Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Missing Plane

Ursus Minor

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On Flight 513 that supposedly left Germany in 1954 and landed in 1989 in Brazil

Did this incident really happen? I have been searching for airliners disappearing or crashing in 1954 between Germany and Brazil.
Found none.

The flight mentioned is said to have taken off from Aachen, Germany in 1954. Well, Aachen never had a commercial airport.
The list of defunct airlines of Brazil doesn't contain any company called "Santiago".

Case closed. :rolleyes:


 

c.a.

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On Flight 513 that supposedly left Germany in 1954 and landed in 1989 in Brazil
Did this incident really happen? I have been searching for airliners disappearing or crashing in 1954 between Germany and Brazil.
Found none.
The flight mentioned is said to have taken off from Aachen, Germany in 1954. Well, Aachen never had a commercial airport.
The list of defunct airlines of Brazil doesn't contain any company called "Santiago".
Case closed. :rolleyes:

Dully noted. Can you include links (as a future reference), with any findings? If you please. ;-) Thank you!

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Ursus Minor

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Dully noted. Can you include links (as a future reference), with any findings? If you please. ;-) Thank you!

Interestingly, while there was no flight that went missing between Germany and Brazil on September 4, 1954 - but there was an aircraft accident at Shannon, Ireland on September 5, 1954 involving a KLM Lockheed Constellation.
KLM Flight 633 was a passenger flight from Amsterdam to New York that ditched on a mudbank in the Shannon River immediately after take off from Shannon Airport. (Airplanes had to do stop-overs in either Gander, Shannon or Prestwick in those days for trans-atlantic flights)

I can't see why there could have been a mix-up with that accident in the hoax report from Brazil. But the dates are quite similar and in both cases the aircraft mentioned was a Lockheed Constellation.

Accidents and incidents in 1954

Defunct Airlines of Brazil

KLM Flight 633
 

c.a.

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Interestingly, while there was no flight that went missing between Germany and Brazil on September 4, 1954 - but there was an aircraft accident at Shannon, Ireland on September 5, 1954 involving a KLM Lockheed Constellation.
KLM Flight 633 was a passenger flight from Amsterdam to New York that ditched on a mudbank in the Shannon River immediately after take off from Shannon Airport. (Airplanes had to do stop-overs in either Gander, Shannon or Prestwick in those days for trans-atlantic flights)

I can't see why there could have been a mix-up with that accident in the hoax report from Brazil. But the dates are quite similar and in both cases the aircraft mentioned was a Lockheed Constellation.

Accidents and incidents in 1954

Defunct Airlines of Brazil

KLM Flight 633

Interesting Vid of why there were so many incidents with the inception of the Golden Age of Public Air Transport.

June 30 – The 1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision between United Airlines Flight 718, a DC-7 and TWA Flight 2, a Lockheed Constellation, over the Grand Canyon, kills all 128 aboard both aircraft; operating under Visual Flight Rules, the planes fail to see each other and collide; the Federal Aviation Administration is created in the aftermath. / 22:39

Thank you for the Links Ursus Minor.
 

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19th Century Shipwrecks Found During MH370 Search
2018-05-06 20:31:33
Two shipwrecks discovered 2,300 kilometers (1,430 miles) off the coast of Western Australia during the initial search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been identified as 19th Century merchant sailing vessels carrying cargoes of coal.

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MV Havila Harmony - Wikipedia

The sites provide tangible archaeological evidence for use of the historic Roaring 40s trade route for ships between Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, India, Southeast Asia, China and Japan.

The Western Australian Museum was asked by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) to analyze sonar and video data taken in international waters by the search vessels Fugro Equator and Havilah Harmony in May and December 2015. The work was undertaken by Dr Ross Anderson, Curator of Maritime Archaeology at the Museum.

“Both wrecks were found at depths between 3,700 and 3,900 meters (12,500 feet), roughly 36 kilometers (22 miles) apart. We used a combination of all of the data supplied by ATSB, historical research and maritime archaeological analyses to determine both wrecks were in fact 19th Century merchant sailing ships – one wooden and one iron – both carrying coal,” Anderson said.

The wooden sailing ship is estimated to have been in the 225-800 ton range. None of the hull structure or loose ship’s timbers were observed at the site, appearing to have totally degraded, leaving only the remains of the vessel’s coal cargo and metal objects such as fastenings, anchors and fittings.

“Most of the material widely scattered on the seabed consists of the remains of the coal cargo that spilled out of the hull prior to it striking the seabed,” Anderson said. “The evidence points to the ship sinking as a result of a catastrophic event such as explosion, which was common in the transport of coal cargoes.

“One very interesting find was a large rectangular metal object of six meters in length, which was the biggest feature discovered on the site. This was identified as a ship’s iron water tank.”

The second wreck was more intact, lying upright on the seabed. Sonar and video images enabled it to be identified as an iron sailing ship with at least two decks, between 1,000 and 1,500 tons. Deck rails and stanchions on the bow, and portholes at the stern were visible.

“Historical research into all 19th Century merchant ships that disappeared in international waters is incomplete, so we cannot conclusively determine identity of the individual ships,” Anderson said. “However, we can narrow the possibilities to some prime candidates based on available information from predominantly British shipping sources.

“For the wooden ship the brig W. Gordon and the barque Magdala are two possible candidates; for the iron ship the barques Kooringa (1894), Lake Ontario (1897) and West Ridge (1883) are possible, with the West Ridge best fitting the evidence.”

Both ships are likely to have carried crews of between 15 and 30 men. Sometimes captains traveled with their wives and children on international voyages, and both vessels may have carried additional passengers as well as cargo.

“Then, as now, the disappearance of so many lives would have had a devastating impact on maritime families and communities,” Anderson said.

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Feb 8, 2018 MV Fugro Equator

MV Fugro Equator - Wikipedia
In December 2017, Fugro Equator conducted a search for the submarine HMAS AE1 lost in 1914, possibly due to a diving accident,[7] off the Duke of York Islands. This expedition was funded by the Commonwealth Government and the Silentworld Foundation with additional assistance from the Submarine Institute of Australia and the Australian National Maritime Museum.[8][9] As a result of this effort, the submarine was found at a depth of 300 metres (980 ft) and was seen to be well preserved and in one piece.[8] The exact location of the wreck was not announced by the Australian government at the time of discovery, in order to protect it from "unauthorised salvage attempts". The government's stated position is that the wreck will be treated as a war grave.[10]

More information is available here.
 

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4 hours ago - May 14, 2018 - Experts think they've finally solved mystery of disappeared Malaysian Airlines flight MH370
Experts think they've finally solved mystery of disappeared Malaysian Airlines flight MH370

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Experts are now convinced they have finally uncovered what happened to the disappeared Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

Mystery has surrounded the doomed MH370, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers on board, since March 2014.

A panel of aviation experts have been working towards an explanation for the vanished Boeing 777, most of which was never found, as part of an investigation by Nine News in Australia.

Ex-Senior investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, Larry Vance, said: “I think the general public can take comfort in the fact there is a growing consensus on the plane’s final moments.”

Vance, and the other experts on the panel, all agree on the suspicion that MH370 captain – Zaharie Ahmad Shah – was attempting suicide.

They believe he selected a remote and isolated part of the route so the plane would disappear.

MH370 captain ‘deliberately evaded radar’ during final moments of doomed flight, according to experts
Captain Zaharie managed to evade detection by military radar belonging to either Thai or Malaysian forces, according to Boeing 777 pilot Simon Hardy.

“As the aircraft went across Thailand and Malaysia, it runs down the border, which is wiggling underneath, meaning it’s going in and out of those two countries, which is where their jurisdictions are,” Hardy told the programme.

He added that if he were hired to make Boeing 777 disappear, he would “do the exact same thing”.

“As far as I’m concerned, it’s very accurate flying because think it did the job and we know, as a fact, that the military did not come and intercept the aircraft,” he added.

John Dawson, a lawyer who represented the nine families whose relatives vanished from MH370 and MH17, agreed that evidence suggested one of the aircrew was responsible.

MH370 captain ‘deliberately evaded radar’ during final moments of doomed flight
He said: “The evidence is so heavily weighted to involvement by one of the aircrew taking this aircraft down.

“That aircraft has probably de-pressurised, the people died of asphyxiation, it was premeditated murder.

“It was highly planned. The bodies have never been found.”

This archive footage was released in October 2017. (Video)

Search for MH370 to be scrapped
The end of the fruitless hunt after almost three years means the world's greatest aviation mystery may never be solved.

Most of the MH370 wreckage has never been recovered.



14 May 2018 - MH370 Captain "deliberately evaded radar" during final moments of doomed flight
MH370 captain 'deliberately evaded radar' during final moments of doomed flight

Aviation experts believe they may have solved the mystery of the disappearance of flight MH370, saying the 239 passengers and crew were the victims of a deliberate, criminal act carried out by the plane’s captain.

The fate of the Boeing 777 has mystified investigators ever since it went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in 2014.

However, a panel of experts assembled for the Australian TV programme 60 Minutes says the evidence suggests Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah executed a careful series of manoeuvres to evade detection and ensure the plane disappeared in a remote location.

Martin Dolan, former head of the Australia Transport Safety Bureau, who led the two-year search for the missing plane, said: “This was planned, this was deliberate, and it was done over an extended period of time.”

The plane was presumed to have flown on autopilot before running out of fuel and plunging into the southern Indian Ocean. However, the wreckage has never been found and the search was suspended in January last year.

The panel suggested a more gradual descent could mean the search was concentrated in the wrong area and that the plane could still be found largely intact.

Simon Hardy, a Boeing 777 instructor, said Captain Zaharie avoided detection by flying a careful course along the winding border between Malaysian and Thai air space, crossing in and out of radar cover on either side.

“So both of the controllers aren’t bothered about this mysterious aircraft. Cause it’s, ‘Oh, it's gone. It’s not in our space any more,’” he told the programme, which was broadcast on Sunday.

The search for MH370

“If you were commissioning me to do this operation and try and make a 777 disappear, I would do exactly the same thing.”

He also pointed out the Malaysian captain had made an unexplained turn to fly over his home town of Penang.

“Somebody was looking out the window, It might be a long, emotional goodbye or a short, emotional goodbye to his home town,” he said.

Survey ship HMS Echo and a Lockheed P-3 Orion during the early days of the search in the southern Indian Ocean Credit: Press Association
Larry Vance, a veteran air crash investigator, told the programme the public could be confident in a growing consensus about the plane’s final moments and that the pilot was intent on killing himself.

“Unfortunately, he was killing everybody else on board, and he did it deliberately,” he added.

The pilot
Theories about the plane's disappearance being due to a “rogue pilot” emerged soon after the tragedy.

Malaysian officials said they believed the plane went missing after a “deliberate act” and confirmed the last words heard from the cockpit were "good night Malaysian three seven zero".

It’s unknown whether the sentence was spoken by Captain Zaharie or the co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid.

However no conclusive evidence has ever been found that one or both of the pilots deliberately steered the aircraft into the ocean.

An initial interim report into the mystery in 2015 looked closely at Captain Zaharie’s background and behaviour in the lead-up to the flight, but found his “ability to handle stress at work and home was good”.

The report also stated: “There was no known history of apathy, anxiety, or irritability. There were no significant changes in his lifestyle, interpersonal conflict or family stresses.”

Captain Zaharie's wife, Faizah Hanun, was questioned a number of times by the FBI and Malaysian police about her husband’s state of mind leading up to the flight.

The pair were reported to have split-up before the crash, although they were still living under the same roof in Kuala Lumpur.

A modern mystery | Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Speculation that Captain Zaharie may have brought the plane down as part of an elaborate insurance scam as also ruled out by the report, which found “no record of him having secured a life insurance policy."

Footage of the pilots and crew preparing to board the missing Boeing 777 again showed no untoward signs, with them appearing "well groomed and attired".

On Zaharie's behaviour investigators concluded: “The gait, posture, facial expressions and mannerism were his normal characteristics."

Disappearance
MH370 lost contact with Malaysian Airlines less than an hour after it took of from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12.41am on 8 March 2014. No distress signal or communication was sent after it disappeared.

MH370 flight path

The plane’s transponder, the instrument that communicates with ground radar, appeared to be shut down as it crossed from Malaysian to Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.

Initial investigations suggested the plane came down in the Indian Ocean south west of Australia, well out of its designated flight path.

When it went down the plane was carrying 12 Malaysian crew members and 227 passengers, including seven children.

The majority of those on board were Chinese and Malaysians but it was also carrying passengers from Iran, America, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

Malaysia Airlines said four passengers who checked in for the flight did not show up at the airport on the day.

‘Most expensive search in history’
The search for MH370 is thought to be the most expensive ever conducted.

The mystery over its last location has lead to a vast search area of nearly three million square miles being designated.

Since then Malaysian, Australian and Chinese teams have carried out underwater searches spanning 46,000 square miles in the southern Indian Ocean and found nothing.

Debris from MH370 has washed up in beaches along the coastline of Mozambique, Tanzania, Madagascar, Reunion Island and Mauritius. This has been attributed to the strength of the ocean’s currents rather than giving any clues as to MH370’s final resting place.

A report released by the Australian search agency in December advised that if the plane was not found in the existing zone it was most likely to be in a 9,653 square-mile to the north.

But after spending an estimated at £90 million, the three countries decided to wind down the investigation earlier this year.

Costs of searching for MH370 - D

The decision was met with dismay from the families' official support group, Voice 370. In a statement it said: “In our view, extending the search to the new area defined by the experts is an inescapable duty owed to the flying public in the interest of aviation safety.”


14 May 2018 - Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 crash was deliberate, aviation experts suggest (Video)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 crash was deliberate, aviation experts suggest

An investigation by an Australian TV news program suggests the pilot of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which disappeared with 239 people aboard more than four years ago, deliberately crashed into the Indian Ocean.

Investigators are still searching for the aircraft, but these findings raise the possibility that one of the greatest aviation mysteries in modern history may not have been a catastrophic accident, but instead a possible mass murder-suicide.

"60 Minutes Australia" brought together an international group of aviation experts who say that the disappearance of MH370 was a criminal act by veteran pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

"He was killing himself; unfortunately, he was killing everybody else on board, and he did it deliberately," said Canadian Air crash investigator Larry Vance.

Boeing 777 pilot and instructor Simon Hardy reconstructed the flight plan based on military radar, and says Captain Shah flew along the border of Malaysia and Thailand, crossing in and out of each country's airspace to avoid detection.

"It did the job," Hardy said, "because we know, as a fact, that the military did not come and intercept the aircraft."

Hardy also made a strange discovery: Captain Shah likely dipped the plane's wing over Penang, his hometown.

"Somebody was looking out the window," he suggested.

"Why did he want to look outside Penang?" asked reporter Tara Brown.

"It might be a long, emotional goodbye -- or a short, emotional goodbye," Hardy replied.

Two experts from the "60 Minutes Australia" investigation also disagreed with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau's scenario of the "death dive" with no one in control.

"I think someone was controlling the aircraft until the end," said Hardy.

They argue instead that Captain Shah flew Flight MH370 another 115 miles than originally thought. "This was a mission by one of the crew to hide the aircraft as far away from civilization as possible," Hardy said. "Which puts us way outside the search area that is currently being done."

The wreckage uncovered so far may be further evidence that the pilot actually had control and that it was not a high speed crash. As Larry Vance noted of one wing component recovered from the shore of Africa, "The front of it would be pressed in and hollow. The water would invade inside and it would just explode from the inside. So this piece would not even exist."

"They are very compelling," aviation analyst Henry Harteveldt, president of Atmosphere Research Group, told CBS News' Kris Van Cleave. "What I find very compelling is the hypothesis that the pilot did this deliberately, and did one of the most heinous acts in modern commercial aviation."

CBS News spoke to multiple family members of the MH370 victims, and some say that this is nothing new and that without forensic evidence, they will not be convinced.

Captain Shah's family tells CBS News that "pointing a finger toward him does not make them expert investigators – they have to find the plane."

Malaysia Airlines has not yet responded to our requests for comment.

To watch the full "60 Minutes Australia" report, "MH370: The Situation Room," click on the video player below.

MH370 - The Situation Room | 60 Minutes Australia by 60 Minutes Australia on YouTube


14 May 2018 - Disappearance of MH370 was 'planned and deliberate' (Video - 0:36 min.)
MH370 captain 'deliberately evaded radar' during final moments of doomed flight
 

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The new rather strange theory (also brought up above) that puts the blame for the missing plane on the pilot, as being "a mass murderer", seems to be based on pure speculation (and a pretty bad one at that). It is also disgusting in my book to even say such a thing without any hard proof. I feel sorry for the family of the pilot for having to endure such a load of BS based on nothing.
 

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The new rather strange theory (also brought up above) that puts the blame for the missing plane on the pilot, as being "a mass murderer", seems to be based on pure speculation (and a pretty bad one at that). It is also disgusting in my book to even say such a thing without any hard proof. I feel sorry for the family of the pilot for having to endure such a load of BS based on nothing.

Interestingly enough, this posibility was considered a while ago. Here's a discussion about it, for example.

But considering what the C's said, especially mentioning of Mossad, it reminds me of the Germanwings flight, and how the autopilot system was hijacked remotely. Although chronologically the Germanwings crash happened in 2015.

And there is also this:

July 19th 2014 said:
Q: (Chu) On the session when we talked about the interpreters and stuff, the plane {that disappeared, Flight 370}, if I understood correctly, was a message...

(L) It was a warning...

(Chu) To not go too far.

(L) And they've basically answered by saying, "Up yours!"

A: Yes.

The "Up yours!" part was about downing of flight MH17 above Ukraine in 2014. And the "warning" had to do with Crimea and Russia. So it is an interesting coincidence that the theory proposed by Larry Vance (that was already discussed couple of years ago) again gets a lot of attention, and now proposed as the final theory when Crimea's bridge is ready to go.

Add to this Skripal's incident and Mossad's involvment, and another massacre in Gaza, while Israel celebrated the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem, and it's like a giant "Up yours!" that isn't going to end well at all.
 

Ursus Minor

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What a narcissistic wound to all operators of state-of-the-art technologies. For years on end they have been trying every trick in the book to find a 300 ton airliner that went missing. No matter how they are trying to spin this story, the fact remains that despite all satellite imaging and undersea detection technologies, they couldn't deliver.

So, all the PTB's horses and all of their men won't be able to put their self-confidence back together again... :-(
 

c.a.

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What a narcissistic wound to all operators of state-of-the-art technologies. For years on end they have been trying every trick in the book to find a 300 ton airliner that went missing. No matter how they are trying to spin this story, the fact remains that despite all satellite imaging and undersea detection technologies, they couldn't deliver.

So, all the PTB's horses and all of their men won't be able to put their self-confidence back together again... :-(

I speculate that if MH-370 did indeed re-enter this density (by however means), and that if they can blast airline passenger liners via exotic space based WMD, that (conjecture), perhaps MV Fugro Equator made sure that any evidence was confiscated and destroyed.

And at those depth's what did they actually really do? And who could say other wise.

Fifty Five million dollars and buys a lot of silence. Plus if it was delivered by an agent of M*&^^^D saying we will be watching. And indicating that "they" can touch one with some help from the dark hats techno via the 4Dsts and maybe some 6Dsts Orion's mind control.

In this day and age is not anything possible.

Ends @ / 2:18
Australian ship picks up flight MH370 signals - GN Midday
Apr 7, 2014 Gulf News

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Ursus Minor

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...maybe some 6Dsts Orion's mind control.

I thought there were no 6-D STS beings - if my memory serves me well.

MH-370 may actually be reappearing in our density at some point in time, or it may keep on flying in an alternate reality for eons to come.
My understanding is that if it actually reappears, it might be at any point around the world.

It might do so over Moscow, which would be an inappropriate location for applying exotic space weapons... ;-)
 

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{quoting article}

Mystery has surrounded the doomed MH370, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers on board, since March 2014.
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Ex-Senior investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, Larry Vance, said: “I think the general public can take comfort in the fact there is a growing consensus on the plane’s final moments.”

Vance, and the other experts on the panel, all agree on the suspicion that MH370 captain – Zaharie Ahmad Shah – was attempting suicide.
[...]

Yes, case closed, the experts all agree.

By the way, the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) is often called, by some, the Transportation 'Speculation' Board of Canada. This Larry Vance was the assistant investigator in charge, not senior/lead as the quote infers, and that whole team was involved in a heck of a lot of speculating in 1998: Larry Vance Speaks with the CBC's Adrienne Arsenault on "The National" | Applied Informatics and Research Inc.

Vance related his experiences as a lead investigator of the Swissair 111 Accident that happened on September 2nd1998 near at Peggy’s Cove, Nova Scotia.

In that case during 1998, the lead RCMP police investigator (Srg. Juby) would have none of what this TSB team was selling as a narrative, and without proper evidence to back it up. Lance and that team (including other government agencies - especially his own and a number of top-shelf politicians or appointees) by orders, omissions, or plain outright knowledge, helped cover up the likely murder of 229 people, he says in his book.

That fact that this TSB fellow was on this MH-370 panel reflects a wave of a red flag in light of at least this older investigations.
 

c.a.

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Times Up: Private Search for Missing Flight MH370 Nearing Its End
By Angus Whitley and Anisah Shukry May 24, 2018 11:14 am
http://gcaptain.com/times-up-private-search-for-missing-flight-mh370-nearing-its-end/
(Bloomberg) — The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is in peril once again as new Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad reins in government spending.

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After several extensions of what began as a three-month “no cure, no fee” contract signed by U.S. exploration company Ocean Infinity in January, the government has given extra time until May 29 to wrap up the search for the jet missing since 2014, Transport Minister Anthony Loke Siew Fook told reporters on Wednesday.

Malaysia agreed to pay the firm as much as $70 million if it solves what has become modern aviation’s biggest mystery.

Ocean Infinity’s search vessel, Seabed Constructor, has already scoured 86,000 square kilometers of seabed in the southern Indian Ocean without success, according to the latest weekly report on the operation. That area includes the patch that investigators identified as the aircraft’s most likely resting place before the search was abandoned in 2017.

“We are approaching the end of the current search, and the weather also soon becomes a limiting factor, but we’re currently maximizing our efforts whilst we can,” a representative for Ocean Infinity said in an email.

The contract to find the jet is under review, Mahathir said earlier in the day after his first cabinet meeting.

“We want to know what is the necessity for this, and if we find that it is not necessary, we will not renew,” Mahathir, who returned to power in a shock election triumph this month, told reporters in Putrajaya. “We may terminate it if it’s not useful.”

The Boeing Co. 777 aircraft disappeared on March 8, 2014, on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board. Investigators tracked MH370’s route using satellite data and believe the plane headed south over the Indian Ocean for about six hours before plummeting into the water.
 
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