A in SEPARATE.
If so, I thought it was something more, but this doesn't significantly alter the meaning of the sentence.
lilies
The Living Force
Enumerated in the book are the unbelievable amounts of proof of meddling with the letters by Bible writers is insane. Political and selfish reasons to influence the masses. Pleasing whichever ruler happened to be on a throne threatening with execution, if the holy texts in the Bible are not written correctly and after the fact.. The amount of twists and plagiarisms are staggering and super annoying! (The possible fact that Mark had to write in code to remain safe and alive.) In light of all this repeated literal corruption and tampering with physical evidence and their hypnotic effect on the masses throughout history, its as Caesar said:
- Humanity is lost.
Paul's spiritual teachings however - I think - have also been recorded on the soul level, unchanged, non-interpolated, in their original, not corrupted, pristine form. By those who met him [or her] in real life, then probably enough of these follower souls re-incarnated and repeated the internalized truths. And this is what cannot be so easily meddled with.
These types of encoded spiritual truths in the soul may work as a compass, pulling people toward the magnetic north, effecting esoteric personal growth, helping with separating the wheat from the chaff. In the early life maybe shows itself just as a gut-feeling on the spiritual level. What religious "teaching" feels confusing and obscure is instinctively avoided, chewed on and tasted then the lies are ejected in secret or done away with later in life.
So even if Orion STS inspired the Bible writers to attempt full corruption of the remaining Pauline texts on paper, on the physical level, Paul's teachings on the spiritual level still remained strong and assimilable: appropriate for spiritual nourishment in later centuries.
- Humanity is lost.
Paul's spiritual teachings however - I think - have also been recorded on the soul level, unchanged, non-interpolated, in their original, not corrupted, pristine form. By those who met him [or her] in real life, then probably enough of these follower souls re-incarnated and repeated the internalized truths. And this is what cannot be so easily meddled with.
These types of encoded spiritual truths in the soul may work as a compass, pulling people toward the magnetic north, effecting esoteric personal growth, helping with separating the wheat from the chaff. In the early life maybe shows itself just as a gut-feeling on the spiritual level. What religious "teaching" feels confusing and obscure is instinctively avoided, chewed on and tasted then the lies are ejected in secret or done away with later in life.
So even if Orion STS inspired the Bible writers to attempt full corruption of the remaining Pauline texts on paper, on the physical level, Paul's teachings on the spiritual level still remained strong and assimilable: appropriate for spiritual nourishment in later centuries.
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SasaM
Jedi Council Member
A huge thank you to Laura and the whole crew invested in this research book seeing the light of the day. 
At times it read as a good old tense detective story ala "the dog that didn't bark" keeping me glued to the chair long into the night, at other times the urge to go out and proclaim to everyone what was revealed by the extensive research that went into it had to be "constrained" not to repeat the same mistakes of the past. It brought indescribable joy as well as sorrow to the heart at the same time, quenching its thirst for knowledge and truth while making it weep by knowing the circumstances of that same truth.
As already mentioned, the FPTM is really a must read for any person who wants to know what her religion is actually about, or at least the closest to the truth that can be reached from all the corrupted material that has survived the turmoil of our shared history.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
At times it read as a good old tense detective story ala "the dog that didn't bark" keeping me glued to the chair long into the night, at other times the urge to go out and proclaim to everyone what was revealed by the extensive research that went into it had to be "constrained" not to repeat the same mistakes of the past. It brought indescribable joy as well as sorrow to the heart at the same time, quenching its thirst for knowledge and truth while making it weep by knowing the circumstances of that same truth.
As already mentioned, the FPTM is really a must read for any person who wants to know what her religion is actually about, or at least the closest to the truth that can be reached from all the corrupted material that has survived the turmoil of our shared history.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Laura's overview on her book is priceless, a tour de force! From her latest substack:
lauraknightjadczyk.substack.com
Beyond the Fishbowl: From Goldfish Epistemology to Cosmic Self-Programming
Untangling Idealism, CTMU, Ancient Mystics, and Hyperdimensional Hints – With a Dash of Skepticism and Infinite Permutations
lauraknightjadczyk.substack.com
Indeed! I translated it and read it to my mom and she was intrigued by the entire article. Usually her attention is limited since she is the type of person who have lots of things in her mind and is very active, but when something really interest her she stays quiet listening to it.
I think Laura’s struggle with the nature true reality, is everyone’s struggle consciously or not, into how much we can see outside of the pond or fishbowl and even if we see fractions trough the glass (so to say), how real or factual is what we can see. Unless you are an individual who is not even capable to question these things in the first place and is happy with the their perception of reality.
It seems that by understanding/rediscovering real or ‘close to true’ history (with what we can really reconstruct out of all the lies) we could understand part of the mechanism acting in our reality, applying the same to any other subject like science, then we can grasp a bit of what our reality might really be in general idea, but even after that, how much still true?
It’s a really good read.
