Man shot by officers flashed CIA card - Thoughts

[rognaill]

The person that posted the comment under the article noticed what I noticed regarding having a confirmed wife, and further down in the article had a fiance which he was about to be married. The car salesman also tells us he had many girlfriends whom he kept secrets from regarding his 'job' and apparently his marital status.

Some more contradictions in this article is if he was an high-up intelligence agent, why was he running his mouth off to people about it, bragging even. Do off duty super spies seem like the type that sit around getting a rise out of car salesman, if you are that engaged in security it would seem that one never really has any off time, days on end especially not. Having knives on you and a small cache of weapons does not seem like again, the type of behavior that one would expect from such a high level intellegence officer, there seems to be possibly a breakdown of his mental state if he was indeed whom he claimed he was, or perhaps there was no breaking down and he was just a big liar with too much time on his hands.

But then I think on the aspects of the story where he does have friends in an Association of Intelligence Officers which he was apparently was a member. He also seemed to show up at other events, and went out of his way to be photographed with certain officials, like the Police Chief of Houston, to perhaps to be able to show off a proof of his importance to people like the car salesman? Having a photo taken with a public official doesn't automatically guaruntee high level importance. The article doesn't mention what event the photo was taken at which may help in determining the 'high-levelness' of the fellow.

He was carrying a CIA id card, well Mexicans crossing the border illiterate also seem to be able to procure official looking cards, papers and certificates. No biggy on that one as well.

He would call his wife and say he was out of the country, but when did he have time to foster a relationship to the point of pre-marraige? Was it possibly when he was telling his wife he was out of the country, no reason to suspect anything if you think your super0spy husband is out saving the world thousands of miles away. Houston is massive and sprawling. Not much chance of running into people you know if you aren't in the same spot all the time.

Another contradiction is high level intellegence officers know the training of the locals, so why would you provoke them by speeding away and then again knowing how they are trained with dealing with possible nutters, act just like one by reaching for something while you have been ordered to do the opposite. The only people that run like that are criminals that know they have done something that warrants a severe outcome if found out. A CIA officer again, would seem to have better judgement based on the levels of filtration they subject officers to ensure that this exact type of situation doesn't occur.

The article on SOTT does not link back to the original article, and so I went to the chron.com myself to see if there were any visuals. And there were and an update which brings up even more points.

link to article update _http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5748085.html_

The cop that the suspect originally flashed his possible fake CIA creds was about to take him in for "impersonating a CIA agent" due to his nervousness. If the cop is to be believed, again this casts the fellow as not really having the training and knowledge an actual agent would. It would seem to me to take the ticket for speeding and be on my way. A speeding ticket is not the end of one's career.

The updated article also mentioned how the suspect called a contact within Internal Affairs at the Houston PD, and a contact at the FBI. These are interesting points as well.

The article then goes on to state that Carnaby was head of the "Assoc. of FORMER Intel Officers" which had been inactive for years and Carnaby volunteered himself to get it going again.

So the more one reads, the more this seems like a nutter with too much time on his hands living some movie character life and not spending much time in reality.

Or....

If I were tasked with collecting information, recruiting for other Intel agencies (non-US) I would do alot of the same thing he did. Make or in his case reactivate a dead Assoc to get a bunch of retired agents together to yap and talk about the good ol days, make a couple of friends in various agencies to trickle info out of or into for that matter and to be able to name drop, weasel my way into events where people of interest would be, and on and on.

That possibility does not come up in the various articles talking about the incident though, as if no one ever tries to infiltrate agencies in this country. People do things for all sorts of reasons I suppose, if they are even aware of it. That would seem to be the difference between an Agent and an Asset, one knows they are being played and the other never imagines it.

-R

 

[anart]

There are certainly a lot of inconsistencies in the story and reported behavior of the individual. At this point, there is no way to tell. For all we know, the 'car dealer' could be a plant and making up his story as well to give the impression the guy was a nutter - or his story could be true.

The only thing that seems certain at this point is that the official story is riddled with inconsistencies - whether those be because the man is a 'nutter' - or because he was an agent who had information best kept secret and thus was eliminated and 'deconstructed', it is difficult to tell at this point (and may never be known).

One point from your post, however, that might be corrected is the fact that 'Mexicans crossing the border', as you put it, are not necessarily illiterate, as you suggested - though they may not speak English. Illiteracy is the inability to comprehend the written word (usually in one's native language) - just to clarify.

 

[rognaill]

Anart,

Thanks for the response. And point taken on the illiteracy (from my own spelling mistakes I could even be considered as such) but I will qualify my statement regarding the Mexicans travelling north as not being a presumption but something I witness. I am in San Antonio which is often referred to as Northern Mexico (it was indeed such not that long ago!) and being so situated we see alot of the migrating Mexicans and recently Columbians, etc. I have neighbors that are not exactly 'legal' whom have houses, familes and jobs and are great friends to have. They talk frankly of the situation affecting many in Mexico and I would suppose the South American countries as well. There is a lack of schools and educational system infrastructure, especially in remote areas where many come from have not had any education and are illiterate in not just English but Spanish as well.

There are not many migrants leaving the cities where education is more available, the only time I bump into people here from such places (Monterrey, Mexico City, etc.) are in airports while they are on holiday to the States. Education does differentiate there as well as here.

And to address the article topic again, I thought that the cover story laid out by the car salesman was very convienent and also passionate. And to be a bit pragmatic to the human condition these days, who doesn't want to believe that James Bond has decided to confide in you our dirty little secrets as that can make one feel special, if they yearn or have a need to be special that is. Wouldn't that boast your own image amonst your peer to be able to say you have a buddy that is a spy and hey, you know this and that for a fact. Wouldn't that same salesman feel stupid if Carnaby is just a loser with too much time on his hands and a pathological liar? Perhaps this is teh very reason he was chosen to be 'be-friended' was this was recognized as someone that could be shaped into a unwitting participant in the 'nutters' lies?

In the followup article that I pasted the link to, it is interesting that the arresting officer was ordered to arrest him, find something other than speeding. So maybe yes he had dirt on someone in Houston, and was targeted but as the arresting officer stated, why would an intelligence officer need to apply for a concealed permit.

Thanks again to all those that dig for articles like these. They all seem to link together in a way, the nazi tormentor in Austria came to mind in how he had fed his actual wife a line of sh-t for so long to cover his actual deceptive actions, same with Caranby's wife insisting yes he was a secret agent man of 30 years infact. 30 years of possible lies, one part of me feels for both wives and then another has no empathy for thier ignorance.

Cheers,
-R