Hi Padwana Learner,
Thank you so much for your information I have some experience of these descriptions and experiences you describe as whilst not being a full time therapist I am trained in several disciplines and what appears to occur with me in my life of learning processes is that Is something occurs in my life that I cannot fully explain and l then very quickly I receive a variety of experiences to a conclusion by where I can get a handle on the way it works in the world.
You said in your post:
Months ago, I had been having very obtrusive thoughts which I knew were NOT coming from me.
when this learning situation happened to me I was involved with a group of friends whom most were not really into the psychic world this deeply. I began seeing them with their there faces and bodies overlayed and could see many shapes and faces in those overlays some not very nice and designed to scare me, people would also say things that I also knew was not really them either. This was very difficult because some of these concepts are difficult enough to us who are doing our best to understand them but other people with little self analysis and training it becomes almost impossible for them to recognize whats going on so I agonized how this could be happening to us/ them and what I could do with what I was seeing.
Also in my life at the time I was being forced to deal with the evil entity and energy patterns in others and outside obtrusive energies (or their own from another level, which is sometimes very difficult to distinguish between) and as always when i am struggling to bring some understanding whilst doing the best I can external people or events show up to assist me and usually it brings a teaching to us all by helping each other as long as the other people are willing to work as part of the group in honesty together.
It outplayed further because another female in our group was a lot like me very stubborn and strong in effect she knew her own mind in many ways like I do myself and throughout the whole group without any real spiritual training quickly perceived that something was going on. I ended up working with her and the group together and it was one of those fantastic occasions where I learned a lot and was proven a number of things and so were they so it was a win win situation for us all except for 2 of them and the reason I believe that for now is as follows:
I think from our groups work I found out.
1, if you are strong and know yourself as much as you can, ie who and what you are, want, how far you will go to obtain those wants etc, your principles, your reactions under fear etc, and your ability to think with some clarity under pressure and fear, you appear to have an element of protection due to your own understanding of yourself, so when strange events, occurrences/occur you might not know all the answers but you for sure know theres something going on and you try to logically and by other means try and analyze that out. This is very empowering especially if the persons concerned will share and be completely honest regards their thinking and feelings even when it involves true honesty that under normal social etiquette rules of polightness could upset someone else in the group by that honesty.
2, so what i noticed was the more people who were naturally like this even without spiritual knowledge and training are the most difficult for this stuff to work on and through because they recognize something is going on and whilst they may not understand it, recognize or be able to verbalize it properly so they are not working completely blind and believing the feeling and thought is all there own and they seek to know and do something about it.
the people who were unable to achieve a modicum of this self perception, we watched as they lost controls, their balances and were unable to handle anything much at all including the ability to explore issues unknown to them in order to assist themselves and I found that very strange as it was the strongest self denial in some cases and the stronger the denial got the worse they became.
The rest of us spent time describing the thoughts and feelings that came to us even when they were negative thoughts about each other and then explored that and how it worked on us and within us, as something hit on us we recognized that it was usually thoughts that would pop up out of the blue and not in the normal context of what we were doing at the time, so the circumstances were outside what we were doing in that moment, this was a very good indicator and then it would be accompanied by deep feelings on the issue.
For example I remember sitting with 3 friends and they were speaking about a trip they had been on together before they knew me, as I sat and listened I began to feel like they were deliberately excluding me from the conversation and were trying to get me to leave by ignoring me. Now the first red flag for me is that I have no problems associated with this sort of situation, I enjoy watching and listening to people being happy listening to their good times they have enjoyed, but next i was affected with deep feelings of alienation and abandonment to the stage it bothered me so much I had to go to the bathroom to throw cold water on my face whilst I worked at removing what were clearly not normal feelings for me. The other female in the group came to look for me and said somethings is doing it again isn't it? and i said yes this time it appears it is my turn. We went back to the group and started to speak honestly about what was happening and as soon as we did the power hold dropped immediately and we all learned that when we speak about it openly and honestly without judgment and fear in particular regard to fearing what other people may think of us and what we are saying/doinga it immediately lost power and left.
Many of these incidents happened over time and as I say we learned a lot and I am sad to say that never since that time have I been involved with such a group as that where s we all became empowered without peoples personal stuff getting in the way instead.
Other separate incidents involved me trying to help people with satanic abuses and alcoholics etc, and sometimes I learned that whatever it was that had a hold on the person would visually appear and try and attack me or in the case of the alcoholic try and and make me wish to drink at 7am in the morning etc and believe me the need was so powerful and I really had to fight it even knowing that It was not me just something touching me.
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n the book she records numerous accounts of her therapy sessions and the "conversations" with different types of spirits and entities as well as light beings & demons. In some cases she refers to light beings/lizzies as angels/demons because that is the way her patients described them. She( as well as the light beings) seem to recognize and operate under free will which the C's did as well. At the end of this book she has a suggested prayer for protection. I had been trying to deal with it on my own, but the thoughts seemed to keep coming more frequently. Although skeptical, I decided to give the "prayer" a try. Afterwards, the thoughts stopped immediately and I have not had anymore issues with that. (FWIW) Don't know if that is for everyone, but it sure worked for me!! I thought i would include an excerpt that may lend some help to your (yorkiebe & NORDIC HEALER) situation.
MMM the free will issue, it has taken me a long time to recognize that really there is not that much with free will, when I had attack with the lizzies, the big one, i remember feeling and seeing things entering into my aura and thought er hang on here i complete loads of protective measures including saying words like on every level and dimension of my being, so how i asked were they getting through that statement, and to this day I have never had what i consider to be an answer where for me if felt true and useful, so my jury is still out on that one but i do recognize that you can allow maybe unconsciously on another level you are not entirely conscious about to effect this but I would have thought declaring on all levels and dimensions of me would cover this but apparently not.
It appears that what you are saying about words and prayers could be very important here and maybe theres some pre-defined age old statements that require clarification and finding for such use with the lizzies, as it is very different dealing with them as opposed to spirit type attachments. what i seek but don't want to fall into the trap off is finding and using something and then find it to be the very system i am seeking to avoid or it makes the situation worse if you know what I mean, so at the moment I believe there will be a way to become very strong over the lizzzie issues and visits as there has always got to be something that can be found and utilized within their own system of operations as nothing is infallible and we need to find how to deal with that with a degree of comfort and confidence to enable us to feel empowered much in the same way the group worked above when those issues were occurring at that time too.
so for me right now its the above and also I am having to completely redefine what energy in any form I call upon until I am sure in myself exactly what I am calling upon first.
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This section is on "devices" that entities claim to implant in people.
"Under hypnosis, patients often report finding different types of devices in their bodies and in their surroundings. According to the patients, Satan and his demons can build these devices for practically any purpose. They range from small single-purpose devices, such as a metal-looking bar, clamp, or fork used to cause aches and pains, to more complex crushing devices intended to interfere with the function of different parts of the body.
They report that devices can be single-purpose, causing one symptom or problem, or they can be multi-purpose, creating multiple problems. They can also be remote devices. They are actually spiritual devices, but they have a physical effect on the patient. Patients say that these devices affect nerves, chemical processes, hormone production, and the operation of the physical body. When these devices are removed, the patients' symptoms sometimes disappear almost immediately..................They can create devices to cause aches and pains, chronic fatigue, etc. Through these devices and energy absorbers, they can drain or absorb patients energy and cause patients to feel tired and drained. Sometimes patients report devices that are used to make them sleepy or drowsy in their day to day life and even during a session. Sometimes, even when we are simply talking, devices are used to make them sleepy to distract them from hearing what has been said." She goes on to describe various types of devices.
I do believe this implants go on and have dealt with people and looked at cords an had some learnings and experiences but not a vast amount but enough to know and believe there is something there. I have experienced chronic fatigue and have had to go through operations re the hormonal system so ......
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"Cleansing and Healing" "While working with earthbound and demon entities, my patients often describe angels of the LIght cleansing, healing, and filling them with the Light. They say that the space where the spirits or devices were should be immediately cleansed, healed, and filled with the Light, otherwise Satan and his demons will put another entity or device in that space." She goes on to say that the patient asks for the light beings to cleanse, heal, remove devices, and put a protective shield around them. Apparently this "asking" or prayer should be used regularly as a preventitive measure.
"Patients report that satan can re create these devices and communication centers as soon as we destroy them. It seems like a never ending battle, but again and again patients reported that the angels told them to pray daily for protection and to request to destroy those centers throughout creation and for removal of everything from them that does not belong with them and that will make patients less than what they should be."........."
"By dealing with these dealing with these demons under hypnosis and freeing themselves from their negative influences, patients gain a great deal of knowledge about them and the illusion of their power. It gives patients self confidence and understanding that satan and his followers have only as much power as they give them."
thought this was interesting......."Demons say that when they are discovered by us it is considered by satan to be a failure on their part, and they are punished by satan even worse than before. They do not want to go back to satan at any cost.( STS has free will too) When dealing with these so called demons, patients always report the presence of a brilliant white Light and the angels of the light in it. Demons, when surrounded by the Light, react violently to it. They claim satan told them to stay away from the Light because it will kill or burn them or they will vanish. When asked to look inside their being, the demons always find a spark of Light within. They claim they had no idea it was there; as they look at that spark, they cannot take their eyes off of it. In no time the Light grows and they become the beings of pure Light." (Did the C's ever mention this issue? I can't recall.)
I have seen and dealt with many differing kinds of visual and feeling entities around people and can spot the signs now , however in the early days of my learning it took me a long time to realize that no matter how much assistance you can give a person if they do not complete some work for themselves it will always come back or another because they don't understand what to do to help themselves or have any understanding of how the energy works that is seeking to disrupt them. And most importantly don't like taking any responsibility for that either preferring to hand it over to another person which unless they are prepared to spend the rest of their life running to someone else to remove something every time it happens they will never experience any freedom or empowerment. Also its true when spaces get cleared they can quickly re-fill with other entities so i say again know yourself, so you can see and feel something, work it out to the best of your ability then seek a system to support you to deal with it the best way you can.
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One more excerpt i thought was interesting. (she refers to "dimensions" here, but don't know if "density" would be a better fit.)
".......According to the angels, in the remaing 1 percent of the cases, two other types of methods are used by satan & demons to launch an attack."
"One attack is launched through the spiritual dimensions in which demons and angels travel freely. This has the effect of bypassing the shield around the patient. In spite of the shield being intact and in place, demons can enter a person's body through other dimensions. According to the angels, they do so from certain spots between those dimensions; they cannot do so from just anywhere. Demons can also shove devices from those dimensions to this dimension and have them appear in us. These other dimensions are like other universes that have vibrations similar to our universe, but are just a little bit different."
"Another way the demons can attack from a distance, according to the angels, is by simply focusing their thoughts and intents on our thoughts and intents to interfere with them. According to the angels, our intents and thoughts cannot be shielded. They must be protected through different means. The primary way to block the attacks on our thoughts and intents is by focusing on a single objective, as in meditation........another way to ward off the attacks on our thoughts and intents is by having an intent not to give in to the attacks, not to be possessed or influenced, and to completely reject the works of satan, his demons, and all the human beings under satan's influence and accept the works of God." (or knowledge/truth..as the C's suggest)
I refer to the group work I did above and think that is in some way a method what is being said there is useful thought on the matter, and also the responsibility of understanding how it works both from a description as above and between the dimensions and the launch area of attack as the Cs say, knowledge is power so its knowing how it can be created, where from and what tools we have available to deflect and block that regardless of where it is comming from. In my own experiences i can say I am reasonable comfortable with what I know about some of the more earth based entities and evils as saw a lot of it and learned some of the patterns of that so can recognise it now quite quickly. What i don't understand too well is how this lizzie type energy works and why, ie what fuels the attack what makes them scared enough to do it to you in the first place, plus when you mention above re the energy not achieving what it wants I was told directly on my bigger attack that because i had not yielded to what it wanted it would seek to destroy my life for having the audacity to refuse it so......and that certainly has happened a lot since then.
as we seek to clarify and ask one question we see another 100 questions forming -)
I came across an e-book that I found quite interesting concerning words of power and liked it because it was one word to learn for each situation that you can repeat like a mantra when finding yourself in a certain situation and as I am a trained coach we used to use similar methods with clients when they were having re-occurring negative thoughts about themselves so I will dig out the link so you can take a look. I would have bought it but am a little strapped for cash right now but there is a free download with some words and how he uses them and how the words came to be etc, and I am using those words at the moment learning them one at a time Dependant on which situation I am in but not done enough to be able to see a vast result yet but if you can remember to use it in that instant it does really help to focus and get your head space out of what is going on.
Thanks for a great post it was a real help when thinking about using my experiences of the past to create something in the future I still am not sure about how to deal with yet entirely.
Warm Regards Julie
