Mirena IUD?

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
The way I consider it is the following: having a period is a natural process, so why do some contraceptives try and erase that fact? For 'convenience'? But if it's a natural process, it must serve some purpose. A woman's body gets rid of a lot of stuff (notably toxins) during menstruation. So I don't think it's a good solution to completely suppress it
This was my concern also..
My blood procent (Danish term of it, not sure it applies in English) to be quite high, around 8,5%, not alarmingly high, I don't know if it's caused by missing monthly bleeding. It did save my life though, when I had an unwanted miscarriage, and almost bled to death.

I don't suffer from any of the sideeffects many women write about, I just don't bleed.

I'm not ready to give up my Mirena just yet, I need to still look further into it.
 
Helle said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
The way I consider it is the following: having a period is a natural process, so why do some contraceptives try and erase that fact? For 'convenience'? But if it's a natural process, it must serve some purpose. A woman's body gets rid of a lot of stuff (notably toxins) during menstruation. So I don't think it's a good solution to completely suppress it
This was my concern also..
My blood procent (Danish term of it, not sure it applies in English) to be quite high, around 8,5%, not alarmingly high, I don't know if it's caused by missing monthly bleeding. It did save my life though, when I had an unwanted miscarriage, and almost bled to death.

I don't suffer from any of the sideeffects many women write about, I just don't bleed.

I'm not ready to give up my Mirena just yet, I need to still look further into it.

I can understand this due to the concerns you mentioned before about more children - plus, your doctor has to insert/remove Mirena IUD, right?

I'm thinking about going ahead and stopping mine after this cycle. I discussed some of the health concerns with my boyfriend - I still plan on doing more research - but he said even he would rather use a condom than have me take something that could be putting my health at risk.

Also, this thread made me realize that taking my birth control may have just masked something my body was trying to tell me with my painful, heavy periods, so I will be doing some research about that as well over the next few weeks before I come off my birth control.

By the way, Helle, I am so glad you started this thread as it prompted me to finally start looking into this which I have been meaning to do for a while!
 
Hi Helle,

I definitely have a bias toward natural means so you can take this post fwiw.

Although most of the evidence is antectdotal and there have been just one study with mixed results Queen Anne's Lace, or wild carrot, has been used throughout the ages as birth control. It may be something worth adding to your investigation. Here a link: ///http://robinrosebennett.com/wild_carrot%20article.htm

I wish I could say that I've used it myself with good result but at the moment there is no need. :) Maybe in the future.

I could be way off but it seems that you are a bit identified with this device just because you referred to it as "my Mirena". Is there certain information that would sway you in one way or the other? Some a-ha moment that you're waiting for?

Again, fwiw.
 
Brenda86 said:
By the way, Helle, I am so glad you started this thread as it prompted me to finally start looking into this which I have been meaning to do for a while!
I hope you guys find a solution that fits you :) I read somewhere, that some time ago in human history, women could decide whether they wanted to get pregnant or not, I don't know if it's true, but I sure would like to know how to do that!

Odyssey said:
I could be way off but it seems that you are a bit identified with this device just because you referred to it as "my Mirena". Is there certain information that would sway you in one way or the other? Some a-ha moment that you're waiting for?
I call it my Mirena, because it's what I'm using atm, opposed to the pill or any of the other birthcontrol thingies outthere.
If somehow I came to the conclusion, that the hormone in Mirena was poison to my body, then I would certainly have it removed, but so far I'm not convinced that it does alot of harm to everyone using it.
IF I had sideeffects that I wasn't comfortable with, then I naturally wouldn't use it!

I read in the link Odyssey provided this :
3. Women have been using Dc seeds to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg for at least 2000 years. The earliest written reference known is from Hippocrates, who described it as an abortive in the 4th or 5th century B.C.E. (before common era). Information on Dc for implantation prevention was recorded by Dioscorides, Scribonius, Largus, Marcellius Empiricus, and Pliny the Elder who called it an emmenagogue and noted that "4 footed animals will not eat it, except after a miscarriage." 1
I'm don't really like the fact, that an egg IS fertilized at all, as I get an immediate reaction in my body, upon fertilization. I know it might sound silly..I have been pregnant 5 times, so I know.
 
Helle said:
I'm don't really like the fact, that an egg IS fertilized at all, as I get an immediate reaction in my body, upon fertilization. I know it might sound silly..I have been pregnant 5 times, so I know.

Ultimately, you have to do what's right for you and what you feel is best.
 
Just decided to start looking again for more information. I actually discontinued my birth control a little over 2 weeks ago now as I decided I wanted to better understand the risks before continuing use since I have other options available.

But I found this article. I'd been wondering about the risk of cancer in relation to birth control use due to the controversy with hormone replacement therapy. The first article I came across was: (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52585)

'Pill' causes breast cancer?
'Measurable and statistically significant' connection confirmed


A new study from the Mayo Clinic has concluded that there is "a measurable and statistically significant" connection between the pill and pre-menopausal breast cancer, re-enforcing the recent classification of oral contraceptives as Type 1 carcinogens.

That ruling from the International Agency for Cancer Research was supported by the report published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings this month that comes even as Breast Cancer Awareness Month is being highlighted by pink ribbons, pink soup cans and other promotional devices.

However, the study that found that the risk association was 44 percent over baseline among women who had been pregnant who took oral contraceptives prior to their first pregnancy has been, to a large degree, ignored by many media organizations.

The report, "Oral Contraceptive use as a Risk Factor for Pre-menopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis," was authored by Dr. Chris Kahlenborn of the Altoona, Pa., Hospital's internal medicine department and others.

Kahlenborn said the results mean that, following standards of informed consent, "women must be apprised of the potential risk of pre-menopausal breast cancer prior to commencing drug use."

The study, which is available online through the Mayo Clinic or at the Polycarp Research Institute, is a meta-analysis of that sometimes-fatal link.

Dr. Kahlenborn focused on the younger, pre-menopausal women who had been on the pill before having their first child. He found 21 of 23 studies showed a connection between the pill and cancer, something that certainly should be alarming women.

However, as Andrea Mrozek, manager of research and communications for the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada, noted in an article.

"Perhaps it is because the pill has long been the darling of feminists – a veritable icon of female empowerment. In some circles, suggesting the pill might kill you is seen as tantamount to issuing a press release that women belong in the kitchen."

Mrozek noted that Queen's University professor Samantha King commented just a few weeks ago that people are not asking "the hard questions about whether we're spending [breast cancer research money] in the right way."

That's because, she noted, incidence rates "have remained stubbornly high … a woman's lifetime risk of breast cancer was one in 22 in the 1940s, but by 2004, it was one in seven."

The evidence already documented "is a trumpet call for further research," Mrozek said. "Until then, young women seeking birth control should be told of the 44 percent increased risk in order to make their own decisions."

Kahlenborn's study looked at dozens of case-control and cohort studies and several other meta-analyses to reach his conclusions.

"Of course things have changed, including OC formulations, the epidemiology of breast cancer, and patterns of use of OCs in the population," the summary noted. "For example, the dosage of estrogen has decreased, new progestins (eg. desogestrel and norgestimate) have been introduced, the hormone-free interval has been shortened, and new delivery systems have become available."

"From the perspective of epidemiology and public health, we must continue to closely follow the epidemiology of OC use and health outcomes, given the widespread use of these agents and their high potential to impact women's health," the report said. "The current study highlights the need for a close evaluation of OC use before first full-term pregnancy since this is an important biologic issue with clear clinical and public health implications."
 
I'm not sure what sort of firestorm I will unleash with this observation, but it seems to me that in relationships where a couple has decided that having children is not an option ever, the man should simply have a vasectomy. Whatever health risks might be associated with that procedure are far less than any of the known and unknown risks to the woman through the various forms of contraception available to her. If a male wishes to enjoy a sexual relationship with his partner and both partners are clear about wanting no further children, this, at least to me, seems the most considerate choice. For those who are young or undecided or planning on having children, condoms seem the least harmful choice, but as well-voiced in this thread, they are imperfect, so the risk of pregnancy will always be present alongside the decision to potentially have children. Might indeed happen any time! The one chord which seems consistently struck in this thread, at least to me, is how much attention to detail & responsibility the females are applying, and how absent is input & consideration from the males. I might also argue that ANY male who does not want children ought to have this procedure in order to relieve all future partners of anxiety and concern. My 2 cents & apologies in advance for any offense.
 
thevenusian said:
I'm not sure what sort of firestorm I will unleash with this observation, but it seems to me that in relationships where a couple has decided that having children is not an option ever, the man should simply have a vasectomy. Whatever health risks might be associated with that procedure are far less than any of the known and unknown risks to the woman through the various forms of contraception available to her. If a male wishes to enjoy a sexual relationship with his partner and both partners are clear about wanting no further children, this, at least to me, seems the most considerate choice. For those who are young or undecided or planning on having children, condoms seem the least harmful choice, but as well-voiced in this thread, they are imperfect, so the risk of pregnancy will always be present alongside the decision to potentially have children. Might indeed happen any time! The one chord which seems consistently struck in this thread, at least to me, is how much attention to detail & responsibility the females are applying, and how absent is input & consideration from the males. I might also argue that ANY male who does not want children ought to have this procedure in order to relieve all future partners of anxiety and concern. My 2 cents & apologies in advance for any offense.

Yes. My boyfriend had actually considered it at one point because he didn't want to have children. But we are currently undecided. Of course, we have no plans to have children in the immediate future. But when I started telling him about there being other possible risks associated with my previous form of birth control, he was all for me stopping it and us just using condoms if we were going to be intimate.

Of course, I have been in relationships in the past with less supportive partners and have friends who are not so fortunate either. And I do feel like there should be more equal responsibility in these types of matters. Often there is not.
 
Brenda said:
Of course, I have been in relationships in the past with less supportive partners and have friends who are not so fortunate either. And I do feel like there should be more equal responsibility in these types of matters. Often there is not.
I agree.. unfortunately my husband refuses to have this done, I'm not sure yet how I feel about this. I understand his concerns, but maybe he should start to consider my concerns too.
 
thevenusian said:
... The one chord which seems consistently struck in this thread, at least to me, is how much attention to detail & responsibility the females are applying, and how absent is input & consideration from the males. ...

Yep, I noticed that also. I did the deed back in 1983. The procedure is probably much "easier" now, yes? Whenever I mention a vasectomy to a male friend, I see sweat on their brow, a nervous twitching, rolling of the eyes, a deep breath, and then usually I hear them say, with a guttural groan, "EeeUuuWww".
(edit addition: As the guy grabs his crotch for protection)

Guys, ponder this...

[quote author=thevenusian]Whatever health risks might be associated with that procedure are far less than any of the known and unknown risks to the woman through the various forms of contraception available to her.
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It was only a quick "snip", "snip", and I was on my way, under my own power. Piece of cake, so to say... Yep, easier than going to the dentist, to me anyway...

But you gotta KNOW fer sure...

... If a male wishes to enjoy a sexual relationship with his partner and both partners are clear about wanting no further children, this, at least to me, seems the most considerate choice. ...

ME TOO
 
Helle, Did you ever find out anymore information about the Mirena?
Does anyone know if it's worse for 0 RH- bloodtypes?
I'm looking for searchable facts...


Helle said:
Psyche said:
Helle said:
The sites discussing the sideeffects are very scary. I guess I shouldn't read those sites, as I'm well over the side effects I naturally had the frist 6 months after insertion.
I wish I really really knew what it does to my body :huh:

Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.
Indeed :) I'll look into gathering some more knowledge on this topic, and then see if I can conclude anything from that.
So far I'm not much wiser, but alot more confused.
 
LadyRodgers said:
Helle, Did you ever find out anymore information about the Mirena?
Does anyone know if it's worse for 0 RH- bloodtypes?
I'm looking for searchable facts...
No I've sorta given up. It seems that some women have no problems, while others have a LOT of problems with mirena.
I still have mine. Mostly because my only other alternative is sterilization, and allthough I don't want any more kids (I have 3), I'm just not ready to go there yet...
 
I also have it. And I have about 50% less hair than I did before! I had a ton though so i'm living with it. I choose not get my tubes tied because i know a lot of women that have horrible periods when they got older, like my age, I'm 46 now. To me it does seem that my body has tolerated this type of birth control better than anything else I've ever used, other than my hair following out of course.

I was curious if you knew what your blood type is?


Helle said:
LadyRodgers said:
Helle, Did you ever find out anymore information about the Mirena?
Does anyone know if it's worse for 0 RH- bloodtypes?
I'm looking for searchable facts...
No I've sorta given up. It seems that some women have no problems, while others have a LOT of problems with mirena.
I still have mine. Mostly because my only other alternative is sterilization, and allthough I don't want any more kids (I have 3), I'm just not ready to go there yet...
 
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