Looking to Buy a Laptop

Nomad said:
The mentality hinted at in there permeates everything, and all I can say is, it makes an excellent Ponerology case study. I think it actually induces a kind of deep-seated denial in the people it hooks. It is the Israel of the computing world.
I totally agree. With that kind of funding that MS has it would seem not too difficult to come up with a OS that would be more transparent and less capacity consuming. It sure seems like Windows is a product of some sort of 'ordo ab chao' or 'shock doctrine' thinking.

I'll 'turn up the heat' in this discussion by stating also, that after using my iPhone for half an year now I would never go back to any other mobile phone :lol:

The iPhone is also so user friendly that it still amazes me. And a huge plus are the many fantastic applications available; the ones I like the most are 'Stanza' for reading books (I recently transferred all the Cass transcripts on my iPhone) and this Iching-application called Yi Jing (see _http://blip.tv/file/2623414).
 
Masamune said:
Well a Mac is looking good after all this info. Any ideas on where to buy a computer? I live in the US. Also is there anything to look for when buying one used/refurbished? I possibly could spend more than $500 also, depends on the deal. Thanks for all the replies! :)

You can check on Ebay:
_http://shop.ebay.com/macbook?_frdlpwl=1&_rdc=1

I got my Macbook for 880 USD, it's a 2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, and it's from 2007.
 
You can also try the apple site for refurbished macs if interested: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTA4MzMxOTI
 
dant said:
What is the difference between a MAC and PC hardware if
most OSes are somewhat independent of the hardware,
generally speaking?

Since 2005, there's absolutely no differences between PC and Mac hardware. They both use x86 processors.

Apple computers used to, or still has, proprietary hardware
components that are not compatible with PC harware (and
vice versa), but today - does this still hold true? It used to
be that once you buy a "Mac" hardware - you were "locked in"?

Well, that's not true anymore. You have the possibility to install Windows on a "Macintel" (All Macs since 2005) in a dual-boot configuration : when your computer starts, you choose which operating system will boot. However, the opposite is not true ! You're "can't" install Mac OS on a PC, even if the hardware is compatible (this tend to be not true anymore, check "hackintosh" in Google)
 
Thanks, Polonel!

It is interesting... still, *something* "gets in the way" to make
it difficult for OSes (Mac vs Windoes) to be installed on seemingly
"standardized" hardware. Geez.

I looked at "hackintosh" and some of the comments, some say it is
"illegal" to do this... the never ending war going on to protect one's
turf, be it Mac or Windoes.

Thanks again!
Dan
 
Hi Aragorn!

Since you brought up the subject of iPhones, it is interesting
to note, that other cell phones are not as "rugged" as one
might not expect? My daughter bought a Sony/Erikson 350
cell phone and once it got wet, it stopped working. I sent
the phone in RMAed, and it was promptly returned stating
"We note that the 350 got wet. Your wartantee does not
cover such damages". Caveat Emptor!

I wonder if the same is true, that of the iPhones, or any
cell phones in general?

It's probably good insurance not to use a cell phone when
it rains or floods, or buy a "umbrella" for your cell phone?
Geez.
 
dant said:
It is interesting... still, *something* "gets in the way" to make
it difficult for OSes (Mac vs Windoes) to be installed on seemingly
"standardized" hardware. Geez.
This *something* is called Steve Jobs, Apple CEO. It's very hard to install a Mac OS on a PC because of the restrictions imposed by Apple. There's no such limitations on Windows or, of course, Linux.

I looked at "hackintosh" and some of the comments, some say it is
"illegal" to do this...
Yep, the procedure is very, very hard and illegal. Even if you bought the Mac OS licence, according to the terms of use, you don't have the right to install it on the hardware you want. It *must* be a Macintosh. Apple is the devil, even if Mac OS X is probably the best operating system to date.

Thanks again!
You're welcome :)
 
Aragorn said:
The iPhone is also so user friendly that it still amazes me.

The one thing that Apple has been criticized about is its agreement with AT&T. Users in the US must use AT&T as their network in order to use an iPhone. A lot has been made about this secretive agreement, and people who don't want to use that network have unlocked the SIM technology so they don't have to use AT&T. So it does have some limitations in regards to its user-friendliness.
 
I personally like Asus (actually they are sub-contractor for Apple Macbooks ). I liked the price, I liked the specs & it has a good video card with 512M of RAM.

It came with windows, but I've made it dual boot with Ubuntu Linux. Left windows just in case, but barely touch it.
Ubuntu also comes with pretty much all you need to do computer tasks. Did not even have to configure anything & it's for free.
 
Let me suggest a structured approach. Here is a list of components you should be aware of, and do some research on separately to know what is currently available on the market and how fast it is and what you need.

CPU
RAM
Hard Drive
Video Card
Screen
Operating System

The CPU isn't really that important because most modern CPU's will do a great job. Get an Intel Core 2 Duo or an AMD processor, and check out benchmarks to see how they compare in various applications:

Some modern mobile CPU benchmarks here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/mobile-cpu-charts/Divx-6.6.1,469.html

A much larger list of mobile CPU's that includes old models for comparison purposes as well:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmarklist.2436.0.html

Next, consider the RAM. If you get Windows XP I would recommend about 2 Gigs of RAM. If Windows Vista or the upcoming Windows 7, I would recommend at least 4 Gigs of RAM. What kind of RAM you get really makes absolutely no performance difference, at most it is very very slight and really doesn't matter, what matters is the amount in Gigabytes. If you don't have enough Gigs of RAM, your computer starts using your hard drive as RAM, and that is extremely slow and will make your entire system crawl so make sure you have at least the amount I mentioned above so that won't happen.

Next, the hard drive. This is probably the single most important component you will choose in terms of how fast your computer will feel. A CPU is rarely utilized except in CPU-intensive applications like flash games, games, video rendering, etc. Typical stuff like browsing and email and watching videos and music (unless it is HD videos) won't use much CPU, and most modern CPU's will take care of that stuff very quickly. The major hurdle is the hard drive because every single program you open will have to be loaded from the hard drive no matter what it is. And no matter how fast your CPU is, if your hard drive is slow (or you don't have enough RAM as mentioned above), your computer will feel very slow and everything will take forever to open up and load.

I would strongly urge the hard drive to be your #1 consideration and I would advise sacrificing the CPU a little if it means you can afford a faster hard drive. The size of the hard drive in Gigabytes is only important in terms of how much stuff you plan to put on your computer, but the speed is what makes everything feel faster or slower while using the computer. There is no number you can look at that will indicate your hard drive's speed like there is Ghz for CPU's (although with current focus on dual-core and quad-core and architectural improvements, the Ghz means less and less for CPU's too). For hard drives (and for CPU's for that matter) you should go straight to benchmarks to see how fast they are.

Here are benchmarks for mobile hard drives:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-2.5-mobile-hard-drive-charts/benchmarks,53.html

You care about the Read Throughput and Write Throughput mostly.
For a good indicator of realiability and customer satisfaction check out newegg.com and see mobile hard drives and sort them by rating to see which are the highest rated by customers.

You are of course not limited to buy hard drives on the above benchmark list, but whatever laptop you buy, just find out what hard drive it has (the exact manufacturer and model number) and look that up in a search engine with the word benchmarks next to it to see how it compares to others. The faster the better. If you are shopping in a real physical store, you can find out what hard drive the computer has by going to Device Manager (ask store employee how to access that in Windows).

As for video cards (graphics card) also look at benchmarks, but unless you want to play the latest games I'd recommend being conservative with this component and putting more of your budget into the hard drive, the RAM, and the CPU. Laptops are not good for games in general and will get very expensive very quick if you get powerful video card, so for a $600 budget I would recommend a lower-end discreet video card (one that is not built into the motherboard), or even one that is built in to the motherboard.

Video Card benchmarks:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

I would recommend getting a sense of what kinds of CPU's you are cosidering and making a list, same for hard drives, and video cards. Then finding a laptop that has the components that you are considering in your list, or others that are comparably fast by looking them up in a search engine with the word benchmarks next to them.

A Core 2 Duo of about 1.8 Ghz or above is usually a safe choice for CPU's. Hard drives that are over 70 MB/s Average Read Throughput are going to feel pretty fast. 4 GB or more RAM is also a safe amount for almost any kind of workload, and I wouldn't get any less for Windows Vista or Windows 7 - RAM is cheap nowadays anyway. Also an alternative to a Hard Drive is a Flash drive which, like the Intel flash drive brands are much faster than any spinning hard drive, but they are way too expensive for most people right now and will only become a good option in about 2-3 years at the way prices are falling now.

Good luck! All this info can be overwhelming if you're new to these components but some thorough research and reading about these things will really help you understand what you are getting. I would recommend going to a store like Best Buy and at least playing around with their laptops to see how they feel. Some little things can make a big difference - how the mouse pad behaves, how the keyboard is layed out and feels, the existence of volume buttons, etc. Hope this helps!
 
:offtopic:
Sorry I'm sort hijacking this thread to ask all you Mac users:

Have your resolved the problem of autofilling the username and password on this forum? Even though I've allowed Safari to save the password it doesn't work;
the login boxes show the correct username and 'dots' in the password box, but when I login...denied.
 
Aragorn said:
Have your resolved the problem of autofilling the username and password on this forum? Even though I've allowed Safari to save the password it doesn't work;
the login boxes show the correct username and 'dots' in the password box, but when I login...denied.

I use Firefox, not Safari. I also use a nifty application call 1Password which keeps all my passwords. So I haven't had any problems with the autofill option on FF. Try clearing the password box and re-typing the password to see if the one saved is the correct one. If it isn't, you'll have to change the password saved by Safari to the correct one.
 
What version of the Max OS are you running and what version of Safari?

Is the problem only on this site?

I have seen a problem in an earlier version of Safari where it wants your password just to use it. I had a friend with that problem and was able to fix it by going to the Apple support site and searching on 'safari-password-troubleshooting' or something like that. There was a Safari file that had to be erased.

And I second Heimdallr's recommendation of 1Password. Very handy.
 
Galahad said:
What version of the Max OS are you running and what version of Safari?
Mac OS X 10.5.8 and Safari 4.0.3

Is the problem only on this site?
Yup, autofill works fine on other sites.

I have seen a problem in an earlier version of Safari where it wants your password just to use it. I had a friend with that problem and was able to fix it by going to the Apple support site and searching on 'safari-password-troubleshooting' or something like that. There was a Safari file that had to be erased.

And I second Heimdallr's recommendation of 1Password. Very handy.
Okay, many thanks. I'll check it out. While I'm at it: trying to use preview before posting is difficult in Safari (this site only, for what I know); the preview box/window is so narrow one cannot see a thing. I wouldn't want to switch to Firefox, but maybe I should...
 
Hi Aragorn,

I have Mac OS X 10.6.1 and the same version of Safari as you. I just did a test (coz I don't normally use the autofill for forum logs) and like you, it doesn't work on this forum (it works with other sites). I also have the same problem as you regarding the preview. I don't intend to switch to Firefox though, I'm too used to Safari and of all the browsers I've tried, it's really my favourite.
 
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