Missing time

[Alejo]

The reason I do not answer promptly is probably because of considerable time zone difference from Australia and wherever the posts are coming from. Secondly, I often only have less than half an hour time to spend on the forum and some of it is reading other posts, trying to keep up on something at least.

As for your hypothesis, no, I find none of this exiting or special or wanted. It concerns me to not remember something important when my daily functioning and work depends on my memory and attention to detail. A lot of people rely on me and I am tired but not enough to drop the ball just yet.

Well, perhaps that's the point of these experiences? High strangeness or not (and I'm not discounting them) perhaps the message is that you're too stressed out to an unhealthy degree?

High long lasting stress actually may hurt our brain and organs. This could cause gaps in awareness which to me is worrying enough without considering (and I can't be 100% sure it's not there) paranormal activity.

But I keep coming back to this idea of, regardless you should stop and do a check up of several systems within you home and body.

And in the case of and intrusion from other realities, as the C's have in numerous occasions. Knowledge protects, and what makes a difference is the application of such knowledge. Whether is high strangeness or stress getting the best of you, I think it's worth exploring those parts of yourself that might be a weakness or "point of attack" and address it. Don't you think?

I mean, if an alien comes and tries to grab me. I'd rather be healthy, full, and well rested and well aware of what might be used to cause me harm or confusion.

 

[msante]

What you describe does sound strange, especially the changed music on the children's toys and the lights and gadgets going on and off by themselves. It sure must be confusing and even scary. Yet I agree with Keit. Are there any explanations you haven't considered yet? Have you been under any sort of stress lately? How's your diet been? How has your sleep been? Your mental/emotional hygiene? How long since you've last done EE? Are you the only one who experienced the weird things about the toys, lights and gadgets, or has someone else witnessed them? Is there anything else along those lines that comes to mind that could possibly play a role?

Hi stellar, great advice was given to you. IMO you should check al least all and every item in Aiming post. Also I think that a simple question to answer would be if has someone else witnessed that weird events. I noticed that you do not answer yet what many members were asking. Maybe, and this is just an hypothesis, you are a little excited for the possibility of something weird happening in your life? I think that maybe it is the case because you seem to be ignoring some of the possibles earthly explanation that some members proposes here. I think that many times we can wait for this kind of exciting experiences because we feel that it is meaningful or indicative that we are on something trascendent and that if we caught the attention of hyperdimensionals frightening and evil beings we are on the right path. Maybe I'm running too fast here, but please, you think in that just as an hypothesis. Whether I am wrong or not, I think that you should check for earthly explanation first and to exprore your mental/emotional hygiene, IMO it will be helpful for you.

Thank you. Yes, good advice has been given and most of it resonates with what has already crossed my mind. And yes, other family members have witnessed these same events and like I said, without further clues it is not worth dwelling on.

The reason I do not answer promptly is probably because of considerable time zone difference from Australia and wherever the posts are coming from. Secondly, I often only have less than half an hour time to spend on the forum and some of it is reading other posts, trying to keep up on something at least.

As for your hypothesis, no, I find none of this exiting or special or wanted. It concerns me to not remember something important when my daily functioning and work depends on my memory and attention to detail. A lot of people rely on me and I am tired but not enough to drop the ball just yet.

Thanks for clarifications Stellar :)

To add to the weirdness, electronic and even battery operated gadgets and lights have been switching themselves on of their own accord. Children's musical toys have been playing tunes that are not even on the memory bank of that toy. And since last saturday I have had a headache the intermittently strikes me several times a day and then subsides. I saw a doctor who checked for ear infection and little else and called it tension headache. Prescribed some Brufen and come back in a week if it does not help.(???)

So I guess I just want to know why can't I remember what happened that night of the 19th October, if it's not too much trouble.

By your description, you think that something paranormal happened? Maybe it could be, if it was only the "waking up on the couch" event. But then you also describe other things, like changed music on your children's toys, that goes way beyond any "regular" paranormal or abduction event. Coupled with other things you describe, and if I were you, I would first exclude all the mundane explanations, such as health, memory and dissociation related possibilities.

I just know that all the other things are certainly strange but I don't dwell on them. If they are meant to be signs I am not clear on what they could be saying so I'm not even going to speculate.

I am taking reasonable care with my health in terms of diet although I have not taken supplements in months and EE has just been on the back burner, I have been so busy.

My eldest son and his young family are living with me for about a year since June while they are saving money and building a house. They take care of their own groceries and help out with extra utility costs quarterly. Love them to pieces, it's just that I now have a full house and not as much quiet and me time. That's ok, it's only for a while and for a good cause. They are loving and respectful. The children are 10 months and 2 1/2 years so they can be a handful but that's ok too.

Last christmas I lodged a claim for work injury and that has been and endless nightmare in dealing with the insurance people but I have a good atty so I'm handling it ok. Subsequently I had surgery on my hand in May and it has been steady and slow recovery but not complete yet. My back injury they are disputing and ignoring so therein lie the dramas. There is no surgery that can help so I will most likely resort to Keto diet again as opposed to my current paleo to deal with pain and inflammation like I did several years ago. I just won't be able to perform heavy physical and repetitive work.

I have many appointments to attend and details and events to remember and recall almost on a weekly basis. My 78 year old mother is battling with mildish dementia so she needs frequent visits from me. No-one else in the family will have a bar of her so I am all she has.

There is not a lot of time for dissociation as I am almost constantly on some task or other and have to stay on the ball. So that is why I find it so alarming and disturbing that I cannot recall how that one particular incident happened.

As for sleep, I could use more than six hours (at best) but then I would need a 26 hour day so I have to make do for now. Hopefully by xmas the court case will be finished and I can go away for a couple of days BY MYSELF just to breathe in peace and silence.

Well, it seems that you are under pressure now and going through stressful times. I am not an expert and sure others members here will can give you very good advices, but I think that you should focus on take care of you, your emotional health and your body too. I see that you take care of your loved ones, but I think that also a way of take care of them is taking care of you, even more if they depend of you in some way.

 

[Nienna]

I was wondering if you could clarify something?

That afternoon when my husband came home from work he at some point asked me how come I slept downstairs, thinking he was snoring again. I froze in my tracks and looked at him speechless. I didn't know what to answer.

You said that it's not unusual for you to go downstairs if your husband is snoring.

You woke up downstairs on the couch.

So why did you freeze in your tracks and look at him speechless and not know what to answer if you already knew that you woke up on the couch and that he knows that you go downstairs when he snores? What was so surprising to you?

I did not know WHY I was downstairs because I don't remember coming down, without my cigs, and I only remember getting sleepy the night before while I was still in bed. He was already asleep - not snoring at the time. I was shocked because this is something I would consciously remember and have an answer for. Also, I don't know why I didn't realise it in the morning and recall as I normally do. It's not normal for me to forget this, I was just hurrying to get ready for work.

Thank you for clarifying, stellar.

I certainly understand your confusion and questions about this. And, it really looks like you have a lot on your shoulders. Being stressed by all of this could lead to what happened; you are so tired that you did something without mentally acknowledging it. There could be something paranormal happening, but usually the simplest and most mundane reasons are what actually happened.

Hopefully, it won't happen again. If it does, let us know. Also, please take extra care of yourself, stellar. You are trying to handle so many things all at once you need to make time for yourself now and then.

 

[Ellipse]

On the evening of October 19th I went to bed in my upstairs room & while listening to a documentary fell asleep.I think it was probably before 10 o'clock. In the morning I woke up for work on the couch downstairs, a fair way from my bedroom and thought nothing of it.

When you woke-up, what was you clothes? Clothes you was wearing when you felt asleep?

Was you under the sheets/cover?

 

[hlat]

In the United States, there's a medical leave law that allows employees to take 12 weeks off for a serious health condition. All that's required is a doctor signing a form that says the employee needs time off for a serious health condition and the necessary dates off. The employee could also be eligible for short term disability benefits during the medical leave. If something similar is available to you in your country, it might be good for you. There's probably a doctor that would write that your serious health condition is stress.

My eldest son and his young family are living with me for about a year since June while they are saving money and building a house. They take care of their own groceries and help out with extra utility costs quarterly. Love them to pieces, it's just that I now have a full house and not as much quiet and me time. That's ok, it's only for a while and for a good cause. They are loving and respectful. The children are 10 months and 2 1/2 years so they can be a handful but that's ok too.

Last christmas I lodged a claim for work injury and that has been and endless nightmare in dealing with the insurance people but I have a good atty so I'm handling it ok. Subsequently I had surgery on my hand in May and it has been steady and slow recovery but not complete yet. My back injury they are disputing and ignoring so therein lie the dramas. There is no surgery that can help so I will most likely resort to Keto diet again as opposed to my current paleo to deal with pain and inflammation like I did several years ago. I just won't be able to perform heavy physical and repetitive work.

I have many appointments to attend and details and events to remember and recall almost on a weekly basis. My 78 year old mother is battling with mildish dementia so she needs frequent visits from me. No-one else in the family will have a bar of her so I am all she has.

There is not a lot of time for dissociation as I am almost constantly on some task or other and have to stay on the ball. So that is why I find it so alarming and disturbing that I cannot recall how that one particular incident happened.

As for sleep, I could use more than six hours (at best) but then I would need a 26 hour day so I have to make do for now. Hopefully by xmas the court case will be finished and I can go away for a couple of days BY MYSELF just to breathe in peace and silence.

 

[Konstantin]

I have one simmilar example steellar. Well, maybe its totaly different but I will write about that so you can have the informations.

It happened to me while I was in elementary school. About 12-13 years old.
It was summer and I was with a group of other kids and some teachers to a holiday to the beach. We were there for 10 days. One day we returned to the hotel for a lunch.After lunch we were at our rooms resting and then at 4 pm we were going to the beach again.

I remember that I went to a lunch and then I remember that it was very late afternoon and I was on the beach and sun was almost setting down

I could not remember those few hours. It was missing time for me . I asked teachers and other kids and they told me that I was very sleepy but that i walked all the way in a conscious condition.But I never remembered how i walked to the beach and how i ended there.

Later, maybe a few days later i remembered just one small glimpse of the image that I'm walking the street and that there are other kids around me. Just a tiny moment, a tiny glimpse in my memory. Those few hours are lost time for me.

The explanation of the teachers was that I was very tired so i slep very deep even I walked all the way and I was asleep.
Some of them said that i had some mild form of sunstroke . Who knows what was the true.
Maybe I was so tired that i felt in a very deep sleep.
I'm also a light sleeper but sometimes i can fall in a deep sleep especially when i feel emotionally tired.

You said that your house is full and that you always busy with some activity. So , maybe that day you fall in a sleep wich was deeper than usually.
But this will not explain the changed music on the toys.

I dont know what to say. Its very unusuall.

 

[stellar]

When you woke-up, what was you clothes? Clothes you was wearing when you felt asleep?

Was you under the sheets/cover?

Yes, I was wearing the same pyjamas and just had a small throw blanket over me which usually rests on that couch.

 

[stellar]

In the United States, there's a medical leave law that allows employees to take 12 weeks off for a serious health condition. All that's required is a doctor signing a form that says the employee needs time off for a serious health condition and the necessary dates off. The employee could also be eligible for short term disability benefits during the medical leave. If something similar is available to you in your country, it might be good for you. There's probably a doctor that would write that your serious health condition is stress.

I'm already on sick leave for a few months but the insurance insists that I work some 4 to 5 hours a day for work hardening purposes. It's an authoritarian game they play to intimidate the employee to leave and forfeit any payout. I'll just say they picked on the wrong person to do that to. I've been through far worse and have nothing to lose at this point. They on the other hand underestimated my stamina and determination and my atty. They will fold by xmas as they have no options left but to cut their losses and pay me out.

 

[stellar]

You said that your house is full and that you always busy with some activity. So , maybe that day you fall in a sleep wich was deeper than usually.
But this will not explain the changed music on the toys.

I dont know what to say. Its very unusuall.

Yes, I'm not sure what to make of it either. I think that if I were to believe in some outside influences being responsible it would be easier than to think that my own energies may be behind this and me not being aware of it.

Thank you everyone for your input and concern. I'll not post on this any further unless something significant happens as in the form of a plausible explanation.

 

[SevenFeathers]

stellar, I had a similar experience on October 18. I was on a road trip with my husband and we were on the road somewhere in West Virginia on an interstate highway. He was driving. I had awakened that day with the beginning of a cold, with sore throat and stuffy nose, so wasn't feeling well. During the drive, I told him, "I think I'll close my eyes for few minutes" and leaned over on my hand to nap. I, too, am a light sleeper and will wake during turns or stops when in a car. Also, I usually vividly dream even during short naps also. After a few minutes (I thought), I opened my eyes and asked him if he was OK (not drowsy) and he said, "I am NOW!" and went on to tell me we been through a terrible rainstorm with pounding rain, with the cars slowing and stopping on the side of the road. I asked him how long I had slept, and he said about 35-40 minutes. I was astounded that I had slept through all that noise as I usually would have been awakened by just the slightest slow down. I had felt I was only asleep for 5 minutes or so. I remembered no dream. The strange thing was that after I had awakened, I felt much better, with no cold symptoms anymore and I thought to myself, well wherever I was during that rainstorm, someone helped me with my cold. The symptoms came back later that day.

 

[stellar]

stellar, I had a similar experience on October 18. I was on a road trip with my husband and we were on the road somewhere in West Virginia on an interstate highway. He was driving. I had awakened that day with the beginning of a cold, with sore throat and stuffy nose, so wasn't feeling well. During the drive, I told him, "I think I'll close my eyes for few minutes" and leaned over on my hand to nap. I, too, am a light sleeper and will wake during turns or stops when in a car. Also, I usually vividly dream even during short naps also. After a few minutes (I thought), I opened my eyes and asked him if he was OK (not drowsy) and he said, "I am NOW!" and went on to tell me we been through a terrible rainstorm with pounding rain, with the cars slowing and stopping on the side of the road. I asked him how long I had slept, and he said about 35-40 minutes. I was astounded that I had slept through all that noise as I usually would have been awakened by just the slightest slow down. I had felt I was only asleep for 5 minutes or so. I remembered no dream. The strange thing was that after I had awakened, I felt much better, with no cold symptoms anymore and I thought to myself, well wherever I was during that rainstorm, someone helped me with my cold. The symptoms came back later that day.

Interestingly, I actually used a long youtube recording of thunderstorm with rain to help me sleep many times (before I had a full house, that is). It seems a little unnerving to think that one could be unknowingly so tired to sleep through something that would normally keep us awake.......or even navigating a steep awkward staircase ;D. I guess these experiences are the stuff that good twilight zone stories are made of.

 

[Ellipse]

When you woke-up, what was you clothes? Clothes you was wearing when you felt asleep?

Was you under the sheets/cover?

Yes, I was wearing the same pyjamas and just had a small throw blanket over me which usually rests on that couch.

So if you wake up with a cover the most likely is that you covered yourself. I don't think that such care would match with paranormal activity.

 

[Aiming]

I certainly understand your confusion and questions about this. And, it really looks like you have a lot on your shoulders. Being stressed by all of this could lead to what happened; you are so tired that you did something without mentally acknowledging it. There could be something paranormal happening, but usually the simplest and most mundane reasons are what actually happened.

Hopefully, it won't happen again. If it does, let us know. Also, please take extra care of yourself, stellar. You are trying to handle so many things all at once you need to make time for yourself now and then.

I'd like to second this, stellar. Thanks for sharing more of what's been going on for you in the background. Going with the most mundane explanation, as well as finding ways to alleviate your various sources of stress, looks like the way to focus on. You've definitely got lots on your plate and I hope you're taking good care of yourself, too. Don't hesitate to network further if you need feedback or just a listening ear.

 

[Keit]

I asked him how long I had slept, and he said about 35-40 minutes. I was astounded that I had slept through all that noise as I usually would have been awakened by just the slightest slow down. I had felt I was only asleep for 5 minutes or so. I remembered no dream. The strange thing was that after I had awakened, I felt much better, with no cold symptoms anymore and I thought to myself, well wherever I was during that rainstorm, someone helped me with my cold. The symptoms came back later that day.

Some time ago I read somewhere that while we are asleep some part of our brain still remains awake. And this part is the one that wakes us up in case of an emergency or something extraordinary. But it screens out anything else. Like for example, if you are a light sleeper, you may still not wake up from any single noise (like dogs barking outside, someone in the house going to the bathroom, etc.), but only those that your brain isn't used to.

So perhaps in your case your brain allowed your body to rest by filtering out things that are not really worth waking up to. Today I also saw the following article on SOTT, that talk about the same idea. It could also explain how sometimes we can do things in a semi-asleep state and don't remember them afterwards.

For example, when we are sick we usually lack appetite. It can be explained as body's natural reaction, since it need all the energy and resources for fighting off the disease. The same with sleep. If we are tired and require rest, sometimes our body will decide for us and will enter deeper states of relaxation than we would usually allow ourselves to do.

I also would like to share a personal story. A week or so ago I did a laundry and put clothes on the string on the balcony to dry. Couple of days after on the windy day I took the clothes off, and then noticed that one big and warm sock was missing. After looking everywhere on the balcony, it still wasn't there. Then I thought that it fell out due to the wind. But then, couldn't find it on the ground either. Well, the sock was gone, and that was it.

But then, several minutes after I looked out the window again and saw the sock on the string, right in the middle of it! Well, that was amazing. Obviously, I even considered a paranormal explanation for a second or two. ;) But then, I remembered about this experiment (no spoilers, in case you are not familiar with it), and realized that my brain somehow filtered the sock out, and I haven't noticed it, even if actually searched for it. For some reason it became a blind spot of sorts. Something I find both fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

Anyways, it just shows how some things we may consider as strange could have "mundane" explanations. At the same time it doesn't mean that there isn't a "paranormal" aspect to it as well. After all, remember how the C's or John Keel said that there are things that are happening around us all the time, we just fail to notice them for various reasons? I think that in such case the most practical thing we can do, is work on ourselves and keep thousand eyes open. It is a good advice for any situation.

 

[lainey]

I also would like to share a personal story. A week or so ago I did a laundry and put clothes on the string on the balcony to dry. Couple of days after on the windy day I took the clothes off, and then noticed that one big and warm sock was missing. After looking everywhere on the balcony, it still wasn't there. Then I thought that it fell out due to the wind. But then, couldn't find it on the ground either. Well, the sock was gone, and that was it.

But then, several minutes after I looked out the window again and saw the sock on the string, right in the middle of it! Well, that was amazing. Obviously, I even considered a paranormal explanation for a second or two. ;) But then, I remembered about this experiment (no spoilers, in case you are not familiar with it), and realized that my brain somehow filtered the sock out, and I haven't noticed it, even if actually searched for it. For some reason it became a blind spot of sorts. Something I find both fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

I had a similar experience today. I was sitting on a sofa in college and in my line of view was a door leading to the passage behind the classrooms. The door had a long thin window on it. I was looking at it and wondered why they had covered the glass with a piece of dark grey card so people couldn't see into the passage; the whole window was blanked out.
It wasn't until a cleaner with a bright blue trolley full of towels went through the door and I saw her on the other side, through the glass, that I realised that the grey card was, in fact, a grey pillar a little further up the corridor. Not only that but the pillar had an A4 mulitcoloured poster with a white background on it, directly placed so you could see it through the glass. When my mind believed that the glass was blanked out with card, the bright, large and blatantly obvious poster simply was not there. :O I guess that's similar to when witness statements at crime scenes are wildly different; people simply see different things or do not see things at all. It's a little troubling.