Libel and Defamation Against SOTT, Cass, LKJ, QFG, etc

[Guardian]

Speaking of azzhats from the UK, here's another one... "fermi" created an account just to post this:

_http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1303079/pg1
"The paranoid pathology of Laura knight Jadczyk and the cassiopaeans"

What I find absolutely hilarious is that the majority of this post is a list of very useful links. My first thought was "Great Advertising"

 

[Vulcan59]

Nice summary Guardian. For the record, we may have a possible ID on neutrino in your post here.

 

[Guardian]

Nice summary Guardian. For the record, we may have a possible ID on neutrino in your post here.

Yeah, I kinda had a feeling the son referring to father part of the thread was real from the gitgo. That's what pro-paths do, make broad, outlandish anonymous claims, then sit back and wait for someone with a personal beef with their target to agree with them.

Please tell me, what group this size isn't going to have members with children/spouses/siblings/friends/etc who aren't happy with their choices?

Fire broad enough and you're bound to hit something.

 

[seekr]

Have yawl noticed how the predators insult the membership when numerous posters come to Laura & Ark's defense during these attacks? They use the "cult" word like a club. That's because we're doing exactly what they don't want us to do...offering support. I don't think there's any such thing as "noise" in these situations. Even if you've only got 10 posts and nothing much to say but "What a bunch of azzhats" PILE ON! I think doing so makes a difference at energy levels some folks aren't even aware of yet.

Thanks for the synopsis and analysis, Guardian. Seems right on to me.

I sure have been appreciating the help on the article comments on sott and my FB page. It actually keeps my energy up so I can continue to work even while all that is going on.

"Support" is energy that feeds the Teacher and starves the predator. :)

I never thought of it this way, as adding "energy" to help/support. I used to think I was just adding noise by making the thread that much longer for others to sort through if I had nothing really "new" to say.
Thought I was being "externally considerate".

Hence the need for a mirror. Thanks for the Windex, ;) Guardian and Laura

 

[Guardian]

I never thought of it this way, as adding "energy" to help/support. I used to think I was just adding noise by making the thread that much longer for others to sort through if I had nothing really "new" to say.

To me, "noise" is giving energy to concepts, ideas, etc. that don't deserve it....and deciding which is which is the real tricky part. ;D

 

[Bluestar]

Thank You Guardian for posting it all down. Clear and precise explanation to the hurdles and hazzards placed before people who share their knowlegde.

Thank you Laura for continuing to share. The work you have done and continue to do is priceless.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for the great summary, Guardian! Very helpful for everyone.

 

[mada85]

Thanks for the great summary, Guardian! Very helpful for everyone.

Ditto!

 

[sitta]

Thank You Guardian for posting it all down. Clear and precise explanation to the hurdles and hazzards placed before people who share their knowlegde.

Thank you Laura for continuing to share. The work you have done and continue to do is priceless.

I'm adding my thanks to yours. Thank you Laura and thank you Guardian

Have yawl noticed how the predators insult the membership when numerous posters come to Laura & Ark's defense during these attacks? They use the "cult" word like a club. That's because we're doing exactly what they don't want us to do...offering support. I don't think there's any such thing as "noise" in these situations. Even if you've only got 10 posts and nothing much to say but "What a bunch of azzhats" PILE ON! I think doing so makes a difference at energy levels some folks aren't even aware of yet.

 

[Keit]

"Support" is energy that feeds the Teacher and starves the predator. :)

I never thought of it this way, as adding "energy" to help/support. I used to think I was just adding noise by making the thread that much longer for others to sort through if I had nothing really "new" to say.
Thought I was being "externally considerate".

Recently, I read the following by Sheldon Kopp:

A wise man once said, "The teacher helps his disciples to find themselves, but in hours of desolation, it is the disciples who help the teacher to find himself again."

Continuous support as an act of appreciation and "giving back" seems to be an important part of the "mutual nurture and growth" process. Maybe we could even take this year's I-ching analogy of "exhaustion"/dry lake, and see how despite giving all, there comes a moment where lack of wide response/support/resonance creates an imbalance and there is a need to turn inwards (concentrate on cultivating those few who did respond) in order to preserve the energy and prepare for the next stage of transformation, what ever it may be.

Also, in teacher/student dynamic, teacher represents or embodies qualities that student sees as the "yet to be achieved ideal or an aim". So by actively supporting the teacher, student also reinforces and provides energy toward the said aim.

 

[ocean59]

Wow, just read through this and the KG threads for the first time. Add my thanks and gratitude to all involved in this exposure and bringing light to the situation.

I just wanted to say, these threads really brought home for me how current and real the danger of attack still is (and will likely continue to be). I think I had lost a little perspective on such topics, but I remember now just how important it is for each and every one us to remain vigilant in our actions and behaviors at all times. Thanks also to Laura specifically for staying strong through it all, and never letting up.

 

[Deborah Elder]

Thank you, Guardian for putting the noise/support issue so clearly, even for a confused noob. (with 11 posts @_@)

That's because we're doing exactly what they don't want us to do...offering support. I don't think there's any such thing as "noise" in these situations. Even if you've only got 10 posts and nothing much to say but "What a bunch of azzhats" PILE ON! I think doing so makes a difference at energy levels some folks aren't even aware of yet.

The attacking comments are ridiculous and contrary to what I have experienced. What I actually experience in my life from listening to all Laura's writing (and many forum posters) is unprecented personal growth despite an extended time of layered adversity. Without my (beginner's) knowledge gained -- I'd have shriveled for sure.

Just reading The Wave book 5, I am so glad for an opportunity to say, "Thank you, Laura. I appreciate each bit of your help very much."

Smiles ^_^

 

[Sonrisa]

Recently, I read the following by Sheldon Kopp:

A wise man once said, "The teacher helps his disciples to find themselves, but in hours of desolation, it is the disciples who help the teacher to find himself again."

Continuous support as an act of appreciation and "giving back" seems to be an important part of the "mutual nurture and growth" process. Maybe we could even take this year's I-ching analogy of "exhaustion"/dry lake, and see how despite giving all, there comes a moment where lack of wide response/support/resonance creates an imbalance and there is a need to turn inwards (concentrate on cultivating those few who did respond) in order to preserve the energy and prepare for the next stage of transformation, what ever it may be.

Also, in teacher/student dynamic, teacher represents or embodies qualities that student sees as the "yet to be achieved ideal or an aim". So by actively supporting the teacher, student also reinforces and provides energy toward the said aim.

I want to add my support of you, Laura, to that of the others stated here. I, too, have often thought that saying "me, too!" was just noise. I appreciate having the difference between "noise" and "support" pointed out to me. I greatly appreciate everything that you have done for all of us, despite all the attacks and difficulties that you and your family continue to face every day. You do embody many, many qualities that I see as a yet-to-be-achieved ideal for me. Thank you.

 

[Psalehesost]

[...] this sure does sound like Kate. Here is a follow-up post from the same thread:
<snip>

Added: Oh, and lookee -- the post you made here was on December 21, and the first post that was made on the David Icke thread was on December 22. Pretty quick turn-around!

'Stranger' got a PM from 'lucis' that is almost completely identical - a version of the same text - on the 23rd of December.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Hmm. So "lucis" is very likely to be the same person as "explorer" on Icke's forum. Or there are a whole bunch of these droids copy & pasting "cult" libel and defamation text all over the web.


Also there was this comment posted by "sanctuary" on the Not Ready to Make Nice SOTT Focus article by Laura.

CULT CHECK LIST
The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

APPLIES

Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

APPLIES

‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

APPLIES

‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

APPLIES

‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

APPLIES

‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

APPLIES

‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

APPLIES

‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

APPLIES

‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

APPLIES

‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

APPLIES

‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

APPLIES

‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.

APPLIES

‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

APPLIES

‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

APPLIES

‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

APPLIES

WAKE UP PEOPLE

You don't have to be stupid to be in a cult in fact they can't use stupid people. People in cults are the most most skeptical of all as nothing but the cult is right.

The only people who think its not a cult are the cult members
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