Please, compare these two explosions, they are, I think so, similar. The plume, specially....
Massive explosion reported in Chinese city of Tianjin
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Niall said:
In the video mabar posted here, at about 02:14 in the video:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39259.msg595325/topicseen.html#quickreply
When you look at it frame by frame it looks like something very bright enters from outside very fast, which then causes the second huge explosion. The second explosion looks quite similar to the west texas one because of that initial flash that seems to come from outside, as far as I can see. But because it seems to happen so fast (similar to the west texas one) it is hard to tell if the bright flash "from outside" happened first or not. For me it loos like it. Some ultra slow videos of the second explosion might help to figure that out.
Also, if you compare the first explosion with the second one in the different angels, the second one seems to be much brighter, because the brightness of the explosion and/or the initial flash dazzled the cameras much more.
It is also seen in other angels.
Perceval said:
Reminds me of these excerpts from the Cs sessions:
28th May 2013
21st December 2012
There does appear to be a distinct white/bluish 'electrical type' flash just prior to the massive second explosion. It seems to be best viewed on the RAW video footage from RT around the 0:18 second mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=SZDStWwx-jk
From the RT interview with UK fire and safety expert John Williamson yesterday:
I think safety systems are going to need a major overhaul (if that were even possible) given the increasing intensity and variety of explosions around the world we are currently witnessing. For instance, this week a giant crater was left behind after a lightning strike caused an explosion of an underground fuel storage tank in the US - the very fact it is 'underground' was considered a prime safety design factor, which in this case proved wholly ineffective.
As the local Fire Chief said
http://www.sott.net/article/299752-Giant-crater-left-behind-after-lightning-strikes-underground-fuel-tank
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The behavior of the explosions reminds me about two different kinds of possible materials. The bright and orange color of the flames indicate that this could be a military grade explosive like the good old C4, but the long lasting fireball doesn't make sense then, even if the explosive only partially blew off.
The second one is indeed ammonia nitrate. Both, the color, slow shockwave, long burning flames, the smoke an several explosion steps seems to be typical for this stuff.
You can compare different kind of explosions (gaseous and solid stuff) here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On2jbcMXhtY
And this is how ammonia nitrate behaves under heat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxKXAbS7WAo
It also resembles the Texas fertilizer plant explosion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-zI84TYnCI
It seems that the fire caused the first batch to explode, destroying several other containers, the heat melted the ammonia nitrate until it decomposed and exploded, then the shockwave worked as the ignition to make the the stuff near it explode too (the little explosion short before the huge one), destroying everything whats left, probably some other still intact containers and the last huge blast was what was left.
Really looks like a scene from hell.
The second one is indeed ammonia nitrate. Both, the color, slow shockwave, long burning flames, the smoke an several explosion steps seems to be typical for this stuff.
You can compare different kind of explosions (gaseous and solid stuff) here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On2jbcMXhtY
And this is how ammonia nitrate behaves under heat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxKXAbS7WAo
It also resembles the Texas fertilizer plant explosion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-zI84TYnCI
It seems that the fire caused the first batch to explode, destroying several other containers, the heat melted the ammonia nitrate until it decomposed and exploded, then the shockwave worked as the ignition to make the the stuff near it explode too (the little explosion short before the huge one), destroying everything whats left, probably some other still intact containers and the last huge blast was what was left.
Really looks like a scene from hell.
Yeah, the fact that the site was storing ammonium nitrate makes it a bit too coincidental to not look back at the West, Texas explosion where ammonium nitrate was also housed. Question is, if it was a meteorite fragment, highly charged, what is it that makes such things attracted to ammonium nitrate??
Perceval said:
Well, googling different things suggests comets (and their ionized tail) contain ammonia, methane and nitrogen (among other things).
Does laying a trail in the atmosphere of ammonia/nitrogen/methane create the same ionized path, and the fragments then travel along it like a lightning rod?
That is, the fragment should be considered purely electrical - hence traveling to the source (they don't just 'fall' to earth, they steer).
That may also suggest that comets lay paths for electrical currents and other fragments to travel along.
I wonder if sink holes and out gassing can also act as an attractor? fwiw
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Perceval said:
So for example ammonium nitrate, as one of possible substances that could explode there, has corrosive and reactive properties, and tends to build up a static charge, unless this is prevented by proper storage and a special attention must be paid during loading and manipulation. If things go wrong, a storage tank would become a perfect attractor, I think.
https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9755
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-anfo.htm
Perceval said:
It does appear that the storage of ammonium nitrate in both incidents is quite significant (this particular chemical compound also caused the Toulouse factory explosion in September 2001, the deadliest industrial accident in U.S. history in April 1947 explosion in Texas City, Texas that killed at least 581 people and numerous other accidents worldwide). In both cases too, there is an initial fire which preceded the two massive explosions - just before what appears to be a 'flash' (electrical discharge perhaps?).
Although it is used mainly in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, this compound is also used as an explosive. According to wikipedia, the two major classes of incidents resulting in explosions are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate
A deflagration may simply be a flash fire, but in contrast, a detonation may have characteristics of "supersonic flame propagation velocities" and "substantial overpressures" which may cause powerful shock waves - as evidenced in the videos of both incidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflagration_to_detonation_transition
It may be simplistic, but just as we are witnessing increasing chaos on a societal level (earth changes / geo-political policies etc) - are such 'unstable' and 'chaotic' manifestations occurring increasingly at a molecular scale?
There does seem to be more volatility in other chemical compounds such as petrol (gasoline) - with related incidents involving car, boat, truck and storage tank explosions growing, at least to my own observations. Although increased electrical discharges in the atmosphere may be the predominant cause of ignition in some of these cases, perhaps the fundamental characteristics of some substances are changing too?
I don't understand enough about the ionization process yet, and how a meteor fragment may be an attracted to this compound; despite having looked at Pierre's book again today (ECHCC). But, the book does mention that cometary discharges do exhibit two major differences when compared to 'normal' lightning bolts - in that their polarity is reversed and the intensity can be higher.
Could it be therefore, that just as lightning can be the cause of ignition of outgassed methane for example (some Canadian wildfires); when exposed to sufficient heat transfer (the initial fires) ammonium nitrate undergoes molecular changes, the effect of which can attract a corresponding electrical discharge (cometary / plasma) - which is the means of detonation resulting in these highly concentrated and powerful explosions?
stellar said:
Yes it seems so, because in this video report:
http://6abc.com/news/new-video-emerges-of-massive-explosion-in-tianjin-china/927125/
it is stated that an american with the name Daniel Van Duren "started recording a fire that erupted from the sky... Daniel Van Duren was watching some shooting stars on top of a 33 story building, when this first explosion hit..."
So the guy who filmed that explosion was on top of that building because he watched shooting stars in the sky.
Two camera angels seem to show that bright light entering from outside, just before the second explosion hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUbic-WIDQY
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33892345
All the other videos I could find, are either too close to the explosion, or not of the best quality, to make out where the initial flash of the second explosion came from.
I've made two slow motion videos of both of this videos:
It indeed looks like the second explosion was fueled by a bright light entering from outside...
In a similar way as it was seen in the West Texas explosion:
I would tend to agree in normal circumstances. But as they feel or see their empire crumbling, their considerable efforts in 'poking the Russian bear' thwarted (by the extraordinary responses of Putin and his advisers), maybe it is time for them to 'kick the Chinese dragon'? They cannot see the consequences of their actions, that being their psychopathic nature, so they can't think rationally. So, even if not in this particular case, I think it likely at some point, that they could easily engage in a desperate course of action, and update their usual modus operandi, in a manner we would consider utterly insane. Better to 'expect the unexpected' as it were.
Anam Cara said:
I see where you're going in terms of things 'lining up' from above and below, but would point out that chemical plants, power plants, transformers, fuel storage facilities, and even petrol/gas stations and oil-transport trains have been blowing up left, right and center. So I don't think this is specific to ammonium nitrate/fertilizer.
Pashalis said:
I think that's a bit of a leap. That flash, in the presence of an already massive burning fire, that appears a fraction of a second before a massive explosion, isn't conclusive evidence of anything. As ammonium nitrate or other chemcial explodes, you would expect to see a flash at the moment of detonation.
Niall said:
I agree. The main point I was trying to make is that of all these various facilities blowing up - some (as the ammonium nitrate/fertilizer incidents) may be much more 'intense' with reverse polarity electrical discharges (detonation) compared with other types of explosions / fires with 'less intense' means of ignition, like lightning or conventional fire (deflagration).
What I am trying to determine is whether there are specific characteristics / qualities of 'attraction', whereby we can differentiate between what may be two different atmospheric based electrical sources of ignition.
Perceval said:
Yeah... I'm not an expert in how explosions like that behave, so it can very well be that the flash first seemingly coming "from outside", is just a normal ignation phenomena for example, from the gases that were already released, as others have suggested.
But there is still a quite similar behaviour pattern to the West Texas explosion and this second explosion IMO. First fire/explosion then realsing of stuff into the air and then a bright flash "from outside" before the big bang. What that flash actually is, is not really clear. So yes, it is a bit of a leap that it could be comet or something like that.
