Massive explosion reported in Chinese city of Tianjin

[mabar]

Could it be therefore, that just as lightning can be the cause of ignition of outgassed methane for example (some Canadian wildfires); when exposed to sufficient heat transfer (the initial fires) ammonium nitrate undergoes molecular changes, the effect of which can attract a corresponding electrical discharge (cometary / plasma) - which is the means of detonation resulting in these highly concentrated and powerful explosions?

I see where you're going in terms of things 'lining up' from above and below, but would point out that chemical plants, power plants, transformers, fuel storage facilities, and even petrol/gas stations and oil-transport trains have been blowing up left, right and center. So I don't think this is specific to ammonium nitrate/fertilizer.

I agree. The main point I was trying to make is that of all these various facilities blowing up - some (as the ammonium nitrate/fertilizer incidents) may be much more 'intense' with reverse polarity electrical discharges (detonation) compared with other types of explosions / fires with 'less intense' means of ignition, like lightning or conventional fire (deflagration).

What I am trying to determine is whether there are specific characteristics / qualities of 'attraction', whereby we can differentiate between what may be two different atmospheric based electrical sources of ignition.

Yesterday, I was reading/searching/getting lost, about that kind of path, but since I am way too far ignorant about such terms, concepts, technical information, knowledge etc, did not reach to any conclusive,

Either way was interesting to know about rare earth elements/metals; more about neodymium because it is used in magnetos to find micrometeorites and, China is the dominant producer of rare earth metals. Ended up reading articles like this : Distribution of rare earth elements in sewage-irrigated soil profiles in Tianjin, China,or this one: China Rare Earth: WTO Trouble Triggers Environmental Cleanup

 

[Mikey]

Here is a good video about different types of explosions: Detonation vs. Deflagration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHRX7iIAQs

 

[MusicMan]

Another possible source of ignition could arise from loading procedures, friction, heat or electrostatic discharge in the chutes, tubes or pipes or even conveyor belts used in the transporting process.
It may depend on the materials used to make those. eg plastics can generate electrostatic discharges, which can be grounded by metallic containers.

Even simple human error, or sabotage could be the culprit.
You don't have to speculate on cosmic influence or earth changes too much.

 

[Gary]

Here is a good video about different types of explosions: Detonation vs. Deflagration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHRX7iIAQs

Thanks Data, it was an interesting video.

 

[Turgon]

Just came across this article on Natural News claiming they received information from Chinese dissidents that the explosion was an attack by the US using a space based weapon called the "Rod of God" in response to China dropping the Yuan. They are also claiming that there is a total ban on information being allowed in and out of Tianjin and that the Chinese government is going to declare martial law sometime in the next 18 days.

Although if they are dissidents that are leaking this information I can't help but wonder if they are connected to some US backed NGO...

I'm using my cellphone to post this so I can't copy and paste excerpts from the article.

http://m.naturalnews.com/news/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

 

[Kisito]

http://stopmensonges.com/revelation-aucun-entrepot-se-trouve-a-lepicentre-de-lexplosion/

the explosion did not occur in chemical warehouses

 

[A Jay]

Just came across this article on Natural News claiming they received information from Chinese dissidents that the explosion was an attack by the US using a space based weapon called the "Rod of God" in response to China dropping the Yuan. They are also claiming that there is a total ban on information being allowed in and out of Tianjin and that the Chinese government is going to declare martial law sometime in the next 18 days.

Although if they are dissidents that are leaking this information I can't help but wonder if they are connected to some US backed NGO...

I'm using my cellphone to post this so I can't copy and paste excerpts from the article.

http://m.naturalnews.com/news/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

From one section:

Martial law will be declared across Beijing in the coming days, dissidents have told Natural News.

That's a pretty big deal, so how are they supposed to have found out about it days in advance? Who are these 'dissidents' exactly?

Local police raids have already begun at the locations of bloggers and independent journalists who have attempted to report true stories on what really happened at Tianjin. The Chinese government is engaged in a total cover-up.

Natural News has learned that the Chinese government is now setting up roadside checkpoints near and around both Tianjin and Beijing. Additional security measures now in place to control the movement of people include:

• All hotels are reporting details of visitors to the government, including passport numbers, nationalities, names and phone calls made from the rooms.

• Tourists who don't stay in hotels are now required to register with local police or risk arrest. The Chinese government has mandated that it must know the location of every person at all times.

• Red armbands are now being worn by workers to indicate they are serving as Stasi-like obedient police snitches. The red armbands indicate total obedience to the government, and the workers wearing them have all been trained in how to spot dissident behavior. It's China's version of "If you see something, say something" just as was pushed in the United States.

• In preparation for China's Sep. 3 celebration for the defeat of Japanese occupation -- it's the 70th anniversary -- China has banned Japanese writing in most of its large cities. Government propaganda runs 24/7, condemning the Japanese and the horrifying war crimes committed by Japanese soldiers against China. (It's true, the Japanese committed unimaginable atrocities such as mass-raping women and then chopping them into pieces with machetes to destroy the "evidence.")

• Helicopter patrols are now routinely witnessed across Beijing and Tianjin, where military choppers are flying in formation as a show of strength.

• Massive populations of laborers are now living in underground cities, underneath the clean, high-tech buildings of Beijing that seem like world-class architectural achievements. But underneath them, an entire class of sickly, impoverished laborers lives like rats, with very little food, poor sanitation and no sunlight.

Is anyone else scratching their heads at some of these claims?

 

[Mike]

Is anyone else scratching their heads at some of these claims?

I am. You know after reading it today, thinking about it off and on and then reviewing the parts posted above what this article reminds me of, yet not as drastic, is Sorcha Faal. Some pretty extraordinary claims with little to no evidence.

 

[Windmill knight]

Is anyone else scratching their heads at some of these claims?

I am. You know after reading it today, thinking about it off and on and then reviewing the parts posted above what this article reminds me of, yet not as drastic, is Sorcha Faal. Some pretty extraordinary claims with little to no evidence.

Whenever I read an article making amazing revelations based on anonymous sources, I dismiss it as disinfo almost automatically, and I felt the same about this one. However, there is one thing that caught my eye, and it appears also in the link posted by Kisito. It is this picture:

I was quite impressed by the apparent depth of that crater. It looks like it is the same crater from this wider angle:

So my question is: can an explosion of chemical materials stored at ground level create a crater like that? Wouldn't the energy of the explosion follow the path of least resistance, i.e. upwards and sideways, leaving a relatively shallow crater? Does anyone know?

 

[Turgon]

Just came across this article on Natural News claiming they received information from Chinese dissidents that the explosion was an attack by the US using a space based weapon called the "Rod of God" in response to China dropping the Yuan. They are also claiming that there is a total ban on information being allowed in and out of Tianjin and that the Chinese government is going to declare martial law sometime in the next 18 days.

Although if they are dissidents that are leaking this information I can't help but wonder if they are connected to some US backed NGO...

I'm using my cellphone to post this so I can't copy and paste excerpts from the article.

http://m.naturalnews.com/news/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

From one section:

Martial law will be declared across Beijing in the coming days, dissidents have told Natural News.

That's a pretty big deal, so how are they supposed to have found out about it days in advance? Who are these 'dissidents' exactly?

Local police raids have already begun at the locations of bloggers and independent journalists who have attempted to report true stories on what really happened at Tianjin. The Chinese government is engaged in a total cover-up.

Natural News has learned that the Chinese government is now setting up roadside checkpoints near and around both Tianjin and Beijing. Additional security measures now in place to control the movement of people include:

• All hotels are reporting details of visitors to the government, including passport numbers, nationalities, names and phone calls made from the rooms.

• Tourists who don't stay in hotels are now required to register with local police or risk arrest. The Chinese government has mandated that it must know the location of every person at all times.

• Red armbands are now being worn by workers to indicate they are serving as Stasi-like obedient police snitches. The red armbands indicate total obedience to the government, and the workers wearing them have all been trained in how to spot dissident behavior. It's China's version of "If you see something, say something" just as was pushed in the United States.

• In preparation for China's Sep. 3 celebration for the defeat of Japanese occupation -- it's the 70th anniversary -- China has banned Japanese writing in most of its large cities. Government propaganda runs 24/7, condemning the Japanese and the horrifying war crimes committed by Japanese soldiers against China. (It's true, the Japanese committed unimaginable atrocities such as mass-raping women and then chopping them into pieces with machetes to destroy the "evidence.")

• Helicopter patrols are now routinely witnessed across Beijing and Tianjin, where military choppers are flying in formation as a show of strength.

• Massive populations of laborers are now living in underground cities, underneath the clean, high-tech buildings of Beijing that seem like world-class architectural achievements. But underneath them, an entire class of sickly, impoverished laborers lives like rats, with very little food, poor sanitation and no sunlight.

Is anyone else scratching their heads at some of these claims?

Another part of the article where it talks about this supposed weapon had this to say about it.

When instructed from the ground, the targeting satellite commands its partner to drop one of its darts. The guided rods enter the atmosphere, protected by a thermal coating, traveling at 36,000 feet per second--comparable to the speed of a meteor. The result: complete devastation of the target, even if it's buried deep underground.

This could also be a way to keep hidden actual meteor strikes that devastate populated areas by inserting the idea that this kind of weaponry exists and would look exactly like a meteor if used. Like Victor Clube said "We do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions; rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions!"

 

[Joe]

So my question is: can an explosion of chemical materials stored at ground level create a crater like that? Wouldn't the energy of the explosion follow the path of least resistance, i.e. upwards and sideways, leaving a relatively shallow crater? Does anyone know?

Look up "car bomb crater" on google images for comparison. Depending on the size of the bomb, it can leave a rather large crater. Question in this case though is, how deep is that crater?

 

[Mr.Cyan]

So my question is: can an explosion of chemical materials stored at ground level create a crater like that? Wouldn't the energy of the explosion follow the path of least resistance, i.e. upwards and sideways, leaving a relatively shallow crater? Does anyone know?

Look up "car bomb crater" on google images for comparison. Depending on the size of the bomb, it can leave a rather large crater. Question in this case though is, how deep is that crater?

Yeah, as I was looking at the pics posted from Windmill Knight - thought that it is a rather deep-looking and ominous crater. Reminded me a bit about the holes in Siberia, that were outgassing explosions...but in those holes, the crater rims were more defined (at least in aerial pics).

Also I think, a chemically induced/caused blast leaving a deeper crater is possible, but then the concentration of chemicals would have to be extremely dense, large and packed in one place... what are the odds of a fireball being attracted exactly to this spot ? I think Perceval speculated this previously as well with regards to Ammonium nitrate as a possible attractor of fireballs.... perhaps possible due to its charge/ electrical potential and interaction with the incoming bolide...hmmmmm

 

[Ruth]

So my question is: can an explosion of chemical materials stored at ground level create a crater like that? Wouldn't the energy of the explosion follow the path of least resistance, i.e. upwards and sideways, leaving a relatively shallow crater? Does anyone know?

I'm wondering if that crater you're looking at is a lake and not the place where the explosion happened? I guess it would depend on if that feature was there prior to the explosion and/or how much water fire fighters poured onto the blaze, as well as how the chemical that exploded were stored, if they were underground or not. It was a huge explosion!

 

[Cosmos]

Here is a close up:

Source:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/08/15/china-riesenkrater-und-neue-explosionen-in-tianjin/

 

[RedFox]

So my question is: can an explosion of chemical materials stored at ground level create a crater like that? Wouldn't the energy of the explosion follow the path of least resistance, i.e. upwards and sideways, leaving a relatively shallow crater? Does anyone know?

Look up "car bomb crater" on google images for comparison. Depending on the size of the bomb, it can leave a rather large crater. Question in this case though is, how deep is that crater?

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/photos/aerial-photos-huge-crater-400-metres-wide-found-tianjin-blast-site-3738-slide-27358

Crater at Tianjin Blast site has a depth of 7.5 metres & a width of 400 metres.
credit: News.CN